List Mgmt. Hypothetical trades and wishlists thread

[Strapping Young Lad]

Frawley & Birch are both required players. Frawley is needed to play on some KPFs and Birchall is a great intercept and attacking defender. Also can hold his own in an 1-on-1 contest as well as being a vocal character back their. Frawleys desicion making isn't great but his skills are ok. Brand is coming along really well but we don't have much KPD depth so Having Frawley & Brand both there is very important as we could survive without 1 of them but we might want to use both as some teams have a plethora of kpfs and if Frawley was in the side ahead of Brand then it would be comforting that if Frawley goes down(is very possible) then we got Brand. Trading Frawley would be foolish and it would also be foolish to trade Birchall without Gibbo & Hodge in defence being the skipper of the backline. Birchall will most likely be the player Clarko asks to take control of the backline and keep people in check although he probably already does this it is more important now with the departure of those retiring champs.

Btw. We need Stratton as well. When Danger was tearing us apart up forward there was 1 guy I would of given a chance to stop him and that was Stratton. He is great at stopping star players. Has an exceptional record against Betts and 95% of the time does well against the dangerous resting mid.


These guys are more important than getting a 2nd round pick. I'd trust Wright and his team to find a diamond in the rough every day of the week

So apart from a couple of retirements we're going to head into another year with 10 players who are 28+?

I would hope not.

It's time for change, not hope that players can recapture form from yesterday.

 

[DannyJ]

So apart from a couple of retirements we're going to head into another year with 10 players who are 28+?

I would hope not.

It's time for change, not hope that players can recapture form from yesterday.

Whilst I agree with you, we need to be getting decent value back. Not 2nd and 3rd round picks.

It's gotta be 1st rounders or talented young players

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Whilst I agree with you, we need to be getting decent value back. Not 2nd and 3rd round picks.

It's gotta be 1st rounders or talented young players

Not necessarily. That time has passed.

You can't hold onto everyone until they retire just because we didn't pull the chord a year or two earlier when they were worth more.

That would be list suicide.

 

[Mitchell54]

So apart from a couple of retirements we're going to head into another year with 10 players who are 28+?

I would hope not.

It's time for change, not hope that players can recapture form from yesterday.

I agree that change has to happen but it has to be gradual. Too much turnaround can hurt the chemistry of the players.
I suggested trading Poppy & Smith which i think we could handle + some guys like Duryea or Whitecross and non best 22 players

 

[Roger Rogerson]

The way fwd lines look this year Stratts is a very valuable commodity provided he hasnt lost any pace when he comes back.

Swans have a poor mans Stratts in Rampe who somehow makes the AA side despite having a poor finals record. Stratts is far better equipped to pinch hit on talls and as we know is brilliant on smalls.

 

[Gralin]

I agree that change has to happen but it has to be gradual. Too much turnaround can hurt the chemistry of the players.
I suggested trading Poppy & Smith which i think we could handle + some guys like Duryea or Whitecross and non best 22 players

Last time we missed finals we turned over 22 players across the two off seasons that followed

Expect some blood letting

 

[dipper86]

I agree that change has to happen but it has to be gradual. Too much turnaround can hurt the chemistry of the players.
I suggested trading Poppy & Smith which i think we could handle + some guys like Duryea or Whitecross and non best 22 players

I'm a tad confused, how do you propose we handle covering Smith, our best line breaking gut running mid.......... especially when our list is void of overlap and run. Frankly he's the one that we can least cover.

If he was to part it would have to be an offer too good to refuse.

 

[DannyJ]

Not necessarily. That time has passed.

You can't hold onto everyone until they retire just because we didn't pull the chord a year or two earlier when they were worth more.

That would be list suicide.

Hopefully we extract some value though i.e Kennedy for Puopolo

 

[Mrzohs]

Hartung,( stratton or schonemakers) 2nd round pick for gaff.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I'm a tad confused, how do you propose we handle covering Smith, our best line breaking gut running mid.......... especially when our list is void of overlap and run. Frankly he's the one that we can least cover.

If he was to part it would have to be an offer too good to refuse.

Or because the club knows we're not winning a flag in the next 2 years.

 

[Gralin]

Or because the club knows we're not winning a flag in the next 2 years.

I feel like Smith leaving would be pretty big. Sure it could happen but as you say it would be a big part of saying wait a few years

Would need to be a pretty good deal

 

[dipper86]

Or because the club knows we're not winning a flag in the next 2 years.

