Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Gavin Excell]

Evidently the hysterical reaction by Albo isnt enough. Presumably even the more extreme over-reactions by Dutton and Skynews isnt enough either.

Isn't it bipartisan policy to support the 2 state solution?

 

[treeebeard]

Isn't it bipartisan policy to support the 2 state solution?

Dutton policy is to divide and inflame.

I put him as partially responsible for the arson attack as he constantly refers to the Jewish community in relation to gaza. NJs like these arsonists seemingly can't separate the two.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

The stories out of Amsterdam and how everyone around the world fell over themselves to say the word Pogrom only to not bother to walk it back when it turned out the so-called victims were actually the perpetrators.

The lie travelled round the world twice before the truth even got out of bed.

Complaining about a "pogrom", while committing genocide. Truly shameless. Giving Trump lessons in shamelessness.

Bizarre reporting of that story lol, they've captured the world's media

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[QuietB]

Do we know anything about who did the attack yet?

 

[IlovethePies]

I have rewritten treeebeard's post to make it accord fully with my views (modifications in italics):

Dutton and Albanese's policy is to divide and inflame.

I put them as mostly responsible for the arson attack as they constantly refers to the Jewish community in relation to gaza. NJs like these arsonists seemingly can't separate the two.

The bipartisan rhetoric of the political establishment to conflate opposition to genocide with anti-Semitism is creating the conditions for genuine anti-Semites to commit acts of terror.

 

[Sttew]

Jillian Segal, the Australian government’s Special Envoy to Combat Antisemitism described the synagogue attack as proof of what happens when hate mixed with ignorance is let off the leash - “We have gone from weekly demonstrations morphing into antisemitism to demonstrations outside a synagogue in Victoria, to the daubing of cars in Wollahra with “**** Israel”. The next step is actually lighting up a synagogue. The cause is antisemitism which is hatred of Jews. That is the cause and that is what we haven’t been calling out and stopping in this country.”

‘An act of hate’: Counter-terrorism police to investigate synagogue firebombing

The attack – widely condemned as an act of antisemitism – caused extensive damage, gutting the building and leaving charred ruins, a tangle of wiring and a collapsed roof.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Saint Shags]

The attack on the synagogue in Melbourne yesterday is abhorrent, but Netanyahu can piss off with his linking of it to our country's international stance on Palestine.

Concentrate on your own shit contribution to the world mate. Not in any position to criticise other leaders.

And hiding behind criticism of Israel being antisemetic. He can **** right off.

 

[Markfs]

Isn't it bipartisan policy to support the 2 state solution?

i'm not sure about the Liberals because they normally follow what the Israelis prescribe and they dont agree to a Palestinian state

 

[Markfs]

Do we know anything about who did the attack yet?

I dont think so. They have a security cam pic

 

[Corn Cobbers]

And hiding behind criticism of Israel being antisemetic. He can **** right off.

Anything less than affording Israel carte blanche to do whatever they want is antisemitic

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[Markfs]

its like getting lessons in morality from chopper reid....

 

[treeebeard]

Jillian Segal, the Australian government’s Special Envoy to Combat Antisemitism described the synagogue attack as proof of what happens when hate mixed with ignorance is let off the leash - “We have gone from weekly demonstrations morphing into antisemitism to demonstrations outside a synagogue in Victoria, to the daubing of cars in Wollahra with “**** Israel”. The next step is actually lighting up a synagogue. The cause is antisemitism which is hatred of Jews. That is the cause and that is what we haven’t been calling out and stopping in this country.”

‘An act of hate’: Counter-terrorism police to investigate synagogue firebombing

The attack – widely condemned as an act of antisemitism – caused extensive damage, gutting the building and leaving charred ruins, a tangle of wiring and a collapsed roof.

www.theage.com.au

What a load of shit. If we were an antisemtic society, synagogues would have been burnt down repeatedly prior to the genocide.
Israel commits war crimes, politicians conflate Israel with judaism.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The attack on the synagogue in Melbourne yesterday is abhorrent, but Netanyahu can piss off with his linking of it to our country's international stance on Palestine.

Concentrate on your own shit contribution to the world mate. Not in any position to criticise other leaders.

If Albanese were to publicly respond with "F^%$ Off" he'd probably cement his re-election.

 

[Not Important]

people who do that are feral. no punishment would be too harsh.

