Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Saint]

No idea where the idea that Trump won't get involved in the middle east , he was actively looking to attack Iran at the end of his presidency.
Netanyahu is playing a big game of chicken , if he does try and invade Lebanon and kickoff a stand off war with Iran then he will find his forces stretched. If they are fighting on the ground both in Gaza and Lebanon and also defending themselves from drone / missile strikes from the Houthis and Iran then there is a fair chance they will be reliant on US military aid to keep in the fight. Especially if the conflict drags on for any length of time.
Netanyahu is obsessed with retaining power at all costs. The Gaza conflict is stretching Israeli resources , a full blown invasion of southern Lebanon will stretch it even further , the economy will struggle due to the number of reservists called up let alone the dollar cost of keeping the military supplied. I don't think Netanyahu can do this without significant buy in from the US and significant ongoing military support.

In Lebanon, Israel will meet resistance with stretched supply lines. In Gaza, the troops could return to Israel in minutes. In Lebanon they'll be sleeping in recently invaded accommodation. It's a much larger enterprise and against a much better armed, equipped and supplied enemy. With supply routes and support from Turkey, Syria and Iraq, resistance will be a lot stronger. I expect Russia/Iran will also want to be testing out how to track and shoot down F-35's.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

No idea where the idea that Trump won't get involved in the middle east , he was actively looking to attack Iran at the end of his presidency.
Netanyahu is playing a big game of chicken , if he does try and invade Lebanon and kickoff a stand off war with Iran then he will find his forces stretched. If they are fighting on the ground both in Gaza and Lebanon and also defending themselves from drone / missile strikes from the Houthis and Iran then there is a fair chance they will be reliant on US military aid to keep in the fight. Especially if the conflict drags on for any length of time.
Netanyahu is obsessed with retaining power at all costs. The Gaza conflict is stretching Israeli resources , a full blown invasion of southern Lebanon will stretch it even further , the economy will struggle due to the number of reservists called up let alone the dollar cost of keeping the military supplied. I don't think Netanyahu can do this without significant buy in from the US and significant ongoing military support.

They're already moving forces out of Rafah, tanks and vehicles leaving apparently.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Places

Lol....ok twiter/X then...says it all.

 

[Not Important]

 

[Not Important]

the great antony is telling it how it is.

CNN interview on surging Israeli settler violence in the West Bank - Antony Loewenstein

My latest interview with CNN on the mainstreaming of anti-Palestinianism in Israel.

antonyloewenstein.com

 

[Saint]

Meanwhile, Israeli Brain continues at-pace.

Blow up the lead negotiator on the other side, then wonder why negotiations are dragging out. If they can just stay unified while they commit more atrocities to put pressure on the other side, then they might just release the hostages.

300 days in hell: It's time to bring the hostages home - editorial

After 300 days, Israel's military strikes Hamas leaders, yet hostage negotiations remain stalled. Will recent successes lead to a breakthrough deal?

www.jpost.com

Every additional atrocity is closer to having those hostages executed. Israel would have executed them already. They're raping people to death in custody and won't prosecute anyone even though it's on video. That's right, 6 people were acting in self defence against a restrained prisoner when they shoved a baton so far up him that they broke his ribs and ruptured his bowel. And we're supposed to believe the other side are the monsters?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Trump would likely only escalate things further, Harris seems to be Biden 2.0 on the middle east imo.

Giant Douche. Turd Sandwich. Things are escalating no matter who takes charge.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

In Lebanon, Israel will meet resistance with stretched supply lines. In Gaza, the troops could return to Israel in minutes. In Lebanon they'll be sleeping in recently invaded accommodation. It's a much larger enterprise and against a much better armed, equipped and supplied enemy. With supply routes and support from Turkey, Syria and Iraq, resistance will be a lot stronger. I expect Russia/Iran will also want to be testing out how to track and shoot down F-35's.

You know that the F-35 can hit targets in Beirut without entering Lebanon Airspace?

Of course the Israeli air force have special modified F35's designed to miss their target and hit the maximum number of civilians. Play the Brittney Spears song boys..

 

[Saint]

You know that the F-35 can hit targets in Beirut without entering Lebanon Airspace?

Of course the Israeli air force have special modified F35's designed to miss their target and hit the maximum number of civilians. Play the Brittney Spears song boys..

I meant as they flew over Syria towards Iran.

