You are talking about it like it's fact but your basing it all on the idea that because he criticised the list that must mean he's going to coach us... 1+1 = 3
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Hypothetical: Next Collingwood coach? (Think this is disrespectful? OK, OK, we get it)
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I don't think there's a smarter man in footy than Paul Roos. Knows the game top to bottom, knows players abilities and weaknesses inside and out and knows exactly where teams can improve and where their strengths are. There isn't a person I'd put more faith into to put the team back on tract. I'd pick him over Clarkson.
Wouldn't work imo
Absolutely not. There is no future for Buckley in any coaching capacity going forward. We badly need to start a new leaf after the most diastrous coaching experiment in the history of this club apart from the 1975/76 period with Murray Wiedeman.
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I'm not against this if it's true.
I heard Roos on Triple M and what he said made sense. He said if he was coming into a club he'd make sure he had a handpicked team (assistants, recruitment, fitness etc) to come in with him, with a chief assistant coach to be groomed as his successor a few years down the track to take the side to the next stage of development.
Sounds like what we need right about now actually.
Hey, hands off Nicks he was my man last year!
I'm in favour of a thread title change. I've ran a straw poll and there are only three posters remaining that believe it's a disrespectful discussion
Chris Maple guys let's not fall into the trap of going for the name candidate. He's Chris Fagan mach II with a Collingwood connection to boot
I used to babysit Chris's kids a few years back. Great guy and great family. I was pretty dumbfounded one day when he arrived home with his mate Brad Johnson... I tried to play it cool but I don't think they bought it.
I'd be keen for Paul Roos with Dew as chief assistant who will take over in 2020.
Don't think it'll happen (I think Roosy is pretty keen to actually retire), but would be a great outcome.
Don't think it'll happen (I think Roosy is pretty keen to actually retire), but would be a great outcome.
I only have one key and non-negotiable criterion which is that the next coach must be from a non-Collingwood background. All of our successful coaches since rhe 1960's - Hafey, Matthews & Malthouse - all came from other AFL/VFL clubs. OK. Please no favourite sons!
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Give Scott Burns the rest of the season, it's like a free hit in a way, if he does well give him a one year deal, if he doesn't what have we lost?
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Have to disagree. We need them all gone. Fresh start!
If Ratten wasn't interested in a senior position at present then having him as an assistant alongside Dew as coach would be a good outcome.
Both have now worked extensively at clubs with strong cultures and under the best two coaches in the AFL.
Get Hodge on board who has a connection with both as another assistant and hope will begin to be restored.
Both have now worked extensively at clubs with strong cultures and under the best two coaches in the AFL.
Get Hodge on board who has a connection with both as another assistant and hope will begin to be restored.
Someone who has never had any involvement with the club in the past.
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Yes but would Bucks pride?
I can't just blame Bucks for our form. We have a list that has terrible skills and fumbles way too often. Yes game plans and recruiting have a say in all of that but geez our team is playing like a bunch of coach killers at the moment. It's hard to watch.
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Plenty of assumptions here but the impetus towards re-moulding the direction of the club thinking and the playing list for the 2018 season and beyond starts Monday.
If Roos is adamant he doesn't want to coach again, convince him to take over the gig until the end of the year as part of the broader strategic / external review.
Given his track record, it'll ensure the group doesn't fragment for the remainder of 2017 and have someone to look up to and guide them into the 2018 pre-season.
If not who might be able to do this better?
Who else wouldn't have the contractural obligations let alone come with the track record to allow them to step in and fulfil this role with certainty?
The club board will be understandably nervous and will need reassurance that whatever the move it is forward and not a sideways step (which I believe a caretaker coach such as Sanderson or Burns would deliver)
The club and our supporters need a material mind reset in this area. An appointment as large as Roos would do this and allow us to progress on thinking.
We're 2-3 years in development behind the competition as a result of the machinations of past 5 seasons.
As part of this appointment, allow Roos to do the wholesale list review before the upcoming draft. Give him carte blanche to set the terms for what he'd want in 2018.
You can't expect a new coach to take over at the end of the season and make informed, wholesale list management decisions ahead of the draft. It needs to be done before then and by someone that has experience.
During this process target and secure Dew, allowing him to coach until the end of season & the finals with Sydney.
My thinking is the two having worked together the handover would be cleaner and ideally the continuity of culture and thinking is maintained.
My concern being McGuire's 4th club and current external review during his tenure won't break the trend in the coaches box. Those decisions were made with core of the current management structure. If we are indeed on the cusp of a change of coach, look at how to manage the list on the park for the balance of the season and during this revise the broader list for 2018.
