Society/Culture Hypocrisy of The Left - part 3

[Lethality]

Yes and it also subscribes to this old school idea that penis size and your worth as a man are linked.

I expect people like Andrew Tate to use these terms. It's disappointing when people like Greta do.

 

[the_interloper]

Potentially, but it's still associating a negative with a small dick imo.

Definitely is doing that. It’s weird though, things like saying a guy has a small dick or can’t get a root are fair game to throw around. But the female version of such insults I think are classed as “**** shaming” and are apparently unfair and mean.

 

[Gough]

Forget toxic masculinity, this is all coming across as fragile masculinity. A violent misogynist gets his comeuppance from a teenaged girl and the upshot of it all is we're worried about men's feelings.

 

[Gethelred]

I think there's something exposed by this; the fact that we relate negative/positive traits to physical attributes, and we probably shouldn't.

You have 'short person's disease'; you've got 'don't get a big head'; you've got 'look at the balls on him'; and now, we've BDE and SDE. A fair amount of this thread has gone into analyzing how SDE is negative, but what about the oversexualizing that comes with referring to someone's behaviour/attitude as BDE?

I'm a pretty private person. If someone referred to anything I did as having BDE, I'd immediately feel pretty self conscious: why are you opining publicly about how big my dick is?

It's probably this part which is why Thunberg's retort isn't as bad as perhaps it could be. Tate's quote smacked of a need to feel validated, want of attention, and forced himself into her consideration. He tried to talk up his endowments, and she smashed him for six; he invited the retort. Don't flop your dick out unwanted if you don't want it getting kicked.

There's a conversation to be had around this, even if a number of those suddenly terribly concerned about positive body image seem to have done so in order to criticize Greta Thunberg. I also think there's a fair chance this thread will go the same way the other one did.

I don't think the SRP is mature enough to have a respectful conversation about this. We'll see.

 

[Lethality]

Forget toxic masculinity, this is all coming across as fragile masculinity. A violent misogynist gets his comeuppance from a teenaged girl and the upshot of it all is we're worried about men's feelings.

Fragility usually refers to an unwillingness to discuss issues like masculinity. Which is the opposite of what this thread is doing.

It's not just about Tate, it's the message it sends to men out there about their bodies and also about masculinity.

 

[Big Papa Ted]

Forget toxic masculinity, this is all coming across as fragile masculinity. A violent misogynist gets his comeuppance from a teenaged girl and the upshot of it all is we're worried about men's feelings.

This has nothing to do with Tate or Greta. I intentionally made a new thread without mentioning them to have a discussion on the merits of the term SDE without associating it to political slants. Don't derail the thread by trying to turn it back into a mudslinging match.

You're a mod, do better.

 

[Big Papa Ted]

I think there's something exposed by this; the fact that we relate negative/positive traits to physical attributes, and we probably shouldn't.

You have 'short person's disease'; you've got 'don't get a big head'; you've got 'look at the balls on him'; and now, we've BDE and SDE. A fair amount of this thread has gone into analyzing how SDE is negative, but what about the oversexualizing that comes with referring to someone's behaviour/attitude as BDE?

I'm a pretty private person. If someone referred to anything I did as having BDE, I'd immediately feel pretty self conscious: why are you opining publicly about how big my dick is?

It's probably this part which is why Thunberg's retort isn't as bad as it could be. Tate's quote smacked of a need to feel validated, want of attention, and forcing himself into her consideration. He tried to talk up his endowments, and she smashed him for six; he invited the retort. Don't flop your dick out unwanted if you don't want it getting kicked.

There's a conversation to be had around this, even if a number of those suddenly terribly concerned about positive body image seem to have done so in order to criticize Greta Thunberg. I also think there's a fair chance this thread will go the same way the other one did.

I don't think the SRP is mature enough to have a respectful conversation about this. We'll see.

I actually think that's a really good point ref. oversexualising. Similar to you, I'm a fairly private person and would feel the same.

Understand you've done it in good faith, but can we avoid mentioning Tate vs. Greta. I have a similar view to you ref that issue, but would prefer that this topic stays specifically on language and meaning.

Edit: Also don't want this to just be limited to discussing the term SDE. Figured it could be a catalyst for a wider discussion on language.

 

[Gethelred]

I actually think that's a really good point ref. oversexualising. Similar to you, I'm a fairly private person and would feel the same.

Understand you've done it in good faith, but can we avoid mentioning Tate vs. Greta. I have a similar view to you ref that issue, but would prefer that this topic stays specifically on language and meaning.

I think that's going to be rather difficult to do given they're the reason we're discussing this, but sure.

 

[Lethality]

I actually think that's a really good point ref. oversexualising. Similar to you, I'm a fairly private person and would feel the same.

This inclination towards privacy doesn't appear to get taken into account when men are concerned. Even had an AFL players (Ricky Henderson) junk captured by dressing room camera while Basil Zempilas made dick jokes. That's just one incident but it shows the mentality when a TV network actually thought this could go to air.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

G'day All,

To avoid derailing other threads, I thought I'd start a topic on a clearly contentious topic (and because I enjoy the nuances of language). Is the term small dick energy (or SDE for short) a form of bodyshaming?

