If Ablett does not win the brownlow this year...

[ShirtFronter]

As I said earlier, no defensive game at all. The footage proves it, even the 1 tackle he laid was only because Ladson sat into him.

He has good evasive skills, and knows where to be, but until he wins the ball or creates turnovers, he'll always be a seagull.

 

[Xtreme]

His absence through injury will likely kick his chances of winning a brownlow in the nuts (yet again).

 

[Tom12]

But key forwards are not known for picking it up. So Riewoldt may not get enough to win, and he's my pick. I think Gaz deserves it more than anyone, though wether the umpires see his games as worthy-is a diffrent story.

 

[brent-83]

But key forwards are not known for picking it up. So Riewoldt may not get enough to win, and he's my pick. I think Gaz deserves it more than anyone, though wether the umpires see his games as worthy-is a diffrent story.

Hayes is the one from your club mate. Stellar year and exactly the type of player that not only deserves to win one, but plays the game that the umpires like. Possessions, tackles, clearances and contested possession machine.

 

[CatFan79]

Funny, all the jealous trolls on here taking opportunity to spew the usual garbage about Ablett's effectiveness.. Move along trolls..

For the record, Ablett won't win the Brownlow, either will Swan.

Most likely be one of Judd, Black or Selwood. Hayes or Goodes as a rough chance..

 

[burto]

As I said earlier, no defensive game at all. The footage proves it, even the 1 tackle he laid was only because Ladson sat into him.

He has good evasive skills, and knows where to be, but until he wins the ball or creates turnovers, he'll always be a seagull.

You are an absolute tool. It is sad that your jealousy prevents you from admiring the game's best player and one of the best midfielders of all time. Ablett is the king of contested football.

 

[Big Nasty]

You are an absolute tool. It is sad that your jealousy prevents you from admiring the game's best player and one of the best midfielders of all time. Ablett is the king of contested football.

Precisely. He has averaged more contested possessions this year than any other player. And is only just shaded by Judd in average clearances per match. He is also the no.1 midfielder in Goals contributed. He also leads the comp in hard ball gets. Anyone who says he isn't the best Player in the comp, let alone best midfielder is absolutely kidding themselves.

 

[Hodges]

Whats the criteria for a legitimate contested possession? Does anyone know?

In my opinion, for Ablett to be considered the best player in the game, he needs to be kicking more goals. Considering his skillset up forward (hands, leap, goal sense and his core strength), he should be spending a lot more time in a damaging HF role. As it is he gathers to many possessions sweeping around the HB line.

Also, anyone know where you can get the metres gained statistic? From memory Ablett is remarkably low on that list, considering his high possession counts.

 

[DanA]

Whats the criteria for a legitimate contested possession? Does anyone know?

In my opinion, for Ablett to be considered the best player in the game, he needs to be kicking more goals. Considering his skillset up forward (hands, leap, goal sense and his core strength), he should be spending a lot more time in a damaging HF role. As it is he gathers to many possessions sweeping around the HB line.

Also, anyone know where you can get the metres gained statistic? From memory Ablett is remarkably low on that list, considering his high possession counts.

In 09:
Cyril Rioli - 21 goals
Gary Ablett Jnr - 24 goals

Ablett, Murphy and Chapman are the only guys in the top 40 possesion winners to kick over 20 goals.

 

[AG]

I think potatomasher summed it up perfectly. He has been the 2nd best player in the comp this year imo and everyone would love him in their team.

 

[Hodges]

In 09:
Cyril Rioli - 21 goals
Gary Ablett Jnr - 24 goals

Ablett, Murphy and Chapman are the only guys in the top 40 possesion winners to kick over 20 goals.

Whats your point? I wasnt making any comparisons to anyone, I merely stated that considering his skillset, he should be utilised more up forward. And for what its worth, I also think that Rioli shouldnt be moved into the midfield, as we miss his creativity around the goals (not too mention his forward pressure).

 

[strategy]

Goodes , Ablett , Goddard or Swan should

Funny if its a draw for the Brownlow - Followers medal between Goodes and Ablett

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Probably unlucky not to have picked it up the past 2 years. But this year, I reckon, hasnt been as good as others. Just my opinion.

Probably agree with that.

I think it will be dissapointing if he does win it.

The reason being is i dont believe he is a complete player yet.

He has great foot skills, and a good reader of the play, but no defensive game.