Iran can produce more missiles, rockets and drones than Israel can produce interceptors and the Iron Dome interceptors are for rockets, not cruise missiles and drones. Without the long distance of being fired from Iran and a massive international effort, the last wave of retaliation from Iran would have caused more damage. If it were launched from Syria or Lebanon, the damage to Israel would be huge.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

I meant as they flew over Syria towards Iran.

Iran can produce more missiles, rockets and drones than Israel can produce interceptors and the Iron Dome interceptors are for rockets, not cruise missiles and drones. Without the long distance of being fired from Iran and a massive international effort, the last wave of retaliation from Iran would have caused more damage. If it were launched from Syria or Lebanon, the damage to Israel would be huge.

no one is worried about Iran on their own. least of all Israel

Their military still fly's the F14 tomcat lol

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

no one is worried about Iran on their own. least of all Israel

Their military still fly's the F14 tomcat lol

Israel cannot defeat Iran. They'll be lucky to defeat Hezbollah without using nuclear weapons.

Probably moot because Iran will intervene if they go into Lebanon.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Israel cannot defeat Iran. They'll be lucky to defeat Hezbollah without using nuclear weapons.

Probably moot because Iran will intervene if they go into Lebanon.

If it wasn't for the power keg it would ignite in the area Israel would smoke both off the surface of the planet if they just unleashed.

Israels military capability is FAR beyond both of those.

There aren't many other countries on earth who spend more on their military as a % of their GDP than Israel does + they get all the latest defence tech directly from the USA.

A squadron of Israeli F35A jets could take out Irans entire air force.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

If it wasn't for the power keg it would ignite in the area Israel would smoke both off the surface of the planet if they just unleashed.

Israels military capability is FAR beyond both of those.

There aren't many other countries on earth who spend more on their military as a % of their GDP than Israel does + they get all the latest defence tech directly from the USA.

A squadron of Israeli F35A jets could take out Irans entire air force.

It seems you're thinking of this like some kind of Top Gun situation?

I think you're underestimating Iranian ballistic missile and drone production capacity, supplies and support. They can overwhelm Israels defences, if not through volume then through grind.

If Iran were to strike preemptively the Israeli air force likely wouldnt get off the ground. If they fly sorties into Iran they will have to land somewhere else.

Israel has less than 10 million people, total. Iran has 88 million, and tens of millions more surrounding who would very much enjoy an opportunity to engage Israel. The casualties would be horrific of course, but the numbers are there.

The IDF were stretched just trying to control Gaza. They don't have anywhere near the manpower to do anything to Iran.

Their economy is already in the toilet.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

It seems you're thinking of this like some kind of Top Gun situation?

I think you're underestimating Iranian ballistic missile and drone production capacity, supplies and support. They can overwhelm Israels defences, if not through volume then through grind.

If Iran were to strike preemptively the Israeli air force likely wouldnt get off the ground. If they fly sorties into Iran they will have to land somewhere else.

Israel has less than 10 million people, total. Iran has 88 million, and tens of millions more surrounding who would very much enjoy an opportunity to engage Israel. The casualties would be horrific of course, but the numbers are there.

The IDF were stretched just trying to control Gaza. They don't have anywhere near the manpower to do anything to Iran.

Their economy is already in the toilet.

manpower doesn't win wars. Israel, even though has 1/8 the population Iran does, spends 3-4 times Iran on defence each year. 8 Billion to something like 26 Billion.

technology wins wars largely, air force technology - not manpower.

Large parts of Irans war system has 30–40 year old American tech in it. Stuff that is still running of analog.

It wouldn't last a week in a direct 1v1 war with Israel.

Pretty laughable to suggest Iran is some kind of military power lol - first i have seen that claimed anywhere, even by the most anti IDF.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

manpower doesn't win wars. Israel, even though has 1/8 the population Iran does, spends 3-4 times Iran on defence each year. 8 Billion to something like 26 Billion.

technology wins wars largely, air force technology - not manpower.

Large parts of Irans war system has 30–40 year old American tech in it. Stuff that is still running of analog.

It wouldn't last a week in a direct 1v1 war with Israel.

Pretty laughable to suggest Iran is some kind of military power lol - first i have seen that claimed anywhere, even by the most anti IDF.

How do you expect Israel to win this war, and what will be the state of play afterward?

 

[HirdsTheWord]

How do you expect Israel to win this war, and what will be the state of play afterward?