Whether the club thinks that it can win or not win it in the next 2 years, still doesn't change the point that Smith is the player we can least afford to lose/ or have cover for.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

Smith will be 29 at the start of next season.

 

[Gralin]

Smith will be 29 at the start of next season.

And we don't have coverage for him
He's our best runner, he's one of the best in the league
He's a great trainer which you need at the club
He's in our leadership group
He's a public face of the club

Like I said it would want to be a pretty good deal

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

And we don't have coverage for him
He's our best runner, he's one of the best in the league
He's a great trainer which you need at the club
He's in our leadership group
He's a public face of the club

Like I said it would want to be a pretty good deal

He's one of the few players with currency

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

Not saying I want to trade him as I love him but he is getting on a bit. His late start to his career might bode well for him + outside runner + insanely fit.

Could probably play until 35 tbh.

 

[Gralin]

He's one of the few players with currency

Yeah he has currency, you're he's 29 post didn't say that it indicated you thought he was surplus based on age alone.

Clubs get calls.about players every year, hell Clarko gets calls about other clubs every year.

If the right offer comes up a player will probably be asked so anything is possible with where we are at in the cycle

I really have no no idea what the clubs plan is but I do expect quite a few changes and a few established players to not be here

 

[dipper86]

Yeah he has currency, you're he's 29 post didn't say that it indicated you thought he was surplus based on age alone.

Clubs get calls.about players every year, hell Clarko gets calls about other clubs every year.

If the right offer comes up a player will probably be asked so anything is possible with where we are at in the cycle

I really have no no idea what the clubs plan is but I do expect quite a few changes and a few established players to not be here

.
Hill at 24 netted us pick 23 or so, a lot on here are saying Gaff is worth a mid to late first round early second at the age of 25.
Realistically taking off the Hawthorn glasses, do we actually expect a first round pick for him

 

[Xtreme]

Smith will be 29 at the start of next season.

He stays!

 

[Gralin]

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Hill at 24 netted us pick 23 or so, a lot on here are saying Gaff is worth a mid to late first round early second at the age of 25.
Realistically taking off the Hawthorn glasses, do we actually expect a first round pick for him

I couldn't give two shits about picks. I'm saying if we lose Smith we better get some value. He's been positioned as a face of the club, he's a vice captain, he's got a few years left based on his age and output and he doesn't have the go home excuse Hill did if he wanted to leave.

His name has been mentioned because interest has been shown. My view is I hope if he leaves we are getting more than we did for our last few trades

It is never as simple as he's 25 and AA or whatever, media doesn't report on salaries or even really talk about teal balance when they talk about trades

 

[dipper86]

I couldn't give two shits about picks. I'm saying if we lose Smith we better get some value. He's been positioned as a face of the club, he's a vice captain, he's got a few years left based on his age and output and he doesn't have the go home excuse Hill did if he wanted to leave.

His name has been mentioned because interest has been shown. My view is I hope if he leaves we are getting more than we did for our last few trades

It is never as simple as he's 25 and AA or whatever, media doesn't report on salaries or even really talk about teal balance when they talk about trades

Well you better get used to giving a shit about picks because that's one form of compensarion for player movement. Like you I also want value if we're going to part with him. At best we would be lucky for an end of first round pick. If picks is what the club is after.

 

[Gralin]

Well you better get used to giving a shit about picks because that's one form of compensarion for player movement. Like you I also want value if we're going to part with him. At best we would be lucky for an end of first round pick. If picks is what the club is after.

Maybe I wasn't clear. Drafting picks are only worth an opportunity, I don't subscribe to player is worth pick X because that is media oversimplification

Team need impacts, age impacts, salary impacts.

Players decide if they move so that impacts. All I'm saying is if we trade Smith I hope we get good value.

I'd prefer to keep him but I don't pretend to know who stays or goes

 

[Since 2001]

Libba?

 

[Since 2001]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...d/news-story/8b52e5e12c1dae1aefe9628a6e28812d

Michael talia would come cheap and is more key back depth

 

[coxy149]

Not saying that the hawks should trade either frawley, straton or birchall and I'm a big fan of all 3.
However birchall and straton in that order are more vital to the way the hawks play and set up. This year it is clear that brand can take a KPF and the way footy has evolved 9 times out of 10 there is second or third help defender coming in. Frawley would be easier to replace in the squad and with a couple clubs needing a kpb (bulldogs) I wouldn't be surprised to see his name mentioned in talks.