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Don't really see the point. As long as the salary cap investigator does their job without fear or favour otherwise it is just ideal curiosity.
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Is it time to list player's salaries??
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If it makes you feel any better footy players earn only a fraction of what pro athletes in the States and Europe make in a season.
I rather players get rewarded for providing top flight entertainment than fat greasy campaigners like dimwit who are nothing more than glorified pimps who criminally got paid more than the best players in the game. *smh*
This is basic demand and supply, you realise AH? These guys are the elite of their respective sports and their talents bring about huge amount of revenue via tv contracts etc.. so it's only fair that they get their fair share of that pie.
didaksrightfoot
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I can see both sides to this, and the more I think about it, the more I think it would have to be something negotiated between the AFL and the AFLPA at the next collective bargaining agreement... if the players keep asking for a greater share of revenue (which they probably deserve) then this could be a chip for the AFL to use, because it does add a lot of excitement/analysis around free agency/contracts.
I do very much like the ability to see what contracts players are on in the NBA. It gives you a great idea of who is currently under/overvalued, which clubs appear to be making wise financial decisions, and a very clear idea of what your clubs salary cap position is at any point of the season, particularly in the leadup to offseason. Being able to have something like http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine gives fans an opportunity to get a better look at what is possible for your team... that would add a whole new element for the fans and media, as well as know clearly where a team is at. If your club/board repeatedly signs players to bad contracts, then I would really want to know about it.
I also think it could go a long way to adding some credibility to the AFL's salary cap system that has a history of clubs rorting it, either by explicitly breaking the rules, or by using external payments that, IMO, are not in the spirit of a "salary cap" and should never have been allowed. We could very clearly see what a player is officially getting paid - and if it is very obvious that a players salary is coming from outside the cap - then fans should be allowed to know about it.
However - I also agree that a lot of that is purely for entertainment purposes, and as long as we had trust in the AFL's own procedures that clubs misusing the salary cap system are being found out (but do we?), then I see the argument that it's not really a "right" that we hold as fans. And I could very much understand if the players, particularly in the context of earning less that some of their highly paid counterparts overseas, may not want this information public.
I do very much like the ability to see what contracts players are on in the NBA. It gives you a great idea of who is currently under/overvalued, which clubs appear to be making wise financial decisions, and a very clear idea of what your clubs salary cap position is at any point of the season, particularly in the leadup to offseason. Being able to have something like http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine gives fans an opportunity to get a better look at what is possible for your team... that would add a whole new element for the fans and media, as well as know clearly where a team is at. If your club/board repeatedly signs players to bad contracts, then I would really want to know about it.
I also think it could go a long way to adding some credibility to the AFL's salary cap system that has a history of clubs rorting it, either by explicitly breaking the rules, or by using external payments that, IMO, are not in the spirit of a "salary cap" and should never have been allowed. We could very clearly see what a player is officially getting paid - and if it is very obvious that a players salary is coming from outside the cap - then fans should be allowed to know about it.
However - I also agree that a lot of that is purely for entertainment purposes, and as long as we had trust in the AFL's own procedures that clubs misusing the salary cap system are being found out (but do we?), then I see the argument that it's not really a "right" that we hold as fans. And I could very much understand if the players, particularly in the context of earning less that some of their highly paid counterparts overseas, may not want this information public.
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Ridiculous idea.
Why doesn't the OP list his salary?
Why doesn't the OP list his salary?
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Should probably announce all salaries without the names and let people guess because it wouldn't be that hard and I think it would be slightly interesting
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Lol!! What about Natanui?? getting more than that and Wellingham has shown more
Why is everyone so concerned with the OP posting his salary?
Who the **** cares?
Im a student who earned 15.5k last year? Big deal
I want the salaries public. I hate people who are all private about that shit
Who the **** cares?
Im a student who earned 15.5k last year? Big deal
I want the salaries public. I hate people who are all private about that shit
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If thousands of people would be willing to pay good money to see a heart surgeon do his job then they would probably make as much as the top-paid footballers. It's as simple as that.