If they're serious about this reform, hand it over to someone that has done it before but importantly do it soon.
The Club has lost he respect of the competition and that is the last straw before a major reset comes through. Eddie won't stand for it.
If Roos is adamant he doesn't want to coach again, convince him to take over the gig until the end of the year as part of the broader strategic / external review.
Given his track record, it'll ensure the group doesn't fragment for the remainder of 2017 and have someone to look up to and guide them into the 2018 pre-season.
If not who might be able to do this better?
Who else wouldn't have the contractural obligations let alone come with the track record to allow them to step in and fulfil this role with certainty?
The club board will be understandably nervous and will need reassurance that whatever the move it is forward and not a sideways step (which I believe a caretaker coach such as Sanderson or Burns would deliver)
The club and our supporters need a material mind reset in this area. An appointment as large as Roos would do this and allow us to progress on thinking.
We're 2-3 years in development behind the competition as a result of the machinations of past 5 seasons.
As part of this appointment, allow Roos to do the wholesale list review before the upcoming draft. Give him carte blanche to set the terms for what he'd want in 2018.
You can't expect a new coach to take over at the end of the season and make informed, wholesale list management decisions ahead of the draft. It needs to be done before then and by someone that has experience.
During this process target and secure Dew, allowing him to coach until the end of season & the finals with Sydney.
My thinking is the two having worked together the handover would be cleaner and ideally the continuity of culture and thinking is maintained.
My concern being McGuire's 4th club and current external review during his tenure won't break the trend in the coaches box. Those decisions were made with core of the current management structure. If we are indeed on the cusp of a change of coach, look at how to manage the list on the park for the balance of the season and during this revise the broader list for 2018.
If they're serious about this reform, hand it over to someone that has done it before but importantly do it soon.
The Club has lost he respect of the competition and that is the last straw before a major reset comes through. Eddie won't stand for it.
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Buck stops with Bucks, when we get the game plan executed we look good, do we have the players to consistently execute, probably not. Does anyone?? We need a team of Buckleys, contested beasts with freak disposal.
I think your club is past the stage of disrespect. It is a conversation that has to take place.
We know it, Bucks knows it, the footy public knows it and I'm sure the club knows it.
I joke about the Pies losing Bucks and putting in a good coach!!!! But it has to happen and I cannot believe Bucks is still at the helm after his sixth season is giong pear shaped. I'm not sure the Pies should wait till the end of the year.
I am just sad for the club (probably Bucks too) that he just refuses to stand down.
Hell, Ratten would be a decent option, he was shafted at Carlton and now has even more years in the system.
Anyways, I'm keen to see a coaching change at Collingwood.
We know it, Bucks knows it, the footy public knows it and I'm sure the club knows it.
I joke about the Pies losing Bucks and putting in a good coach!!!! But it has to happen and I cannot believe Bucks is still at the helm after his sixth season is giong pear shaped. I'm not sure the Pies should wait till the end of the year.
I am just sad for the club (probably Bucks too) that he just refuses to stand down.
Hell, Ratten would be a decent option, he was shafted at Carlton and now has even more years in the system.
Anyways, I'm keen to see a coaching change at Collingwood.
knowing eddie he might bring mick out of retirement
I don't care who coaches so long as they are not handpicked by Eddie. Another friggin captains pick.
If Bucks has to go then at least go through a decent process to find the best available. Ensure we appoint a panel that has some external perspective to find the best candidate.
I'd also apply the same criteria to find the next head of recruitment as Hine has to go. Been poor for a long time as evident by the list imbalance and terrible skills.
Why stop here. Also go and get a new head off football to replace Geoff Walsh who seems to have returned to fill a vacancy because they couldn't find anyone else. There has to be some strong candidates out there.
Let the 3 appointees do their work unhindered. Clean out the list of poorly skilled players. Take the salary cap hit and get rid of Chris Mayne and give his spot to a rookie.
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If Bucks has to go then at least go through a decent process to find the best available. Ensure we appoint a panel that has some external perspective to find the best candidate.
I'd also apply the same criteria to find the next head of recruitment as Hine has to go. Been poor for a long time as evident by the list imbalance and terrible skills.
Why stop here. Also go and get a new head off football to replace Geoff Walsh who seems to have returned to fill a vacancy because they couldn't find anyone else. There has to be some strong candidates out there.
Let the 3 appointees do their work unhindered. Clean out the list of poorly skilled players. Take the salary cap hit and get rid of Chris Mayne and give his spot to a rookie.
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