Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 5

Continued From Part 4: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/how-would-you-rate-daniel-andrews-performance-as-victorian-premier-part-4.1257360/

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[Doss]

Once the vaccines are available, whose responsibility is it to facilitate the injections?

The federal government and those who they contract to do it. Stop trying to pass the buck.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

The federal government and those who they contract to do it. Stop trying to pass the buck.

Are you sure about this? Do the Feds have a separate army of health workers in Victoria administering (or not) vaccines to the disability sector? I’ll happily stand corrected if this is the case.

 

[Nikita Blue]

 

[Rob R]

He’s looking forward to getting back and getting things done! Because, you know, Merlino and the others have been doing sweet FA.

I wonder what “things” he’s going to do

Take credit for Merlino's work will be his first order of business.

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[Crankyhawk]

“The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”

Just like the claim that the vulnerable have had opportunity to get vaccinated when it is health care Australia (federal body) arsing up aged care vaccination, very few disability patients or carers having had one jab let alone two.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Once the vaccines are available, whose responsibility is it to facilitate the injections?

Given that federals have all been about using GP to deliver injections that’s still federal government

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Are you sure about this? Do the Feds have a separate army of health workers in Victoria administering (or not) vaccines to the disability sector? I’ll happily stand corrected if this is the case.

The feds have employed a private contractor to deliver injections to the aged care and residential disability sector. The issues have been (1) lack of resourcing means that visit schedules have frequently changed (inc at incredibly short notice), and (2) a centre only gets two visits.

if you're not injected for the two visits its assumed you have declined to be injected. The issue is if residents miss because they are out of the home at the times of the two visits, or they have a medical issue which precludes injection at the time (ie recent flu injection, cancer treatment, etc), they miss entirely. Also workers were not budgeted for in this, and were only being injected if surplus vaccine was left over. Otherwise it was expected that they would take time off and get injected at a GP in their own time.

Disability seemed to have been forgotten due to the prioritization of aged care (and the issues being had there). This has changed recently, with firms with experience specifically in the disability sector (such as Life Without Barriers) now being contracted to distribute the vaccine in select disability hubs in NSW and VIC (may be other states, but those are the two ive been focused on). This is for both SIL residents and staff.

The rest of the fed program was the GP network program, but that has also had issues. The problem is GP's dont get long term visibility on when they will receive vaccine. So initially (when demand was high) they were receiving bookings months out, but no stock arrived on time. Now with AZ concerns, wastage is rising and some docs are dropping out. Underline that GP's can only administer AZ, not pfizer.



The states have intervened in two ways. Due to the issues with the federal GP rollout, states like NSW and Vic have set up vaccination hubs, where mass bookings are taken and both AZ and pfizer are offered The second was is (i think) only in Vic, and in response to the issue you raised. This involves all aged care and disability workers got priority access at a number of the Vic govt mass injection centres for one week. This was to try and break the logjam of unvaccinated staff in those sectors.

The state hubs are being run (in victoria anyway) by the local hospital networks (and some private hospital networks). For example, Western Health runs the Showgrounds centre, Monash Health the Sandown Racecourse one, St. Vincents the Exhibition Centre hub, and Royal Melbourne the MCEC one. As such, its a completely different labour provider to the feds.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Just like the claim that the vulnerable have had opportunity to get vaccinated when it is health care Australia (federal body) arsing up aged care vaccination, very few disability patients or carers having had one jab let alone two.

HCA is a private company, not a federal body. They traditionally provide contract health staffing solutions

 

[The Passenger]

God I'm jealous of you guys back home. Obviously last year's three month lock down in Melbourne was brutal, but outside of that its been short and sharp.

Another two weeks quickly done.

Compare here to the UK, which has been a complete cluster ****. 15 months of a semi lockdown, which has gone nowhere.

Not Melbourne now, but it was till a few weeks ago and will be again soon...
.Everytime I see a big crowd at the football I cry into John Smith's. We had 20k at the FA Cup final and that's been about it. Last two rounds of premier league games also got 10k. Go team UK!!

 

[campbell]

HCA is a private company, not a federal body. They traditionally provide contract health staffing solutions

They are one of four contracted by Fed Government to do aged and disability.

A total logistical nightmare, by the Feds.