Ogopogo
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Publishing salaries helps the players negotiate - "If that guy makes $700,000, I should too - I am as good as him". It is fun for the fans but, really, it is a tool used by the players union.
Really, if you found that the guy who sits beside you and does the same job at work was making 20k more per year, would you not negotiate a pay increase? That is why employers want salaries to be secret.
Ive never understood the hoorah in Australia about what people earn. Alot of people lie about it, like people I've known forever have lied right to my face about it or stood me down like I'm asking about some super private shit.
I don't get it. Why is it such a big deal ?
everyone should have to tattoo it on their forehead do we know who's buying the next beers.
btw 88K last year.
Hold the applause.
I don't get it. Why is it such a big deal ?
everyone should have to tattoo it on their forehead do we know who's buying the next beers.
btw 88K last year.
Hold the applause.
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If player salaries do get published, the AFL should also provide everyone with a link to the current tax brackets as well, just for perspective.
Eg., Superstar Player X is listed as having a $1 million salary. As he's earning $180,001 and over, he'll be taxed $54,547, plus 45c for each $1 over $180,000, which means he's seeing only $576,453 all up. Sure, that's obviously nothing to sneeze at, but it's a fair hit on his stated salary.
Eg., Superstar Player X is listed as having a $1 million salary. As he's earning $180,001 and over, he'll be taxed $54,547, plus 45c for each $1 over $180,000, which means he's seeing only $576,453 all up. Sure, that's obviously nothing to sneeze at, but it's a fair hit on his stated salary.
The players don't negotiate, their managers do and they know full well the market rates.
I see no reason whatsoever for the players to be forced to reveal their salary.
Simply, it's none of their business.
I have no interest whatsoever in sharing my income with others.
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Telling people where you work is not the other person's business either - are people as uptight about that too?
Look at this thread. The vast majority want to know salary so they can judge the player on their worth. Why on Earth would anyone want to open themselves to that possible judgement when it's completely unnecessary. I'm not talking just footy players here. I have no interest sharing my income for that very reason. There's nothing to be gained from it so what's the point?
- Jun 16, 2012
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The player's salaries come are funded by sponsors, tv rights deals , memberships etc. all of which are driven by the consumers which is us the fans. My suggestion was not to name the players and their income , just for the clubs to list their salaries that they are paying not to whom.
The payers identities and privacy will be respected but the club's salary structure would be more transparent
Practically all salaries are driven by the consumer. The AFL is not unique.
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The afl is unique in the fact that it's consumer is the vast majority of the australian public and is watched by millions of people every week.
That is irrelevant.
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So you would have no interest at all at what salaries the eagles were paying?
Greater transperacy would only help deter cap cheating or discrepancies
Just list their home addresses. Then anyone that wants to know how much coin they have can go round, look in their windows and see the size of the players plasma.
JuddsABlue
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An argument can be made that members should know what the board are approving to pay players in the evaluation of their job success
ie if Carlton were paying Curnow 800k a year, the members would want some serious answers
The same can be said if they continue to pay Judd 800k+, the members may not be happy with that and could view it as fairly corrupt
As it currently stands, we dont really know what the club is doing with its salary cap and if its doing an effective job
ie if Carlton were paying Curnow 800k a year, the members would want some serious answers
The same can be said if they continue to pay Judd 800k+, the members may not be happy with that and could view it as fairly corrupt
As it currently stands, we dont really know what the club is doing with its salary cap and if its doing an effective job
Sure, but that doesn't justify them being forced to reveal their salary (whether it be anonymous or not).
No it doesn't. Contracts are complicated. Even if your idea was reality, we wouldn't receive the specifics. Furthermore, the most it could do is hold the AFL accountable but I don't see any evidence whatsoever that the AFL have been lenient on transgressions.
West Coast members have no voting rights. Their membership is essentially a season pass. So I don't see how they could have any justifiable reasons whatsoever to demand specifics on salary.
This isn't the case at all clubs but I hardly think you can have the rule for some but not for others.
PattoMan99
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Would be hilarious to see how much some of the spuds are on.
