Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 5

Continued From Part 4: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/how-would-you-rate-daniel-andrews-performance-as-victorian-premier-part-4.1257360/

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[swingdog]

Question borne of genuine ignorance - NSW are using hotels still, right? If so, why are the problems that are occurring in Victoria not happening there?

I'd break it into two parts.

The first part: is hotel quarantine increasing transmission within hotels (i.e. some guests who did not have Covid beforehand are contracting it as a result of being in hotel quarantine)?

That obviously increases the overall level of risk (i.e. guests could test positive up until the time they leave, but have actually contracted the virus just before they leave - positive results can not show up until 7/8 days after contracting).

The second part is the issue of staff catching it and taking it out into the community - transmission likelihood is also increased. That can be managed but so far SA, NSW, QLD, WA and VIC have all had spot outbreaks as a result of staff in hotel quarantine.

There's a third part which is how well are a state's contact tracers staying on top of outbreaks, which is where Victoria has fallen short with this latest outbreak. Having said that, if they stop lockdown after 5 days, it will have been the same outcome as other states albeit with higher numbers than WA, SA and QLD.

 

[FIGJAM]

My understanding is the outdoor lifestyle and summer weather helps prevent the spread (more Vitamin D and all that).

It's helpful, but Smile Buffalo was during the summer. You seem to need to be in close confines for a long enough with someone with a significant enough viral load to get it. The fact that the family function in Coburg hasn't blown up is a real plus (touch wood!).

 

[Kwality]

Election is over a year away and have a look at what the LNP is putting up. They'd have to pull a pretty big rabbit out of their hat to convince us that James Newbury and Tim Smith could do a better job of anything.

Classic case of the Govt that becomes unelectable (see Turnbull) but still wins.

 

[swingdog]

My understanding is the outdoor lifestyle and summer weather helps prevent the spread (more Vitamin D and all that).

The other factor seems to be how active these people are. I look at the hotspot places visited by the first person in the outbreak (3 supermarkets in one day?) and think "this person is way more active and mobile than I am."

Sure, I am a grumpy old bastard, but I do think there's an element of states can get lucky (this seemed to be the case in Queensland) and the person has limited social contact. Victorian HQ staff seem to finish their shifts and think "right, time to drive all over Melbourne."

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

WA and Qld didn't even spread to close contacts
Australia Open worker case didn't spread and then this Holiday Inn cluster has spread less in the 1st week prior to lockdown than the Black Rock cluster

Maybe Australian conditions are condusive to it not spreading as easily

Qld did, she gave it to her husband, but that was it.

 

[FIGJAM]

The fact that the family function in Coburg hasn't blown up is a real plus (touch wood!).

One extra from this function. Tested negative and now a positive. Re-testing everyone at this joint.

 

[HairyO]

The other factor seems to be how active these people are. I look at the hotspot places visited by the first person in the outbreak (3 supermarkets in one day?) and think "this person is way more active and mobile than I am."

Sure, I am a grumpy old bastard, but I do think there's an element of states can get lucky (this seemed to be the case in Queensland) and the person has limited social contact. Victorian HQ staff seem to finish their shifts and think "right, time to drive all over Melbourne."

We had one that was 2 RSLs, a TAB, and 2 or 3 pubs in the space of 2 days.

 

[Magnum27]

From twitter , surely they can have a better set up to protect peoples privacy rather than a garbage bag, maybe some big screens instead. People have the right to privacy

 

[Magnum27]

The other factor seems to be how active these people are. I look at the hotspot places visited by the first person in the outbreak (3 supermarkets in one day?) and think "this person is way more active and mobile than I am."

Sure, I am a grumpy old bastard, but I do think there's an element of states can get lucky (this seemed to be the case in Queensland) and the person has limited social contact. Victorian HQ staff seem to finish their shifts and think "right, time to drive all over Melbourne."

Same here, i can't believe how many places visit in a day, just shows how boring my life is

 

[swingdog]

We had one that was 2 RSLs, a TAB, and 2 or 3 pubs in the space of 2 days.

Now THAT'S the kind of person you want working in a medically sensitive environment!

 

[swingdog]

Same here, i can't believe how many places visit in a day, just shows how boring my life is

I know. I walk the dog and think I've had a big day out. To be fair, so does the dog.

 

[romeohwho]

Looks pretty likely they will set up a remote quarantine centre and that’s a good thing.

 

[Magnum27]

Looks pretty likely they will set up a remote quarantine centre and that’s a good thing.

Crazy that it hasn't been in the planning from at least half way through last year. This may not be the last pandemic we have in our life times.

