Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Blue1980]

well i think you would be in the minority. For example, I think a number of people who joined marches to support the ceasefire would have been shocked to be called anti-semitic and some of them might have decided not to raise their heads above the crowd in the future.

They call everyone anti semetic. Bernie sanders is anti semetic according to them.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

"Understanding antisemitism requires seeing beyond an exceptionalist narrative. It demands we recognise how racism works through an interconnected racial order that continually redraws boundaries of power and belonging. The Human Rights Commission’s recently released national anti-racism framework draws these links and gives us a solid plan to tackle all forms of racism across Australian society.”

Law and order crackdown won't make Jews safer

Jewish communities deserve real protection — not a false sense of security purchased at the expense of other marginalised groups.

www.crikey.com.au

Who benefits from an attack on the synagogue in Melbourne? - Pearls and Irritations

The synagogue attack, who is behind it? To answer this question, we must determine who benefits from this criminal act.

johnmenadue.com

There are all sorts of logic fails in the "you benefitted from it, you must have caused it " idea.
Maybe its a hint to look for evidence in that direction, but you still need the evidence.

 

[sr36]

"Fortunately there wasn't a ramping up of conspiracy theories about Muslims and their stealthy wealth having complete control of the media and government. That doesn't fit with archaic tropes of Islam. "

you can see how I was confused especially when most western media and gov't are in the back pocket of the lobby....

Apologies for confusing you. I was saying there aren't those conspiracy theories about Muslims. It's different tropes that the islamophobic use. Those particular conspiracy theories are about Jews and get repeated regularly without substantiation. Apparently, a Jew owning a business or the existence of a lobby group is all that is needed to prove that Jews own and insidiously control everything .

 

[sr36]

There are all sorts of logic fails in the "you benefitted from it, you must have caused it " idea.
Maybe its a hint to look for evidence in that direction, but you still need the evidence.

That whole article is a work of fiction and imagination without any basis in reality or history.

 

[Scotland]

I mean they have used it so much it’s parody at this point

There's a lot of that going around.

 

[Markfs]

Apologies for confusing you. I was saying there aren't those conspiracy theories about Muslims. It's different tropes that the islamophobic use. Those particular conspiracy theories are about Jews and get repeated regularly without substantiation. Apparently, a Jew owning a business or the existence of a lobby group is all that is needed to prove that Jews own and insidiously control everything .

it makes ya wonder why italians dont get the tropes...or the greeks.

but of course, society is just full of people like myself who make up things because we've got something against jewish people.

But of course, the fact is I admire the jewish people greatly. They are high achievers and get to positions of authority. And they assist each other with whatsapp groups etc which I just dont see in regular australian society. It's very admirable. I kind of wish everyday australians were more focused on achieving things and getting rid of people who stand in their way. We should really have goals of being a far bigger player than what we are, and we could think of taking back papua, for example, rather than doing footy deals with it. Not that soft diplomacy hasnt got its place, as free holidays would show, but we need to lean in more and just take things that we want. I think israel provides a template. Dont you agree?

 

[sr36]

it makes ya wonder why italians dont get the tropes...or the greeks.

but of course, society is just full of people like myself who make up things because we've got something against jewish people.

You're that far down the rabbit hole that you think the existence of a conspiracy theory is proof of that conspiracy theory.

Retrain your algorithm, society isn't "full of people like [your]self," crapping on about insidious Jewish complete control of the Australian media and Australian government - that's just the rabbit hole that you've got trapped into.

Unfortunately it's a growing rabbit hole due to disgust at the Israeli government and attempts by people like yourself to persuade others of the contents of your rabbit hole

 

[Markfs]

You're that far down the rabbit hole that you think the existence of a conspiracy theory is proof of that conspiracy theory.

Retrain your algorithm, society isn't "full of people like [your]self," crapping on about insidious Jewish complete control of the Australian media and Australian government - that's just the rabbit hole that you've got trapped into.