 

[andrewmillman]

God I'm jealous of you guys back home. Obviously last year's three month lock down in Melbourne was brutal, but outside of that its been short and sharp.

Another two weeks quickly done.

Compare here to the UK, which has been a complete cluster fu**. 15 months of a semi lockdown, which has gone nowhere.

Not Melbourne now, but it was till a few weeks ago and will be again soon...
.Everytime I see a big crowd at the football I cry into John Smith's. We had 20k at the FA Cup final and that's been about it. Last two rounds of premier league games also got 10k. Go team UK!!

Cricket crowds at birmingham been substantial. 18k per day.

You guys actually are having bigger crowds than us, despite our 2 week lockdown "ending".

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

The feds have employed a private contractor to deliver injections to the aged care and residential disability sector. The issues have been (1) lack of resourcing means that visit schedules have frequently changed (inc at incredibly short notice), and (2) a centre only gets two visits.

if you're not injected for the two visits its assumed you have declined to be injected. The issue is if residents miss because they are out of the home at the times of the two visits, or they have a medical issue which precludes injection at the time (ie recent flu injection, cancer treatment, etc), they miss entirely. Also workers were not budgeted for in this, and were only being injected if surplus vaccine was left over. Otherwise it was expected that they would take time off and get injected at a GP in their own time.

Disability seemed to have been forgotten due to the prioritization of aged care (and the issues being had there). This has changed recently, with firms with experience specifically in the disability sector (such as Life Without Barriers) now being contracted to distribute the vaccine in select disability hubs in NSW and VIC (may be other states, but those are the two ive been focused on). This is for both SIL residents and staff.

The rest of the fed program was the GP network program, but that has also had issues. The problem is GP's dont get long term visibility on when they will receive vaccine. So initially (when demand was high) they were receiving bookings months out, but no stock arrived on time. Now with AZ concerns, wastage is rising and some docs are dropping out. Underline that GP's can only administer AZ, not pfizer.



The states have intervened in two ways. Due to the issues with the federal GP rollout, states like NSW and Vic have set up vaccination hubs, where mass bookings are taken and both AZ and pfizer are offered The second was is (i think) only in Vic, and in response to the issue you raised. This involves all aged care and disability workers got priority access at a number of the Vic govt mass injection centres for one week. This was to try and break the logjam of unvaccinated staff in those sectors.

The state hubs are being run (in victoria anyway) by the local hospital networks (and some private hospital networks). For example, Western Health runs the Showgrounds centre, Monash Health the Sandown Racecourse one, St. Vincents the Exhibition Centre hub, and Royal Melbourne the MCEC one. As such, its a completely different labour provider to the feds.

Ok I stand corrected. So, in, say, 4 weeks can we call time on lockdowns and quarantine? Once we’ve vaccinated the elderly and disabled?

 

[Deliverance]

Not Melbourne now, but it was till a few weeks ago and will be again soon...
.Everytime I see a big crowd at the football I cry into John Smith's. We had 20k at the FA Cup final and that's been about it. Last two rounds of premier league games also got 10k. Go team UK!!

I thought you guys had sorted your vaccine rollout. We're ****ed if the vaccine isn't going to fix it.

 

[cartwright]

 

[andrewmillman]

Its the front yard of his house as per the address leaked last year. (house behind him matches)
Its interesting that he still lives there, kind of expected he would have been moved after last years issues.

 

[The Passenger]

Cricket crowds at birmingham been substantial. 18k per day.

You guys actually are having bigger crowds than us, despite our 2 week lockdown "ending".

Just a mere 8 months after 29K walked into the Gabba for the AFL Grand final.

6 months after 27k came to the boxing day test.

And in between a number of very healthy crowds at various events. For instance west coast have played in front of three 40k crowds this year.

Since March 2020 there have been two weeks of crowds in the English Premier league. All capped at 10,000. The FA cup was allowed 20K. No other premier league games have had crowds.

So before talking about "bigger crowds" on a one off weekend, maybe have a look at the overall picture and get an actual clue.

Back home in Oz has dominated the UK for sporting crowds through the pandemic.

 

[andrewmillman]

Just a mere 8 months after 29K walked into the Gabba for the AFL Grand final.

6 months after 27k came to the boxing day test.

And in between a number of very healthy crowds at various events. For instance west coast have played in front of three 40k crowds this year.

