News Impact of COVID-19 on season 2020 and beyond

[Righteo]

I have had a tip off from a source in the media that the Federal Government will, before the week is out, declare a full lockdown across the country.

That includes interstate travel. This would put the skids on any start to the season this weekend I presume.

Only essential services and industries will remain open ie power, health, supermarkets, defence, pharmacies etc.

I think that’s pretty obvious given the “Australians come home now” across media.

Scotty from Marketing can’t afford another bushfire disaster.

 

[Inveigh Slang]

So hypothetically- you’ve got immediate family overseas, bad luck they’ll have to stay there. Can’t see anyone happy with that situation?

I am now in quarantine because of the imposed requirements for international travellers. It ******* sucks, but I’d rather do this than be locked down in another country

Australians have a right to come home, how the government manages this is subjective.


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Australians should have the right to come home under strict aquamarine however tourists shouldn't be allowed entrance under any circumstances.

Two compleatly different issues

 

[Dirty_banchez]

lmao the hysteria is insane right now.

 

[FreoRicci]

lmao the hysteria is insane right now.

How much worse can it get? Will people resort to buying oat milk? Only bloody thing on the shelves atm

 

[Bombermania]

Too slow, too slow Australia, and these measures are not enough.

First, you are trusting everyone coming here to self isolate, most will try but some won't - there are still going to be family/ubers/rideshares collecting you from the airport to your destination. Does everyone have a stable home base? No, cheap international travel means not everyone flys in suits anymore and return home to their inner city penthouse. We have a very, very mobile population at the best of times.

Does Australian need to shut down completely and immediately? Yes it does, but only for 2 to 4 weeks. That will be enough to manage things moving forward, but it requires total shut down and isolation. Rations can be deployed as necessary.

The main solution is for the Government to take full control of the isolation process for international arrivals, i.e. Detain in special institutions/'camps' - guess what? It's been done many times in many countries, more than you think. The amount of migrants to New York and other major cities bearing polio, typhoid, tb, bovine diseases etc and were quarantined for months - it's a cruel but necessary part of moving across the globe.

Do this, and a full shut down and you'll see how quickly things can return to quasi-normality. Do it not, and we'll lose thousands on this continent alone.

Had the government as early as late January or early February gone okay no inbound flights from countries with reported cases and for Australians that need to return then flights could be organised then they will be placed in isolation for two weeks. But instead of causing a manageable inconvenience, the government's response has lead to a deeper medical and economic crisis than should have been the case.

 

[wayToGo_]

Australians should have the right to come home under strict aquamarine however tourists shouldn't be allowed entrance under any circumstances.

That seems a very specific gemstone to have to have possession of to gain entry back into the country. Biased to Australians born in March some would say.

 

[Taylor]

I'm not convinced we have a constitutional issue with putting all travelers to WA into aquamarine for 14 days.

As you can see, these people can be safely stored and shifted without safety equipment.

 

[Boppo]

Round 1 goes ahead, Freo rolls Essendon, sits atop the ladder. The rest of the season is scrapped and we win our first title!

 

[salim malik]

If the government reduces assembly numbers to 50 it's all over.

 

[purplerunsdeep2]

Round 1 goes ahead, Freo rolls Essendon, sits atop the ladder. The rest of the season is scrapped and we win our first title!

Or...

We get our asses handed to us - bottom of the ladder and get a top 3 pick! I hear there’s a gun WA backman!


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[salim malik]

Will the new 100 assembly total effect the game going ahead?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Will the new 100 assembly total effect the game going ahead?

Only if the roof was closed - outdoors you can have 500.

Brad Scott in shambles right now

 

[wayToGo_]

Only if the roof was closed - outdoors you can have 500.

Brad Scott in shambles right now

 

[Joao]

Gil would have been shattered that the PM didn't make the call for him this morning.

I am guessing it goes ahead which is crazy given all the other sports that aren't.

 

[raffrox]

Sport FM were saying that the Dockers players have been told that if their partner/wives aren't about to work from home then they have to move out.

No way we can ask players to do this just so we can watch footy. Especially since the talk is a six month time frame being involved.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Sport FM were saying that the Dockers players have been told that if their partner/wives aren't about to work from home then they have to move out.

No way we can ask players to do this just so we can watch footy. Especially since the talk is a six month time frame being involved.

We cant ask the players to do that but they made it clear they will do whatever it takes to play football because its their livelihood and they dont want to take a pay cut - regardless of the games played.

If someone told you your wage will be cut in half or lost unless you dont see your wife for 6 months, would you do it? I would.