Unfortunately it's a growing rabbit hole due to disgust at the Israeli government and attempts by people like yourself to persuade others of the contents of your rabbit hole

nyeh what's up doc....

 

[Obeanie1]

The sad thing about all this is no-one wins a war.

Hamass has been obliterated.

Tens of thousands of innocents have been killed or displaced.

Billions in damage.

And Israel finishes becoming the terrorist state acting just like the terrorist organisations it hates so much.

And another entire generation of hate, pain and loss has been created that will produce the next generation of terrorists.

Nobody wins.

 

[Markfs]

The sad thing about all this is no-one wins a war.

Hamass has been obliterated.

Tens of thousands of innocents have been killed or displaced.

Billions in damage.

And Israel finishes becoming the terrorist state acting just like the terrorist organisations it hates so much.

And another entire generation of hate, pain and loss has been created that will produce the next generation of terrorists.

Nobody wins.

Wait until the new year. You will be pleasantly surprised

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I know that the Qatari gov't owns aljazeera. I thought that I had pretty good search skills but i cant find any islamic media of note in Western countries. I wonder how people could say that they have complete control of media and government..... Maybe I need to search some more. I dont really go to the dark web. I dont know how to.

Can you find any Christian news of note in Western Countries? Buddhist or Hindu news?
Why on earth would you want to filter news by religion?

 

[Obeanie1]

Wait until the new year. You will be pleasantly surprised

I won't be because tens of thousands of innocents civilians will still be dead. On both sides.

The West Bank and Gazza will still be destroyed.

And the next generation of terrorists, on both sides, will continue to hate each other. And in time it will all happen again.

What has been achieved?

 

[Jello_B]

You're that far down the rabbit hole that you think the existence of a conspiracy theory is proof of that conspiracy theory.

Retrain your algorithm, society isn't "full of people like [your]self," crapping on about insidious Jewish complete control of the Australian media and Australian government - that's just the rabbit hole that you've got trapped into.

Unfortunately it's a growing rabbit hole due to disgust at the Israeli government and attempts by people like yourself to persuade others of the contents of your rabbit hole

Entirely understandable when you observe the behaviour of governments and media towards Israel and what they are doing. Judaism being the dominant religion in Israel probably doesn’t help either.
I agree with your point though that we should avoid grouping a whole religion together. But I do find it staggering that normies are expected to be a) entirely word perfect in everything they say and b) to outwardly and immediately condemn vandalism as being a terrorist attack; when a genocide is happening…

 

[sr36]

But I do find it staggering that normies are expected to be a) entirely word perfect in everything they say and b) to outwardly and immediately condemn vandalism as being a terrorist attack; when a genocide is happening…

I'm not talking about word perfection. I'm talking about the blatant pushing of the conspiracy theory of Jews being an insidious group that controls everything. We've seen this conspiracy theory before. It died down for a long time but it's returning and being pushed more and more brazenly. I'd be shitting myself if I was Jewish, despite it not having had big ramifications yet in Australia.

And yes Israeli actions and using calls of anti Semitiism as a cover to try to dodge criticism is helping it return. But unlike the criticism of Israel, the conspiracy theory is actually antisemitic. It's the cornerstone of genuine anti-Semitism.

I agree with you about demands from politicians to label it as a terrorist attack. I think it's a disgrace. (Severity of the act though is not my issue with it. The burning of a synagogue or mosque or church is severe enough if the intention of terrorism was there)

Insistence on it being called a terrorist attack before an investigation, without a doubt results in the police being pressured to politicise their judgement. And it's not just semantics. Once the police have enough evidence to suspect it's a politically motivated terrorist act, it passes to an investigation with far greater investigative powers and far greater powers of detention.

Politicians make laws but they sure as hell shouldn't be sticking their nose into enforcing laws, particularly when it's so clearly for political purposes, which is what has happened here.

 

[Markfs]

we can have a terrorist definition for local arson....and a foreign definition for murdering 30,000 people.....