 

[Not Important]

If Albanese were to publicly respond with "F^%$ Off" he'd probably cement his re-election.

agreed.

this

“Mr Prime Minister, could you please warn the terrorist state of Israel & the local zionist lobby to refrain from meddling in Australian affairs. Thanks.”

adam houda
@LawyerAdamHouda

 

[sr36]

Jillian Segal, the Australian government’s Special Envoy to Combat Antisemitism described the synagogue attack as proof of what happens when hate mixed with ignorance is let off the leash - “We have gone from weekly demonstrations morphing into antisemitism to demonstrations outside a synagogue in Victoria, to the daubing of cars in Wollahra with “**** Israel”. The next step is actually lighting up a synagogue. The cause is antisemitism which is hatred of Jews. That is the cause and that is what we haven’t been calling out and stopping in this country.”

‘An act of hate’: Counter-terrorism police to investigate synagogue firebombing

The attack – widely condemned as an act of antisemitism – caused extensive damage, gutting the building and leaving charred ruins, a tangle of wiring and a collapsed roof.

www.theage.com.au

There's little doubt that brutality by a section of a cultural group increases dislike, distrust or hatred of that cultural group and also increases the prevalence of thoughts turning into words and actions. We see it after brutality from Islamic groups and after brutality from the IDF.

There's also little doubt that Israel and supporters use the very real concept of antisemitism as propaganda to defend against very valid crisicism of the Israeli government's actions. This actually increases genuine antisemetic thoughts and actions as it enables criticism of ideas that are attacking a cultural group to be easily dismissed as Israeli propaganda.

In terms of cause an effect. Trying to blame the destruction of a synagogue on war protests is hiding the real cause: Pre-existing anti-Semitism fuelled by a barbaric massacre being run by a Jewish government.

If you want to reduce anti-Semitism, become an anti-war protestor. Bibi's war has inevitably caused the rise in and acceptance of anti-Semitism. It's a bonanza for neo-Nazis.

 

[Not Important]

and let’s not forget the corruption allegations.

 

[Not Important]

@susanbulhawa

 

[Sttew]

What a load of shit. If we were an antisemtic society, synagogues would have been burnt down repeatedly prior to the genocide.
Israel commits war crimes, politicians conflate Israel with judaism.

“If we were an antisemitic society”? The horse has bolted. Antisemitism is clearly on the rise. Attacks on Jews in Melbourne have risen. Why? Because the people perpetrating the hate crimes have become emboldened. Why? Read what Jillian Segal says…

Is it pure coincidence this has happened now? It’s the ****ing loonies committing the attacks in Melbourne and Sydney who are conflating what’s happening in Israel with Judaism. The Adass Jews are a hermit sect who didn’t do anything to deserve having their synagogue firebombed, except for being Jewish.

BTW, should Albo sack Jillian Segal? He appointed her as Spcial Envoy

 

[Not Important]

There's little doubt that brutality by a section of a cultural group increases dislike, distrust or hatred of that cultural group and also increases the prevalence of thoughts turning into words and actions. We see it after brutality from Islamic groups and after brutality from the IDF.

There's also little doubt that Israel and supporters use the very real concept of antisemitism as propaganda to defend against very valid crisicism of the Israeli government's actions. This actually increases genuine antisemetic thoughts and actions as it enables criticism of ideas that are attacking a cultural group to be easily dismissed as Israeli propaganda.

In terms of cause an effect. Trying to blame the destruction of a synagogue on war protests is hiding the real cause: Pre-existing anti-Semitism fuelled by a barbaric massacre being run by a Jewish government.

If you want to reduce anti-Semitism, become an anti-war protestor. Bibi's war has inevitably caused the rise in and acceptance of anti-Semitism. It's a bonanza for neo-Nazis.

it would be best if you distinguished between antisemitism and criticism of the israeli regime's occupation and genocide. it would also be helpful if more jews were prepared to speak out against the occupation and genocide like antony loewenstein, louise adler, josh bornstein, etc., but sadly and disgracefully, the powerful and influential zionist propaganda machine exacts a price for that.

 

[Markfs]

If Albanese were to publicly respond with "F^%$ Off" he'd probably cement his re-election.

Youre aware of the children's story "the Emperor's new clothes"?

