Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 5

Continued From Part 4: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/how-would-you-rate-daniel-andrews-performance-as-victorian-premier-part-4.1257360/

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[andrewmillman]

Do you have evidence that his family were in Queensland?

Secondary evidence yeah

 

[Crankyhawk]

It was time limited, once. And then it was extended. And then extended again. Parliament does have the ability to put a stop to that charade, it's probably why the proposed legislation exists in the first place.

But I'd much rather the powers dealt by legislation, and amended down the track by some other government (which considering we are talking about powers, will never happen anyway.)

and thats what I would be worried about if there was permanent powers that a future government would misuse; thats why a situation where parilment has to vote each time to extend and justify why is preferable IMO

 

[campbell]

Secondary evidence yeah

what secondary evidence?

Did it come to you in a dream?

 

[tandino]

and thats what I would be worried about if there was permanent powers that a future government would misuse; thats why a situation where parilment has to vote each time to extend and justify why is preferable IMO

I don't necessarily disagree.

 

[adogsfan5]

Disturbing result of Victorian lockdowns

Attempted suicide rates among Victorian teenagers have skyrocketed by 184 per cent in the past six months.

www.news.com.au

At what point do we need to allow a few hospital Covid cases in order to prevent suicide? Or are the numbers still made up and exaggerated?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Disturbing result of Victorian lockdowns

Attempted suicide rates among Victorian teenagers have skyrocketed by 184 per cent in the past six months.

www.news.com.au

At what point do we need to allow a few hospital Covid cases in order to prevent suicide? Or are the numbers still made up and exaggerated?

those numbers, are they number of attempts or numbers of individual patients affected (being aware of a few young people who were already at the high end of calls/ attempts now presenting daily/ multiple times a day but would not affect the raw numbers of people affected)

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

thats idiotic

the main driver has been gen x. at the state centres half of the injections given (last i heard) were pfizer, which is only available for 40-49. thats where the uplift is coming from. boomers are still following Hunt's advice, and waiting for pfizer at the end of the year because its not a race.

and Anna didnt help matters with her bullshit last week of delaying her vaccination so long she was forced to get pfizer (way to sell the safety of AZ Anna)

What’s idiotic?

Having just emerged from 48 hours of AZ side effects, combined with the 18 months of lies from our scientists (or at least their spokespersons) doubts around the vaccines are not unreasonable. Particularly absent certainty around removal of restrictions.

Couldn’t they just say “ok, we hit 80% vaccinated we open”. And that’s it. No more bullshit. No more lockdowns. No more masks.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Having just emerged from 48 hours of AZ side effects, combined with the 18 months of lies from our scientists (or at least their spokespersons) doubts around the vaccines are not unreasonable. Particularly absent certainty around removal of restrictions.

Couldn’t they just say “ok, we hit 80% vaccinated we open”. And that’s it. No more bullshit. No more lockdowns. No more masks.

Noone ever said the vaccine had no side effects. Heck, you can get knocked around with the flu vax.

What happens is risk is managed. If you have health issues that mean az isn't good for you, you don't get it. Thats why the gp or nurse spends several minutes asking you questions and making sure you aren't a high risk candidate.

As someone who had Pfizer I can tell you that pretty much had me on a couch for the entire weekend.

Education is supposed to be about informing, not scaremongering. The govt messaging has improved, but it did allow tabloid media to fill the gap for a couple or months (they basically stopped most media after initial launch for some baffling reason).

We can't wind back the clock, so we need to work with our combined approach. Personally I'd do the following:

1) anyone who has a vaccine will have any side effects covered 100% my Medicare - no gap or co-pay.

2) anyone who wants to get a gp consultation in advance to ensure they have no risk issues for either vaccine can have one bulk billed entirely. Combine this with a health check (which most fail to do), and you're killing two birds with one stone.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Noone ever said the vaccine had no side effects. Heck, you can get knocked around with the flu vax.

What happens is risk is managed. If you have health issues that mean az isn't good for you, you don't get it. Thats why the gp or nurse spends several minutes asking you questions and making sure you aren't a high risk candidate.

As someone who had Pfizer I can tell you that pretty much had me on a couch for the entire weekend.