 

[Markfs]

I won't be because tens of thousands of innocents civilians will still be dead. On both sides.

The West Bank and Gazza will still be destroyed.

And the next generation of terrorists, on both sides, will continue to hate each other. And in time it will all happen again.

What has been achieved?

see thats just your point of view.... the destruction of gaza was required to construct the condos for settlers jetting in from the US..

and you wont have a next generation if you do a good job with the current genocide....

 

[Scotland]

What has been achieved?

A bunch of Westerners on the internet learned some new words. That's sadly it.

 

[Markfs]

Can you find any Christian news of note in Western Countries? Buddhist or Hindu news?
Why on earth would you want to filter news by religion?

you missed the point. SR made a post which looked clearly like an assertion that muslims were taking over media and gov't. He has since said that he was actually referring to jews but it looked tropey to me. Anyway, i responded by asking for more info.... because the muslim takeover was news to me.....so Christians werent a part of the discussion

 

[Markfs]

A bunch of Westerners on the internet learned some new words. That's sadly it.

And some westerners have got to mow the lawn...

 

[Markfs]

You're that far down the rabbit hole that you think the existence of a conspiracy theory is proof of that conspiracy theory.

Retrain your algorithm, society isn't "full of people like [your]self," crapping on about insidious Jewish complete control of the Australian media and Australian government - that's just the rabbit hole that you've got trapped into.

Unfortunately it's a growing rabbit hole due to disgust at the Israeli government and attempts by people like yourself to persuade others of the contents of your rabbit hole

Doctor! Doctor!...please help this poor man caught down a rabbit hole. He needs your incisive analysis and assistance with the prone position...

 

[Markfs]

Adjacent rabbit holes.

Soccer hooligans who barrack for different teams have enormous amounts in common.

metaphor overload.....

 

[sr36]

metaphor overload.....

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Apologies. I responded because I assumed it was just a video of Netanyahu spouting your sort of crap but about a different team - you doing your normal whattabout rubbish.

Ive now watched it. I agree with the vast majority of things he said. No idea why you'd liken yourself to him. He didn't go in with your rubbish. He didn't blame Jews for Australian politicians actions or Newscorp actions like you do. He made it very clear that he was anti Israel without bringing in the tropes beloved by nazi- Germany. He made it very clear that was against the pushing of anti-Semitism as well as being disgusted by Israeli Government actions. He doesn't appear to be down your rabbit hole

 

[Gavin Excell]

Another Trump appointment. Another brick in the wall. Brian Mast

Mast replied by doubling down and claiming that no Palestinian is innocent. “I would encourage the other side to not so lightly throw around the idea of innocent Palestinian civilians, as is frequently said,” Mast said. “I don’t think we would so lightly throw around the term ‘innocent Nazi civilians’ during World War II. It is not a far stretch to say there are very few innocent Palestinian civilians.”

Ironic when these israeli lovers refer to nazis. The supporters here will be happy with the appointment.

That is staggeringly bad understanding of history of Germany during ww2
It's actually offensive
I know he's American and they have a limited knowledge of history, but ffs

 

[Markfs]

That is staggeringly bad understanding of history of Germany during ww2
It's actually offensive
I know he's American and they have a limited knowledge of history, but ffs

I agree. He should fit in well with the israel administration.

 

[Markfs]

Apologies. I responded because I assumed it was just a video about Netanyahu - you doing your normal whattabout rubbish.

Ive now watched it. I agree with the vast majority of things he said. No idea why you'd liken yourself to him. He didn't go in with your rubbish. He didn't blame Jews for Australian politicians actions or Newscorp actions like you do. He made it very clear that he was anti Israel without bringing in the tropes beloved by nazi- Germany. He made it very clear that was against the pushing of anti-Semitism as well as being disgusted by Israeli actions. He doesn't appear to be down your rabbit hole

Two apologies in one day.....40,000 to go