The tale concerns an emperor who has an obsession with fancy new clothes, and spends lavishly on them, at the expense of state matters. One day, a lobby group visits the emperor's capital. Posing as weavers, they offer to supply him with magnificent clothes that are invisible to those who are anti-semitic or stupid. The gullible emperor hires them, and they set up looms and pretend to go to work. A succession of officials, starting with the emperor's wise and competent minister, and then ending with the emperor himself, visit them to check their progress. Each sees that the looms are empty but pretends otherwise to avoid being thought a fool or anti-semitic.

Finally, the weavers report that the emperor's suit is finished. They mime dressing him and he sets off in a procession before the whole city. The townsfolk uncomfortably go along with the pretense, not wanting to appear anti-semitic or stupid, until a child blurts out that the emperor is wearing nothing at all. The people then realize that everyone has been fooled. Although startled, the emperor continues the procession, walking more proudly than ever. The fate of the lobby is not revealed but evidently they end up in the promised land....

 

[sr36]

it would be best if you distinguished between antisemitism and criticism of the israeli regime's occupation and genocide. it would also be helpful if more jews were prepared to speak out against the occupation and genocide like antony loewenstein, louise adler, josh bornstein, etc., but sadly and disgracefully, the powerful and influential zionist propaganda machine exacts a price for that.

It's not that simple a divide. Israeli propagandists will falsely claim that all criticism of the war is mutually dependent on antisemitism. Many others will falsely claim that all criticism of Israel's war is mutually independent of antisemitism. But it's more of a Venn diagram than that. An anti war rally contains heaps who are solely protesting against a government's war, but it does also contain the weird versions of the Australian flag favoured by neo-nazi groups, as well as the drive them into the sea beliefs of some Islamic groups and regardless of your views of a two state solution, there is a lot of river to the sea chanting that goes on.

Some criticism of Israel's war is laced with anti-Semitism and some isn't. There does however tend to be a greater tolerance for anti-Semitism as you're on the same side for this issue and discriminatory thinking can br contagious.

A common enemy creates strange bedfellows - just as Iranian liberal intellectuals stood side by side with religious fanatics when they overthrew the Shah together.

 

[Markfs]

It's not that simple a divide. Israeli propagandists will falsely claim that all criticism of the war is mutually dependent on antisemitism. Many others will falsely claim that all criticism of Israel's war is mutually independent of antisemitism. But it's more of a Venn diagram than that. An anti war rally contains heaps who are solely protesting against a government's war, but it does also contain the weird versions of the Australian flag favoured by neo-nazi groups, as well as the drive them into the sea beliefs of some Islamic groups and regardless of your views of a two state solution, there is a lot of river to the sea chanting that goes on.

Some criticism of Israel's war is laced with anti-Semitism and some isn't. There does however tend to be a greater tolerance for anti-Semitism as you're on the same side for this issue and discriminatory thinking can br contagious.

A common enemy creates strange bedfellows - just as Iranian liberal intellectuals stood side by side with religious fanatics when they overthrew the Shah together.

i like the israeli approach towards the issue...you're either with us or not..... well i'm not

 

[Markfs]

It's not that simple a divide. Israeli propagandists will falsely claim that all criticism of the war is mutually dependent on antisemitism. Many others will falsely claim that all criticism of Israel's war is mutually independent of antisemitism. But it's more of a Venn diagram than that. An anti war rally contains heaps who are solely protesting against a government's war, but it does also contain the weird versions of the Australian flag favoured by neo-nazi groups, as well as the drive them into the sea beliefs of some Islamic groups and regardless of your views of a two state solution, there is a lot of river to the sea chanting that goes on.

Some criticism of Israel's war is laced with anti-Semitism and some isn't. There does however tend to be a greater tolerance for anti-Semitism as you're on the same side for this issue and discriminatory thinking can br contagious.

A common enemy creates strange bedfellows - just as Iranian liberal intellectuals stood side by side with religious fanatics when they overthrew the Shah together.

let me have a second take on this...

have you ever lived with a woman or a group of people and they're always complaining about you not cleaning up, or not putting out the garbage or not cleaning the shower etc etc, and it doesnt matter how much you try, it's NEVER good enough. And finally, you realise that you're sick of it and you're better off without them. You're happy that you're doing your fair share and you dont share their requirements. You dont want to see them anymore. You leave and you dont think twice about going back...

well thats how i feel about israel.

 

[schneebly111]

and let’s not forget the corruption allegations.

Wow - all 5 stories on the front page are an attack on the ALP. Usually the Oz throws in a single non anti-ALP story to appear credible but they’ve even dropped that facade