I'd argue that it does, as it associates a negative connotation with an uncontrollable physical feature. I understand that the term isn't meant to be taken literally, as SDE refers to insecurity/compensation rather than physical appendage. That said, by using the term SDE as a slur, you're implying a small dick is a negative.

I'd contend that for example, if you said people gave you "gay vibes" as a slur (with "gay vibes" being a synonym for weak/limp) it'd be understandably seen as homophobic. What's the difference?

Feel free to discuss this or the other nuances of language in this thread.

Do you regret calling yourself Big Papa?

 

[Big Papa Ted]

This inclination towards privacy doesn't appear to get taken into account when men are concerned. Even had an AFL players (Ricky Henderson) junk captured by dressing room camera while Basil Zempilas made dick jokes. That's just one incident but it shows the mentality when a TV network actually thought this could go to air.

To be fair that's all blokes doing it to other blokes, and we should hold each other accountable for that kinda stuff.

I also think chicks get smashed with privacy invasions as tbh. Its more a case of other females jump to their defence (rightfully). We as blokes don't look out for each other the same way.

 

[Big Papa Ted]

Do you regret calling yourself Big Papa?

Not really, it's what my daughter affectionately called me when I was younger (was a bit hefty at the time).

 

[Lethality]

To be fair that's all blokes doing it to other blokes, and we should hold each other accountable for that kinda stuff.

Sure, and that's also the case with SDE/BDE. The gender of the person coming up with this doesn't really matter IMHO. The hypocrisy is that it's used by people who normally criticise toxic masculinity.

There was another case where Travis Cloke and Dane Swans photos were leaked by a woman, then you had the media again with the dick jokes instead of taking the incident seriously.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

The context in which Greta used SDE was correct, it was the perfect response.

To any men claiming they are the victim of body shaming - do you have a preference for things like big boobs, or long legs?

 

[Lethality]

To any men claiming they are the victim of body shaming - do you have a preference for things like big boobs, or long legs?

Big difference between preferring big boobs and saying something like she has "small tit energy"

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Big difference between preferring big boobs and saying something like she has "small tit energy"

Some guys like small boobs. Small tit energy would cover many desirable athletes.

 

[Mofra]

Context is important.

Yelling "small dick" at a random - over the line
In response to a violent misogynist who has done far worse, publicly and privately - fair game.

When I was younger I had a friend who was a solid guy, affectionately known as Fatman - would I call other people that? No. This guy wore it like a badge of honor (he was more powerlifter shaped than obese anyway).

Again, context.

 

[dumb]

greta's comment was an example of beating up the bully. as an isolated case, she gave him his own medicine.
it's not body-shaming but you could infer wider implications from the continued use of the term. its equivalent is something like 'you play like a girl'. the slur is through the supposed wrongness of an attribute which pertains to third parties, rather than the individual's body.

for the record, he looks familiar but i'd never even heard of andrew tate before he ended up in the news.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Forget toxic masculinity, this is all coming across as fragile masculinity. A violent misogynist gets his comeuppance from a teenaged girl and the upshot of it all is we're worried about men's feelings.

From this thread and the other, I'd say the majority aren't concerned at all about men's feelings.

 

[Cap]

From this thread and the other, I'd say the majority aren't concerned at all about men's feelings.

We are always concerned about men's feelings.

The problem here is the context the issue is raised.

RWNJs always suddenly become concerned with an issue when it benefits their position, but only within the realms of their narrow definition. If they are truly concerned with men's feelings They'd be cheering on Tate's downfall... not trying to find an angle to get to a teenage girl

 

[Brad Goodman]

Context is important.

Yelling "small dick" at a random - over the line
In response to a violent misogynist who has done far worse, publicly and privately - fair game.

When I was younger I had a friend who was a solid guy, affectionately known as Fatman - would I call other people that? No. This guy wore it like a badge of honor (he was more powerlifter shaped than obese anyway).

Again, context.

He forged a great partnership with Jake, not surprised he wore it as a badge of honour.

 

[Carringbush2010]

We are always concerned about men's feelings.

The problem here is the context the issue is raised.

RWNJs always suddenly become concerned with an issue when it benefits their position, but only within the realms of their narrow definition. If they are truly concerned with men's feelings They'd be cheering on Tate's downfall... not trying to find an angle to get to a teenage girl

I think most on here are cheering on this bloke's downfall, not many are targeting Greta.

TBH, I'm viewing the opinions in here on this thread and the correlation in the other one.

Personally, I don't really know much about this tate guy, going by the views in here he's best avoided.

Same with Greta, obviously she can't be avoided because msm, so I know as much as the next person. Still, I find her angry and resentful (for good reason), yet it doesn't help the agenda, because of that anger.

Anyone who's crying over Greta labelling this bloke as SDE, I say meh, who gives a sh*t? They're not worth any attention.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

Big dick energy and small dick energy as sayings have been around for years and now right wingers want to discuss it because a prominent left winger used it

**** your concern trolling

 

[Malifice]

Loving all the conservatives flocking in to defend men with small dicks.

Confirms a suspicion I've long held.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Real SDE from this thread.

Insecure, fake concern, all up in your feelings.

Also lol at constantly seeing “look I haven’t heard of Tate…” in these threads.

If Tate supporters feel body shamed, good. I hope they feel mentally anguished enough to reform their thinking models.


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