ICC T20 World Cup 2024 USA/West Indies (June 2-June 29)

Who will win the T20 World Cup in 2024?

  • India

    Votes: 14 41.2%
  • Australia

    Votes: 8 23.5%
  • England

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • South Africa

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • New Zealand

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Pakistan

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • West Indies

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • Sri Lanka

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Bangladesh

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Afghanistan

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Netherlands

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • Ireland

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Namibia

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Scotland

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Oman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Uganda

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • Nepal

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • USA

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • Canada

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Papua New Guinea

    Votes: 3 8.8%

  • Total voters
    34
  • Poll closed .

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Particularly huge given in the format you wanted for the World Cup, 2 of the nations who could make it through wouldn't even play in the World Cup haha.

To be fair no one could have predicted USA would beat Pakistan or Afghanistan to wipe the floor with NZ. If Scotland progress its somewhat gifted as the No Contest against England would have heavily contributed.
 
I will say though T20 is probably the format cricket can truly become a world game because players don't actually have to be world class players to be good at the format.
 
To be fair no one could have predicted USA would beat Pakistan or Afghanistan to wipe the floor with NZ. If Scotland progress its somewhat gifted as the No Contest against England would have heavily contributed.
Yeah that's why teams shouldn't just get to automatically qualify for events. We may think we know who will win but teams should actually have to play and beat other teams to progress.
 

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To be fair no one could have predicted USA would beat Pakistan or Afghanistan to wipe the floor with NZ. If Scotland progress its somewhat gifted as the No Contest against England would have heavily contributed.
It's only because of that No Result that England are even still alive in the tournament. Scotland were on their way to annihilating them.
 
To be fair no one could have predicted USA would beat Pakistan or Afghanistan to wipe the floor with NZ. If Scotland progress its somewhat gifted as the No Contest against England would have heavily contributed.
Afghanistan beating NZ was always a good chance
 
Yeah that's why teams shouldn't just get to automatically qualify for events. We may think we know who will win but teams should actually have to play and beat other teams to progress.
Look at who some of the European giants in soccer have to play to make the world cup. And yet Italy have still missed the last two editions.
 
Yeah that's why teams shouldn't just get to automatically qualify for events. We may think we know who will win but teams should actually have to play and beat other teams to progress.
Apart from the host and reigning champs, I agree with that for white ball (or, for the sake of $, t20). In general international white ball needs more structure to keep people invested, there's just random bilaterals all the time that don't matter since the top 8 from the last event auto qualify.

If there was qualification on the line people have more to invest in matches, which should generate more ticket sales, more tv viewership and therefore more revenue.

Tests are obviously the outlier since only a few nations have test status, although I think thats a very stupid rule and hinders the sport. If the smaller full member nations don't want to put on tests because it costs money, but an associate nation does, whats the harm exactly? Let Nepal play a test against Oman, who gets hurt from these boards choosing to organise that?
 
Apart from the host and reigning champs, I agree with that for white ball (or, for the sake of $, t20). In general international white ball needs more structure to keep people invested, there's just random bilaterals all the time that don't matter since the top 8 from the last event auto qualify.

If there was qualification on the line people have more to invest in matches, which should generate more ticket sales, more tv viewership and therefore more revenue.

Tests are obviously the outlier since only a few nations have test status, although I think thats a very stupid rule and hinders the sport. If the smaller full member nations don't want to put on tests because it costs money, but an associate nation does, whats the harm exactly? Let Nepal play a test against Oman, who gets hurt from these boards choosing to organise that?
Tbf, for the last ODI World Cup all the bilaterals were part of the Super League which acted as qualifying. Almost everyone either did not care about it, did not know it existed or just outright hated it.

Australian fans and administrators mostly just want to see us playing India and England over and over again.

Australia played a 3 match series against Zimbabwe as part of it and most of the comments were saying how pointless the series was.
 
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Apart from the host and reigning champs, I agree with that for white ball (or, for the sake of $, t20). In general international white ball needs more structure to keep people invested, there's just random bilaterals all the time that don't matter since the top 8 from the last event auto qualify.

If there was qualification on the line people have more to invest in matches, which should generate more ticket sales, more tv viewership and therefore more revenue.

Tests are obviously the outlier since only a few nations have test status, although I think thats a very stupid rule and hinders the sport. If the smaller full member nations don't want to put on tests because it costs money, but an associate nation does, whats the harm exactly? Let Nepal play a test against Oman, who gets hurt from these boards choosing to organise that?
T20's is the first format which crap players can be elite players if that makes sense.. so in the long run these minnows may actually be good at the format. Tests and ODI's actually involve long sustained concentration and skill to go well in which has never suited the lesser sides where as T20's a opener can come out and spank 90 off 40 and not actually be that good.
 
Tbf, for the last ODI World Cup all the bilaterals were part of the Super League which acted as qualifying. Almost everyone either did not care about it, did not know it existed or just outright hated it.

Australian fans and administrators mostly just want to see us playing India and England over and over again.