We forget this is a job for 1000s of people and these people will do whatever it takes to keep their job

 

[Scham]

lmao the hysteria is insane right now.

 

[freo1997]

Gil would have been shattered that the PM didn't make the call for him this morning.

I am guessing it goes ahead which is crazy given all the other sports that aren't.

It won’t go ahead.

 

[dont bowl there]

It won’t go ahead.

The government has basically said it’s fine to proceed. What reason does Gill have to stop it? Players want to earn money and they wouldn’t be breaking any government recommendations.

 

[raffrox]

We cant ask the players to do that but they made it clear they will do whatever it takes to play football because its their livelihood and they dont want to take a pay cut - regardless of the games played.

If someone told you your wage will be cut in half or lost unless you dont see your wife for 6 months, would you do it? I would.

We forget this is a job for 1000s of people and these people will do whatever it takes to keep their job

"Whatever it takes" is a big statement. I haven't seen the line that the players will do whatever it takes. At any cost?

There's talk of a 20% pay cut so 50% is extreme. Also, no I wouldn't isolate from my family for 6 months in that scenario. I'd make whatever changes we could to ensure that this didn't happen.

The next issue is that it's a 'one in, all in scenario'. If a player wasn't comfortable with the situation it's debatable that they would feel comfortable with not playing or not telling their wife to move out.

If they have kids and they are going to school then I assume that they couldn't see their kids as well?

You reckon that kind of stuff is sustainable? Sounds like we'd be dealing with a whole bunch of mental health issues in players if they had to turn effectively into FIFO workers with a never ending shift.

We all want to see footy but if players have to do this until maybe December? No chance.

 

[Joose]

Personally, I have come around to the idea that the games should go ahead for as long as they can.

Sh1t , in these dark times let us at least have the footy to hang our hats on.

Unless Freo have a stinker on Sat, then its can the season.

 

[wayToGo_]

It's good to see the messaging and action from our governments becoming more clear and targeted today. Things that some of us knew (from the data) from a few days ago are now part of today's latest messaging from the PM and Premier so hopefully that will mean less panic in our community.

• Closing schools would have a massive negative impact by 30% of the health care workforce being unable to work - likely resulting in a lot of deaths (covid-19 isn't the only thing people are fighting in hospitals etc)
• Increased risk to grandparents if they have to look after kids that aren't attending school
• The virus affects children quite differently to influenza and other respiratory diseases
• It is not yet known if children can transmit the disease - it doesn't seem so as it hasn't been spreading like the flu does with kids
• The current massive absentee rates of children because parents are worried is as crazy as people thinking they know better than public health experts and choosing not to vaccinate
• People 60+ and with compromised immune systems are almost exclusively at high risk with covid-19
• Locking down or reduced access to aged care facilities will protect a large proportion of our most vulnerable - no overseas travellers allowed, two visitor limit at a time and no children except in specific circumstances (eg palliative care) makes a lot of sense
• We need more health workers - there has been a great response to the call in WA which is good news
• Closing the WA border would stop access to critical things WA needs - stopping non-essential interstate travel similarly reduces the risk but without blocking vital medicines etc coming in
• If the isolation of those coming in to Australia had happened earlier we'd have likely had almost no community transmission cases across Australia - our risk now is the cases that came in before that measure was put in place - crossing fingers we did it in time to slow it down
• Social distancing will slow the spread. Shutting things down doesn't necessarily stop it spreading, it often just shifts it. Isolation works and may seem extreme but it's effective and some industries are smart to consider it as an option (so long as it is a choice for people - eg AFL).

I still feel strongly we should have moved to produce our own test kits rather than relying on importing them. Unfortunately we didn't but we should be finding a way to expand the testing anyway (WHO's current motto is "test, test and test some more"). I am a bit concerned that yesterday Roger Cook hinted at stopping testing - I think that would be a very dumb move - hopefully he's changed his mind - you can't fight something if you can't see it.

There's a long journey ahead but for the most part I think Australia is being pretty sensible with how it is tackling it.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

"Whatever it takes" is a big statement. I haven't seen the line that the players will do whatever it takes. At any cost?

There's talk of a 20% pay cut so 50% is extreme. Also, no I wouldn't isolate from my family for 6 months in that scenario. I'd make whatever changes we could to ensure that this didn't happen.

The next issue is that it's a 'one in, all in scenario'. If a player wasn't comfortable with the situation it's debatable that they would feel comfortable with not playing or telling their wife to move out.