He is a receiver (aka seagull), but until i see him chase and tackle, or go in and under to get the ball, then he is just basically a link man. Defensive/offensive players win and turn games, Ablett doesnt come close to this.

If anyone replies with that misrepresented stat of contested posessions, or hardball gets then you are a seriously misguided person. Those stats dont involve any sort of contact, so theyre just gimmick stats.

You have no idea really, do you? Seen hardball gets or contested possession statistics for the last few years?

Calling Ablett a seagull outside of Bay 13 is just embarrassing for you. Hope this helps.

Some pretty funny comments to read this thread after watching him feed our forwards with precision yesterday.

I worked last year and didnt see the coverage, but if that is true, thats terrible.

It's not at all true.

 

[Sloth]

If he does get it it will be a charity case.

 

[Big Nasty]

If he does get it it will be a charity case.

That would be Swan. At least if Ablett wins, it will brings back some credibility to the medal.

 

[alinghi]

I think potatomasher summed it up perfectly. He has been the 2nd best player in the comp this year imo and everyone would love him in their team.

Wouldn't want him at the Eagles, because his heart wouldn't be in it.

 

[alinghi]

That would be Swan. At least if Ablett wins, it will brings back some credibility to the medal.

How so?

 

[Hodges]

Murphy will take too many votes from Judd, he has been outstanding this season.

 

[invinciBlues]

^Murphy hasn't outperformed Judd on many occasions (if at all), he'll poll well, but wont win one until a couple of years (if he's lucky). Judd's got it in the bag.

Ablett this year? Doubtful. I wouldn't even rate him in Geelong's top 5

(in no order)
Selwood
Chapman
Harley
Enright
Corey

All of those players (esp Chapman) are more integral to Geelong's success than Ablett.

 

[alinghi]

^Murphy hasn't outperformed Judd on many occasions (if at all), he'll poll well, but wont win one until a couple of years (if he's lucky). Judd's got it in the bag.

Ablett this year? Doubtful. I wouldn't even rate him in Geelong's top 5

(in no order)
Selwood
Chapman
Harley
Enright
Corey

All of those players (esp Chapman) are more integral to Geelong's success than Ablett.

I think Ablett is overrated myself, but it's quite a stretch to say that he is behind that hack Chapman.

 

[invinciBlues]

I think Ablett is overrated myself, but it's quite a stretch to say that he is behind that hack Chapman.

Chapman does a whole lot more for the team's spirit that can't be measured, Geelong lift for him, and the crowd goes mental for him.

It's only for that reason I rate him in their top 5, having that effect can and will win games.

 

[triplecheesy]

A tactic Geelong has used, and i'm almost certain it's a game plan, is to give Ablett the ball across half back, draw players too him, when Ablett lays it off (because of the number of players that committed to him) there should be a players free. It's not pretty for Ablett and gives him inflated numbers but it's good for Geelong. Hard to pick up the effect on TV though.

Spot on, finally someone with a brain not just bitter hawk supporters venting some steam. He isnt all about the cheapies, when Ablett gets the ball he is unpredictable because of his above average skills in just about every department so the opposition does everything to minimise his effectiveness, therefore drawing the oppo with the one two and then the cats attack. Its masterful tactics at work not cheapies, and when he does get his centimetre of space (or when he creates his own space dancing round the comp) he just about always delivers with precision. Hes a man who does his job exactly how its asked of him so he deserves his credit.

Lastly for the haters bangin on about why he isnt a champion, its easy to dwell on the cons rather than the pros... of which the cons DEFINATELY dont outweight the pros.

 

[SupportMe]

He deserved it in 07' over Bartel (Hell, Chad Cornes deserved it more than Bartel but enough about that)

He deserved it in 08' and everyone knows that.

He definitely has had a year comparable to the last two in 09' but to me theres seems to be a huge gap between the first and second half of his season. Theres also stiffer competition this year. Riewoldt, Goodes, Hayes, Swan, Judd and and Montagna have all had stellar years.

 

[alinghi]

Chapman does a whole lot more for the team's spirit that can't be measured, Geelong lift for him, and the crowd goes mental for him.

It's only for that reason I rate him in their top 5, having that effect can and will win games.

He's slow and old, and was very average against the dogs.

What do you mean by Geelong lift for him?

 

[invinciBlues]

If you watch any of Geelong's narrow victories, Chappy has been the catalyst. An inspiring goal here, a good tackle there. From what i've seen he's been apart of most of their turning points in games that could have gone either way.
More-so than Ablett.

Could just be me though.