Australia played a 3 match series against Zimbabwe as part of it and most of the comments were saying how pointless the series was.
That's fair, I actually thought the top 6 or so auto qualified for last years ODI WC. Maybe 1 game matches instead of 3 game series would help the ODI Super League work? I know ODI is essentially on life support but worth a shot. If players are jet setting around the world constantly it might be more interesting than playing 1 bilateral every couple months.

In reality, if all 3 formats (or just t20 and Tests) are going to co-exist, the players are going to have to seperate between them more and more and pick a side. Australia and England do this okay but it's going to have to happen more and more. It's only a matter of time before the Indian/Saudi backed leagues completely encroaches on the Aussie summer and have too much money to offer.
 
That's fair, I actually thought the top 6 or so auto qualified for last years ODI WC. Maybe 1 game matches instead of 3 game series would help the ODI Super League work? I know ODI is essentially on life support but worth a shot. If players are jet setting around the world constantly it might be more interesting than playing 1 bilateral every couple months.

In reality, if all 3 formats (or just t20 and Tests) are going to co-exist, the players are going to have to seperate between them more and more and pick a side. Australia and England do this okay but it's going to have to happen more and more. It's only a matter of time before the Indian/Saudi backed leagues completely encroaches on the Aussie summer and have too much money to offer.
Yep and Australians can't really complain once Australian players start prioritising the franchise money over playing for Australia. We've actively encouraged players (particularly New Zealanders, Pakistanis and West Indians) to play in the Big Bash instead of for their country and felt no gripes about doing so.

Hell there are currently Dutch and Scottish first team players not playing in a World Cup because their county teams wouldn't release them so the English can't complain either.
 
Yep and Australians can't really complain once Australian players start prioritising the franchise money over playing for Australia. We've actively encouraged players (particularly New Zealanders, Pakistanis and West Indians) to play in the Big Bash instead of for their country and felt no gripes about doing so.

Hell there are currently Dutch and Scottish first team players not playing in a World Cup because their county teams wouldn't release them so the English can't complain either.

Maybe Australia will have to start sending more of the advertising money to player contracts instead of to the "coffers" which the Murdoch Media love to talk about.

How can English county have contracts that are ahead of national contracts?? Even as minnows thats insane.
 

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That's fair, I actually thought the top 6 or so auto qualified for last years ODI WC. Maybe 1 game matches instead of 3 game series would help the ODI Super League work? I know ODI is essentially on life support but worth a shot. If players are jet setting around the world constantly it might be more interesting than playing 1 bilateral every couple months.

In reality, if all 3 formats (or just t20 and Tests) are going to co-exist, the players are going to have to seperate between them more and more and pick a side. Australia and England do this okay but it's going to have to happen more and more. It's only a matter of time before the Indian/Saudi backed leagues completely encroaches on the Aussie summer and have too much money to offer.
I'm a believer in qualifying tournaments for World Cup events. It's basically what the associates do now at the sub-regional and regional level, except that the regional finals have full members as well.

I don't know how you work out the number of teams that qualify from the regional finals - perhaps the answer is the top few from each region, and the next few from each region go into a final "world qualifier" for the last few spots in the World Cup.

These tournaments exist all around the world, the format already exists, you can get them out of the way in 2-3 weeks and then the member boards are free to have bilaterals as glorified friendlies, which is what they always were until the ODI Super League (RIP), or domestic T20 comps.
 
Tests are obviously the outlier since only a few nations have test status, although I think thats a very stupid rule and hinders the sport. If the smaller full member nations don't want to put on tests because it costs money, but an associate nation does, whats the harm exactly? Let Nepal play a test against Oman, who gets hurt from these boards choosing to organise that?
It would cost the ICC more money, for a start.
 
How can English county have contracts that are ahead of national contracts?? Even as minnows thats insane.
England try this in every sport they can get away with (in this case it's just Cricket and Rugby Union)

But in the specific case of the missing Netherlands players this world cup, they only have 9 full-time contracts for players (+ development contracts). A lot of the players with county contracts just get paid for the matches themselves, they usually miss qualifiers for this. Theoretically ICC rules force the club sides to release them, but if Netherlands can't pay them then the players are put in a hard place.
 
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How? Doesn't the host pay for everything?
No, for example: When Rod Tucker is officiating an England v India Test, his salary and the support which led him there is paid by the ICC and his home board, i.e. Cricket Australia.
 
No, for example: When Rod Tucker is officiating an England v India Test, his salary and the support which led him there is paid by the ICC and his home board, i.e. Cricket Australia.
Fair enough. But the overwhelming majority is traditionally covered by the home board, who then get all the revenue from TV rights, ticket sales, etc.

That said, if they really wanted to do it - and I'm not convinced they do, tbh - is there anything stopping these boards from getting together and pooling costs, possibly even sending some cash back to the ICC to cover the costs of the umpires?
 
Best T20 tournament I have seen, if these pitches stay like this I'll be a happy man.

Batsmen struggling, no clear bias toward batting 1st or batting 2nd and few upsets happening, good viewing.
 
That said, if they really wanted to do it - and I'm not convinced they do, tbh - is there anything stopping these boards from getting together and pooling costs, possibly even sending some cash back to the ICC to cover the costs of the umpires?
That's what it means to be a full member. A board which contributes to world cricket resources more than it uses.
 

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