If they have kids and they are going to school then I assume that they couldn't see their kids as well?

You reckon that kind of stuff is sustainable? Sounds like we'd be dealing with a whole bunch of mental health issues in players if they had to turn effectively into FIFO workers with a never ending shift.

We all want to see footy but if players have to do this until maybe December? No chance.

Fair points, especially on the one in, all in scenario.

I dont know what the players have been told but with clubs in danger of collapsing I assume they operating under the assumption if most of them - and the others at their club - want to make sure they have jobs moving forward they need to take every measure possible to avoid the virus (clubs like the Eagles and others sort of excepted but they know if they get it, other clubs could fold).

Is this harsh, possibly, but the players have the unfortunate burden of knowing that not just their jobs, but many others are dependant on them getting as many games in this year as possible.

Clubs like Melbourne, GC and GWS need massive hand outs from the AFL to survive.

It is definitely a lot of pressure on players and they will need a lot of help to stay healthy mentally

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

It's good to see the messaging and action from our governments becoming more clear and targeted today. Things that some of us knew (from the data) from a few days ago are now part of today's latest messaging from the PM and Premier so hopefully that will mean less panic in our community.

• Closing schools would have a massive negative impact by 30% of the health care workforce being unable to work - likely resulting in a lot of deaths (covid-19 isn't the only thing people are fighting in hospitals etc)
• Increased risk to grandparents if they have to look after kids that aren't attending school
• The virus affects children quite differently to influenza and other respiratory diseases
• It is not yet known if children can transmit the disease - it doesn't seem so as it hasn't been spreading like the flu does with kids
• The current massive absentee rates of children because parents are worried is as crazy as people thinking they know better than public health experts and choosing not to vaccinate
• People 60+ and with compromised immune systems are almost exclusively at high risk with covid-19
• Locking down or reduced access to aged care facilities will protect a large proportion of our most vulnerable - no overseas travellers allowed, two visitor limit at a time and no children except in specific circumstances (eg palliative care) makes a lot of sense
• We need more health workers - there has been a great response to the call in WA which is good news
• Closing the WA border would stop access to critical things WA needs - stopping non-essential interstate travel similarly reduces the risk but without blocking vital medicines etc coming in
• If the isolation of those coming in to Australia had happened earlier we'd have likely had almost no community transmission cases across Australia - our risk now is the cases that came in before that measure was put in place - crossing fingers we did it in time to slow it down
• Social distancing will slow the spread. Shutting things down doesn't necessarily stop it spreading, it often just shifts it. Isolation works and may seem extreme but it's effective and some industries are smart to consider it as an option (so long as it is a choice for people - eg AFL).

I still feel strongly we should have moved to produce our own test kits rather than relying on importing them. Unfortunately we didn't but we should be finding a way to expand the testing anyway (WHO's current motto is "test, test and test some more"). I am a bit concerned that yesterday Roger Cook hinted at stopping testing - I think that would be a very dumb move - hopefully he's changed his mind - you can't fight something if you can't see it.

There's a long journey ahead but for the most part I think Australia is being pretty sensible with how it is tackling it.

I agree, people pointing to Italy, China and Europe as what's going to happen to us need to step back and take a better look at the current situation and actually think about the vast cultural and societal differences between these countries and ours. Italy has nearly 30% of its people over 60 (ours is 20% I THINK) and the population per square metre is significantly higher than our capital cities. We have all seas borders and can be almost self-reliant on food and essentials production. There is also a much higher 'touching'culture in Europe in comparison

We simply arent in the same situation as them, and shouldnt be reacting to the level they require.

So long as we spread out the effects of the virus so the health-care system isnt overwhelmed and our vulnerable are properly isolated and kept safe and keep our borders closed for long enough, Australia simply wont be hit as hard as other countries.

If he hinted at stopping testing I'll fight him though, if anything, we should have already looked at ways to start up production of our own testing kits. We started testing early per capita compared to other countries - keep that testing going at all costs

 

[Ysaye]

If he hinted at stopping testing I'll fight him though, if anything, we should have already looked at ways to start up production of our own testing kits. We started testing early per capita compared to other countries - keep that testing going at all costs

In listening to the PMs conference this morning, I don't think he was specifically hinting at stopping testing; at one point he passed over to the Chief Medical Officer who said that they would manufacture some kits to supplement the supply.

He was also questioned on why the entire cabinet had not been tested; he replied that they were seeking medical advice all the time (and that he was having regular checkups including yesterday evening), and that some had been tested because they had been advised to.