Education is supposed to be about informing, not scaremongering. The govt messaging has improved, but it did allow tabloid media to fill the gap for a couple or months (they basically stopped most media after initial launch for some baffling reason).

We can't wind back the clock, so we need to work with our combined approach. Personally I'd do the following:

1) anyone who has a vaccine will have any side effects covered 100% my Medicare - no gap or co-pay.

2) anyone who wants to get a gp consultation in advance to ensure they have no risk issues for either vaccine can have one bulk billed entirely. Combine this with a health check (which most fail to do), and you're killing two birds with one stone.

Ok. So you’ve sidestepped the trust issue.

So about the deadline for opening up.

Maybe put it another way. “Citizens, we want big crowds at the Melbourne Cup, you have until 31 October to get vaccinated, then we’re open.”

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Ok. So you’ve sidestepped the trust issue.

So about the deadline for opening up.

Maybe put it another way. “Citizens, we want big crowds at the Melbourne Cup, you have until 31 October to get vaccinated, then we’re open.”

Bullshit.

On trust you have to build it. The feds going mute didn't help, the tabloids fuelled the fear campaign. My two proposals are 100% about building trust and confidence for people to get jabbed. They won't trust media or govt on this, so get them talking to a gp they trust without fear of a bill.

On timing, that doesn't work. It's not just how many are vaccinated, it's who is vaccinated, and where they are. Jack shit is happening until frontline workers, meat workers, transport workers, and teachers are all done. Right now we are barely into aged care workers

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Bullshit.

On trust you have to build it. The feds going mute didn't help, the tabloids fuelled the fear campaign. My two proposals are 100% about building trust and confidence for people to get jabbed. They won't trust media or govt on this, so get them talking to a gp they trust without fear of a bill.

On timing, that doesn't work. It's not just how many are vaccinated, it's who is vaccinated, and where they are. Jack sh*t is happening until frontline workers, meat workers, transport workers, and teachers are all done. Right now we are barely into aged care workers

Ok. All “vulnerable groups” then.

Im only just “vulnerable”. And got in in a week.

Why are you so desperate to keep the foot on the throat?

On trust, might it have helped if DD hadn’t bullshitted his way through the inquiry?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Ok. All “vulnerable groups” then.

Im only just “vulnerable”. And got in in a week.

Why are you so desperate to keep the foot on the throat?

Because if everyone waits for Pfizer it means ongoing state border lockdowns and ongoing restrictions every time we get any leaks from HQ.

Govt is already saying no international travel till 2023, so you can add another year to that too

edit: and for the 10th time, I would have had az. I have no concerns about the risks, and I think it's the more tried and tested vaccine

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Disturbing result of Victorian lockdowns

Attempted suicide rates among Victorian teenagers have skyrocketed by 184 per cent in the past six months.

www.news.com.au

At what point do we need to allow a few hospital Covid cases in order to prevent suicide? Or are the numbers still made up and exaggerated?

Past 6 months Melbourne was not in lockdown outside of around 3 weeks.

News corp up to their bullshit tricks

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Past 6 months Melbourne was not in lockdown outside of around 3 weeks.

News corp up to their bullshit tricks

To what might you attribute the sharp increase?

My theory would be (and it’s an uninformed one) a sharp increase in time spent online following habits formed last year.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

To what might you attribute the sharp increase?

My theory would be (and it’s an uninformed one) a sharp increase in time spent online following habits formed last year.

Since it was when things were back to normal it could be due to going back into public situations and maybe they preferred isolation.

But saying lockdowns are to blame is not "news" it is propaganda at best, lying bullshit at worst.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Since it was when things were back to normal it could be due to going back into public situations and maybe they preferred isolation.

But saying lockdowns are to blame is not "news" it is propaganda at best, lying bullshit at worst.

Did you read the article?

Check the bit about child abuse.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Did you read the article?

Check the bit about child abuse.

I don't read gutter trash "press"

The click bait headline is already wrong and enacts an emotive response which has already happened.

Manufacturing Consent 101.

 

[adogsfan5]

I don't read gutter trash "press"

What makes it gutter trash? Do you not like the data?

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

What makes it gutter trash? Do you not like the data?

Did you actually read your own link? Read them then Think about it long and hard.