Since March 2020 there have been two weeks of crowds in the English Premier league. All capped at 10,000. The FA cup was allowed 20K. No other premier league games have had crowds.

So before talking about "bigger crowds" on a one off weekend, maybe have a look at the overall picture and get an actual clue.

Back home in Oz has dominated the UK for sporting crowds through the pandemic.

Your crowds are more impressive imo- because they are sustainable/ possible through vaccination etc.

We are still in the twilight zone of relying on border closures to stay zero covid - our success is a temporary mirage.

 

[Nikita Blue]

Dan's first press conference entrance:

 

[William Wonka]

Oh boy oh boy oh boy!

 

[The Passenger]

Your crowds are more impressive imo- because they are sustainable/ possible through vaccination etc.

We are still in the twilight zone of relying on border closures to stay zero covid - our success is a temporary mirage.

Australia will eventually sort out it's vaccine roll out. We are too rich not too.

UK was always gonna get hit early due to London being a huge travel hub. But once it overcame the initial wave, it never used it's natural geographic defences the way Australia and NZ did. Plus half assed and confused internal measures just left us in no man's land here. Whereas Oz, although strict, just got on top of it and you guys seem to largely living normal outside of not being able to leave the country (but no other countries can anyway).

UK's crowds are sustainable, but Australia will get back to those levels again, and - as above - the vaccine roll out will come good and you'll be sweet. Might take a few months longer than here, but you'll still be a loooong way in front.

If Australia is sitting on like 40% vaccination rate this time next year and still in and out of lock downs, then we can chat (assuming UK has found it's way into the clear).

You can't compare the ineptitude of the UK response, in comparison to Australia. To co-opt Jules Winfield ain't the same ****in' ballpark. It ain't the same league, it ain't even the same ****in' sport.

I thought you guys had sorted your vaccine rollout. We're f’ed if the vaccine isn't going to fix it.

Yep vaccine rollout has been good, but it's a bit like Port Adelaide kicking three late goals in the 2007 Grand final.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Andrews government secretly negotiating permanent pandemic laws to replace state of emergency

Health Department officials have been meeting with three powerful crossbenchers whose demands are set to radically change the way the government manages COVID-19.

amp.theage.com.au

Conspiracy theories?

 

[Deliverance]

Australia will eventually sort out it's vaccine roll out. We are too rich not too.

UK was always gonna get hit early due to London being a huge travel hub. But once it overcame the initial wave, it never used it's natural geographic defences the way Australia and NZ did. Plus half assed and confused internal measures just left us in no man's land here. Whereas Oz, although strict, just got on top of it and you guys seem to largely living normal outside of not being able to leave the country (but no other countries can anyway).

UK's crowds are sustainable, but Australia will get back to those levels again, and - as above - the vaccine roll out will come good and you'll be sweet. Might take a few months longer than here, but you'll still be a loooong way in front.

If Australia is sitting on like 40% vaccination rate this time next year and still in and out of lock downs, then we can chat (assuming UK has found it's way into the clear).

You can't compare the ineptitude of the UK response, in comparison to Australia. To co-opt Jules Winfield ain't the same fu**in' ballpark. It ain't the same league, it ain't even the same fu**in' sport.

Yep vaccine rollout has been good, but it's a bit like Port Adelaide kicking three late goals in the 2007 Grand final.

We feel like the match hasn't started yet in Oz.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Ok I stand corrected. So, in, say, 4 weeks can we call time on lockdowns and quarantine? Once we’ve vaccinated the elderly and disabled?

it will take longer than 4 weeks. At the start of May, 6 (literally six) SIL residents in SA was all that had been vaccinated in SA

Last numbers I saw were around 3% nationally (although i havent seen a recent update)

staff for both has a lot of catch up to do, esp as many can only get pfizer

my gut is it will take 3 months at least to do it

 

[Crankyhawk]

Ok I stand corrected. So, in, say, 4 weeks can we call time on lockdowns and quarantine? Once we’ve vaccinated the elderly and disabled?

Tricky. While I would like to agree with that approach, I think that patients are not considered "fully vaccinated" until x2 vaccines are given, and for AZ that is 12 week gap.

 

[campbell]

Cricket crowds at birmingham been substantial. 18k per day.

You guys actually are having bigger crowds than us, despite our 2 week lockdown "ending".

We have full crowds for everything up here...