Is it time to get rid of Hawkins?

[longtimecat]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

Agree, Mooney is a bit player next year at best. Use him as back up ruck or forward or even CHB. or he plays seconds

 

[meto]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

We've got no talls, we're a team of mids, not enough thought has gone into the recruitment of key position players so he gets away with mediocrity

 

[darren forssman]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

We've got no talls, we're a team of mids, not enough thought has gone into the recruitment of key position players so he gets away with mediocraty

who are you referring to?

why dont you cut them the same slack you cut another player?

or you just playing favourites?

 

[Belisarius]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

Do not get rid of Pods - ridiculous idea. Best tall forward we had all year.

Think Johnson plays too much for free kicks these days as well.

However Hawkins needs to have a good year next season - as many are starting to doubt whether he will make it or not. I am one of those. Just has not done enough yet to convince me he has the goods.

He might but in 60 games - I do not think he has once really stood out or up - given his size. Maybe a new game plan would help him also.

I am praying he has a good pre-season and makes notable progress thru the 2001 season. He is a bit like Kosi for the Saints - but not quite as good. I think Kosi promises so much but has rarely delivered.

 

[AM]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

If anyone should make way, it's Mooney, not JPOD.

And that's not my bias, it's just true.

Agree. But JPod needs to work on his defensive pressure. He wasn't far behind Mooney as our worst performer in that area in the Prelim slaughter. Unfortunately the wise owls re-signed Moons for a further year a few weeks back. I hope they make him earn his place next year.

 

[meto]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

who are you referring to?

why dont you cut them the same slack you cut another player?

or you just playing favourites?

Hawkins - he's a CHF, but now is no clearer about his playing postion since spending 2010 trying to see if he was a ruckman, because playing 3 tallish forwards is a no no at Geelong.
I hope Mitch Brown can get going next year to put some pressure on Hawkins for Mooneys spot.

Mooney - Needs replacing by somebody, but who?

Rucks - We've got Dawson Simpson, the rest are either past it, not good enough, or going to another club. And we really don't know if Dorse will cut it yet.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

l can see why people are big hawks back. and he is kinda in the middle of the sandwich.going forward next the club really need to big tommy fit.he along with pods and mitch brown in the forward line with moons as a bit/support player.l have said before some tough calls need to be made,l don't the club will do many changes and the end of next season bomber will end the careers of moons,otto maybe ling when he leaves him self.l really want to see the young guys getting games so when moons and otto etc go the cats dont have all this kids with no games into them.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

Agree. But JPod needs to work on his defensive pressure. He wasn't far behind Mooney as our worst performer in that area in the Prelim slaughter. Unfortunately the wise owls re-signed Moons for a further year a few weeks back. I hope they make him earn his place next year.

Agree.

I know Pods defensive pressure could get better, never disagreed, I just keep making the point that the other 2 (Mooney and Hawkins) are no better in this area, so you wouldn't (or shouldn't) chop JPOD on the back of that. One thing also was clear to me watching the GF, and that is locking the ball in your forward 50 now is a team effort the way the game is, you can't isolate one or two players in this area, we need the smalls and the talls to be maniacal about it next year.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

Absolutely correct. Mooney was next to useless late in the season. Can't jump, doesn't lead much, and absolutely appalling conversion for a key forward.

Personally, I'd tell Mooney he's in the seconds unless Pods and Hawkins are injured. He doesn't offer anything right now that they can't provide.

Agree totally, I'm glad someone sees the light with me on this one...to be fair, I think Mooney's trying his hardest, I just look at his lack of spring etc, and his inability to cover the ground that he used to as a lead up option, and I worry that his body is nearing the end. But for all we know he's been carrying an injury and will be better after some time off. Time will tell. But yes I agree he shouldn't be a certain selection come 2011.

 

[Belisarius]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

Agree.

I know Pods defensive pressure could get better, never disagreed, I just keep making the point that the other 2 (Mooney and Hawkins) are no better in this area, so you wouldn't (or shouldn't) chop JPOD on the back of that. One thing also was clear to me watching the GF, and that is locking the ball in your forward 50 now is a team effort the way the game is, you can't isolate one or two players in this area, we need the smalls and the talls to be maniacal about it next year.

What are the chances of having the services of Rooke back next season ?

He adds some of that required frontal or forward line pressure.

We still need probably another quick forward as well. Being fanatical gets you part of the way - reading the ball well obviously helps - and then there is leg speed to get to the contest or opposition ball carrier. Not sure Stokes has that.

Have not seen Motlop - so not sure how quick he is or whether his body is right yet for the rigours of tough tackling.

 

[MachoRandySavage]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

Nor do most people on here unfortunately.

this.

 

[DanA]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

I'd go the other way. It's time to structure the forwardline aroud Hawkins. Make him the no.1 target every week and the game plan is to get him the ball with people at his feet.

 

[Ashb23]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

I'd go the other way. It's time to structure the forwardline aroud Hawkins. Make him the no.1 target every week and the game plan is to get him the ball with people at his feet.

ding, ding ding, we have a winner!

Hawk needs to be left at CHF. Time for him to shine....

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

What are the chances of having the services of Rooke back next season ?

He adds some of that required frontal or forward line pressure.

We still need probably another quick forward as well. Being fanatical gets you part of the way - reading the ball well obviously helps - and then there is leg speed to get to the contest or opposition ball carrier. Not sure Stokes has that.

Have not seen Motlop - so not sure how quick he is or whether his body is right yet for the rigours of tough tackling.

On Rooke, I think no one knows. He may play a full season next year, or he may have played his last game. I am sure the club will give him next year to find out.

I can tell you from first hand viewing that Motlop is super quick...Wojo quick, and he has that ability to change direction without losing balance, like Travis does. However Motlop is physically very slight and with the 2 shoulder ops already has the same questions over his body that Brown does. Time will tell if he holds up. Certainly in the future if we can replenish the forward line with guys like Motlop and Adam Varcoe and Christensen our defensive pressure will improve greatly.

 

[Vdubs]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

Absolutely correct. Mooney was next to useless late in the season. Can't jump, doesn't lead much, and absolutely appalling conversion for a key forward.

Personally, I'd tell Mooney he's in the seconds unless Pods and Hawkins are injured. He doesn't offer anything right now that they can't provide.

Have always said Mooney is our barometer. His delayed starts to seasons, and his declining performances reflect that again to some extent. Unless he's tearing it apart preseason, 2's until proven worthy of promotion. And I like Mooney a lot.

 

[Tommy the Cat]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

no its not time to get rid of him

 

[Skerret]

Re: Is It Time to get rid of Hawkins

I'd go the other way. It's time to structure the forwardline aroud Hawkins. Make him the no.1 target every week and the game plan is to get him the ball with people at his feet.

Exactly. Don't make him fight for his spot with 2 ageing players, give him the top job and leave him there. What he currently lacks is self belief, not ability. Early in the piece he tore it up because he was felt like he belonged and was clearly enjoying his football. Then, following his fitness issues, he was plagued by self doubt. Give him the responsibility of being the go-to forward and that sense of belonging might return. Sometimes a player will shine when they are given responsibility and he might be one of those. Ablett improved out of sight once he got serious about his fitness and was given a key midfield role.