"DISTUBRBING RESULT OF VICTORIAN LOCKDOWNS"

Attempted suicides has increased in the last 6 months (when we were not in lockdown but back open)

So Lockdowns caused an increase in attempts despite not being in Lockdown for most of this year (AKA Past 6 months)

Gutter trash press from a traitor to this land and his media company.

 

[Evolved1]

And everyone single one of them is breaking the law.

For not wearing a mask outdoors? Nobody gives a shit.

Have you ever done 41kph in a school zone?

 

[Senor M]

Disturbing result of Victorian lockdowns

Attempted suicide rates among Victorian teenagers have skyrocketed by 184 per cent in the past six months.

www.news.com.au

At what point do we need to allow a few hospital Covid cases in order to prevent suicide? Or are the numbers still made up and exaggerated?

Based off the information provided in the news article ( I can't seem to find the original report) the data is from December 1st 2020 to May 31st 2021. The majority of that time Victoria was open.

Based off my information the increase for these calls would include:

• Higher awareness of Kids Help Line as a resource for youth as it was regularly shared by schools & teachers in 2020 (as an alternative for conversations that may've normally happened at school)
• Anxiety & Stress regarding "returning" to a COVID normal world, especially during the three separate education periods in that time (Dec 2020, Feb 2021 (twice)) where face masks were required in the classroom. The rules regarding masks in class changed four days for Victorian students in the first 6 weeks of Term 1.
• Anxiety & Stress related to the "rules" of returning to the classroom. Speak to any teenager & ask their opinions on school uniforms and the mobile phone ban in classrooms. Young people became more comfortable with learning from home last year without these rules that are now put in place.

This sharp spike is related to the post-COVID lag rather than Lockdown 4.0--- you just need to look at the whole article beyond the clickbait headline.

 

[adogsfan5]

Did you actually read your own link? Read them then Think about it long and hard.

"DISTUBRBING RESULT OF VICTORIAN LOCKDOWNS"

Attempted suicides has increased in the last 6 months (when we were not in lockdown but back open)

So Lockdowns caused an increase in attempts despite not being in Lockdown for most of this year (AKA Past 6 months)

Gutter trash press from a traitor to this land and his media company.

We still had restrictions last December. Data is from December 1st. If you think this government is handling mental health well, you’re delusional. Bold text below is enough for me.


“Kids Helpline counsellors understood that many households had become particularly tense during lockdown.

“Where schools and other community connections may have previously played a role supporting young people at risk of abuse, the extended lockdowns and home schooling may have led to an increase in young people seeking support from us.”


Lockdowns in Melbourne fuelled the crisis for children, with duty of care interventions soaring 48 per cent last year, compared to 2019.

During the second lockdown, from July to September, referrals to police, ambulance and Child Safety for children “at imminent risk of serious harm’’ were 46 per cent higher than in the previous three months.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

For not wearing a mask outdoors? Nobody gives a sh*t.

Have you ever done 41kph in a school zone?

you may wanna steer clear of the camera at warrigal road and bateford road - 40 zone 8am-8pm, at the bottom of a hill, and the thing is friggin deadly (number one tin rattler in the state)

 

[Evolved1]

Just a mere 8 months after 29K walked into the Gabba for the AFL Grand final.

6 months after 27k came to the boxing day test.

And in between a number of very healthy crowds at various events. For instance west coast have played in front of three 40k crowds this year.

Since March 2020 there have been two weeks of crowds in the English Premier league. All capped at 10,000. The FA cup was allowed 20K. No other premier league games have had crowds.

So before talking about "bigger crowds" on a one off weekend, maybe have a look at the overall picture and get an actual clue.

Back home in Oz has dominated the UK for sporting crowds through the pandemic.

The only relevant comparison in Australia is state vs state. Comparing Victoria to the UK is ridiculous.

 

[QuietB]

Disturbing result of Victorian lockdowns

Attempted suicide rates among Victorian teenagers have skyrocketed by 184 per cent in the past six months.

www.news.com.au

At what point do we need to allow a few hospital Covid cases in order to prevent suicide? Or are the numbers still made up and exaggerated?

1/ What are the mental health stats in countries/cities with huge outbreaks?

2/ Maybe get Morrison to actually do his job and get the states to agree national standards on border closures/border openings/lockdowns/vaccinations etc.

Victoria cannot exist in a silo