I am speaking specifically in a 1v1 with Iran. Israel win that 100/100

In regard to what's going on now will never be "won", by anyone.

Jews & Arabs will either learn to live with each other, or they keep killing each other forever.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

I am speaking specifically in a 1v1 with Iran.

In regard to what's going on now will never be "won", by anyone.

They either learn to live with each other, or they keep killing each other forever.

You're saying Israel would win a 1v1 like their dad is tougher or something. What would Israel consider a victory? Use their superior jets to scratch Tehran? Blow up some government buildings and mosques then dance around in celebration?

They won't get to Iran's 9000+ underground ballistic missile stocks, as estimate by US Central Command.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

You're saying Israel would win a 1v1 like their dad is tougher or something. What would Israel consider a victory? Use their superior jets to scratch Tehran? Blow up some government buildings and mosques then dance around in celebration?

They won't get to Iran's 9000+ underground ballistic missile stocks, as estimate by US Central Command.

If you want to just take it to extreme hypothetical.

They just drop a few nukes on Iran.

Iran is not Nuclear, as of yet.

Israel (with US assistance) is in the process of R&D on its iron dome system to be capable of taking down Ballistics rockets.

Until Iran is also nuclear, they are no match for Israel in terms of military capability.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

If you want to just take it to extreme hypothetical.

They just drop a few nukes on Iran.

Iran is not Nuclear, as of yet.

Israel (with US assistance) is in the process of R&D on its iron dome system to be capable of taking down Ballistics rockets.

Until Iran is also nuclear, they are no match for Israel in terms of military capability.

Yeah there's no way they do that.

 

[Saint Shags]

They just drop a few nukes on Iran.

But if Israel is so militarily advanced why the need for nukes? This being hypothetical.

There is a reason why such weapons have been primarily deterrent in nature. If they were to launch the nukes wouldn't stop!

 

[Sarcoidevo]

It seems you're thinking of this like some kind of Top Gun situation?

I think you're underestimating Iranian ballistic missile and drone production capacity, supplies and support. They can overwhelm Israels defences, if not through volume then through grind.

If Iran were to strike preemptively the Israeli air force likely wouldnt get off the ground. If they fly sorties into Iran they will have to land somewhere else.

If that's the case .... then why aren't Iran doing it?

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

If that's the case .... then why aren't Iran doing it?

Why isn't every possible thing happening at any one time?

Probably because, unlike what many would have us believe, Iranians don't spend their lives thinking about the destruction of Israel 24/7.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Why isn't every possible thing happening at any one time?

Probably because, unlike what many would have us believe, Iranians don't spend their lives thinking about the destruction of Israel 24/7.

It seems the Iran regime don't have many friends in the region at all ..... plenty of enemies inside their own country as well

 

[Saint]

It seems the Iran regime don't have many friends in the region at all

Because Saudi's leaders wouldn't mind seeing Iran, and their Houthi rebels being taken down a notch, but they can't be seen to be thinking this publicly.

If Iran launched 2,000 drones and missiles from Lebanon/Syria, Israel's air force and air bases would be decimated. There's only 10 airbases over a relatively small area.

Though Israel have managed to hide them in civilian areas (at least that's what they'd claim if Hamas had airbases like Ben Gurion (Lod) and Tel Nof).

Nobody wins in war. Even if Israel won a battle in Lebanon with Iran's proxies, Iran are edging closer and closer to nuclear weapons and are more and more aligned with Russia who will be just about desperate enough to sell one to them if they can't develop their own. Israel are biting off way more than they can chew.

 

[Blue1980]

It seems you're thinking of this like some kind of Top Gun situation?

I think you're underestimating Iranian ballistic missile and drone production capacity, supplies and support. They can overwhelm Israels defences, if not through volume then through grind.

If Iran were to strike preemptively the Israeli air force likely wouldnt get off the ground. If they fly sorties into Iran they will have to land somewhere else.

Israel has less than 10 million people, total. Iran has 88 million, and tens of millions more surrounding who would very much enjoy an opportunity to engage Israel. The casualties would be horrific of course, but the numbers are there.

The IDF were stretched just trying to control Gaza. They don't have anywhere near the manpower to do anything to Iran.

Their economy is already in the toilet.

Am I seriously reading that Hirdy thinks Israel would smoke Iran and Hezbollah on their own, without US funding or help?

Wtf reality does Hirdy live in.