 

[cartwright]

Crazy that it hasn't been in the planning from at least half way through last year. This may not be the last pandemic we have in our life times.

yep, it looks like it is going to be left to the states. Whatever, as long as it gets done.
When questioned on the cost Andrews did mention it could be used for a while

 

[MarcMaverick]

This room is full of crazies

The only ones who are crazy are you for following **** you dandmeic and kissing his arse.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Same here, i can't believe how many places visit in a day, just shows how boring my life is

I was surprised how different people are city to city.

I'm Melbourne we used to go out, pretty much from Frankston up to South Yarra and StKilda (and everything in between) for shopping, dining, and pubs/clubs

Sydney was the exact opposite I found, and people stayed mostly in their local area.

After living up there, I do understand why. Sydney is a bitch to drive around. After two weeks I pretty much stuck to the Hills district. It sucked, but it was better than driving (or god forbid taking the bus, hated them something bad)

 

[romeohwho]

Crazy that it hasn't been in the planning from at least half way through last year. This may not be the last pandemic we have in our life times.

Agree. Heard some pretty convincing “expert’ a few days ago who says it’s just luck we haven’t had more already and that it will become more common because of high population density and demand for certain types of food.
And yep, in hindsight they should have looked at the remote centres earlier.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Agree. Heard some pretty convincing “expert’ a few days ago who says it’s just luck we haven’t had more already and that it will become more common because of high population density and demand for certain types of food.
And yep, in hindsight they should have looked at the remote centres earlier.

Nationals are your issue there.

My family is in regional Vic, and the shit they are saying about remote quarantine being in their areas is pretty aggressive

I'd imagine it's worse in Qld and NSW (just because nationals are stronger up there, and well, Queensland)

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

The only ones who are crazy are you for following fu** you dandmeic and kissing his arse.

You're one of the crazies.

 

[romeohwho]

Nationals are your issue there.

My family is in regional Vic, and the sh*t they are saying about remote quarantine being in their areas is pretty aggressive

I'd imagine it's worse in Qld and NSW (just because nationals are stronger up there, and well, Queensland)

They mentioned setting them near Avalon, or even Tullamarine -which all seems sensible to me -near airports and plenty of space and not offending regionals.

 

[Magnum27]

Nationals are your issue there.

My family is in regional Vic, and the sh*t they are saying about remote quarantine being in their areas is pretty aggressive

I'd imagine it's worse in Qld and NSW (just because nationals are stronger up there, and well, Queensland)

Avalon would be perfect with the right facility created, no real housing around and close to medical needed, i know it's fed land, time for Dan to call Scomo bluff on this and say if you won't let it happen, Vic is handing over biosecurity to you.

Plus i could see Scomo running scared because the general consensus is moving it from the city is what is needed, if he rejects it, he will do anything for a vote and a slogan that makes him look good.

 

[Magnum27]

Agree. Heard some pretty convincing “expert’ a few days ago who says it’s just luck we haven’t had more already and that it will become more common because of high population density and demand for certain types of food.
And yep, in hindsight they should have looked at the remote centres earlier.

Yep we have had plenty of viruses get out, even in recent times, so makes sense more and more will occur. And whilst the initial financial output will be high, it will be much better than shutting down whole states.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Plus i could see Scomo running scared because the general consensus is moving it from the city is what is needed, if he rejects it, he will do anything for a vote and a slogan that makes him look good.

I'm sure Scomo is plotting how he can jump in at just the right time to take credit for something like this after shirking responsibility for a year.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

They mentioned setting them near Avalon, or even Tullamarine -which all seems sensible to me -near airports and plenty of space and not offending regionals.

I still can't see that happening.

Firstly feds are desperate to be Arma length from this, and airports are fed regulated.

Second, ever since Sept 11 airport access has been highly regulated. I used to be able to go on tarmac, that's a massive no no now. Even the land around the airport has serious access constraints (had this with a cargo claim once, I couldn't even see what had been damaged)

I doubt tulla is possible at all. Avalon maybe, but it needs to be well away from any of the airport activity (and I mean well away).

So glad I don't deal with that shit anymore (airports are the worst to deal with)

 

[Frank Bunn]

FFS - again NOT DEFENDING THE GOVT - i made it clear my post was on the concept of HQ as a whole, and you pushing the notion it has to be "safe"

here's a tip for free. If you see any medication, safety device, or childs product that declares its 100% safe, dont buy it. no half decent risk manager would allow that moniker to be attached to their product.

Thats why i get nervous when you set the expectation at "safe". Even the NSW, QLD, SA, and WA model fail on that regard.

and again, if you keep lying about things im saying - put me on ignore

Have the Vic government quietly dropped the Stay Safe, Stay Open slogan?