Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Not Important]

 

[rdhopkins2]

Trump says he’s expecting an attack by Iran on Israel. I hope not.

 

[rdhopkins2]

Certainly there have been antisemitic issues in Melbourne. Much like there have been antiPalestine issues.

Abramovich is always the first to whinge about things being anti-Jewish but always the last to recognise that other cultures often have bigotry directed towards them.

Why can’t everyone just get along and look out for each other?

 

[Chief]

it’s part of the israeli diaspora’s racism and disinformation. it’s what they do. the fact that the mainstream media propagandists do no checking is the outrage. they are culpable.

of course, abramovich runs for cover rather than having the guts to fess up to his fear-mongering and lies.

Please drop extra context in, NI.

eg:

This was passed around as a picture of a Hamas flag.



It was examined by 5 Islamic experts who say, no it's a flag carried every year in a religious event:




That Ashura procession was on the same day.



Everyone is now pointing the fingers at each other or not returning emails.

3AW scuttle off like the crabs they are.

 

[Saint]

Certainly there have been antisemitic issues in Melbourne. Much like there have been antiPalestine issues.

Abramovich is always the first to whinge about things being anti-Jewish but always the last to recognise that other cultures often have bigotry directed towards them.

Why can’t everyone just get along and look out for each other?

Abramovich is a Jewish Supremacist, most of these Jewish organisations are actually Jewish supremacist groups. They're more concerned with Jewish exceptionalism than racism and bigotry.

It's why they never recognise, or advocate against, racism and bigotry unless it's directed towards Jews.

Not all Jews. But all the vocal Jewish organisations getting airtime are mostly supremacy groups. Many, such as the AJA, raise money for ethnic cleansing groups in the West Bank.

 

[Not Important]

.....an independent Palestinian state is the most attainable way, if not the only way, to restore integrity and dignity to the Palestinian people while maintaining a minimum standard of order

Justice movements operate on multiple levels, each level with its own strategies and discourse. Reconciling those strategies and discourses internally is difficult; movements may come undone in the process. The challenge lies in marshalling global solidarity with the Palestinian people towards action without enervating that movement. Recognition of a Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza, if conceived of as a return to the territorial status quo resulting from the nakba, hardly fits a zeitgeist that demands a radically reimagined, post-Zionist future for Palestinians and Israelis which is restitutive of the nakba. But the Revisionist and Messianic Zionists who govern Israel are hurling Palestinians and Israelis towards that radically-reimagined future regardless. While recognition is a worthwhile and necessary appeal to public order, justice will still have its day. The Palestinians and all who stand in solidarity with them, regardless of ideology, have a role to play in delivering it.

On Recognition

The decades-long campaign for recognition of a Palestinian state on the 1967-occupied territory meets the international system, however flawed, where it is. Its selling point is simple: an independent Palestinian state is the most attainable way, if not the only way, to restore integrity and...

verfassungsblog.de

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Russia are invading another land with plans of conquering it (like israel). They arent just starting a war with another country to overthrow a government which is already causing problems like the usa against iraq when they invaded kuwait or the taliban in afghanistan who were gross violaters of human rights against woman and were harboring a terrorist who murdered thousands on us soil. There is a big difference between the us and russia (israel and russia not so much right now)

Wow, are you claiming the US invaded these countries for the good of their people??

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Trump says he’s expecting an attack by Iran on Israel. I hope not.

USA intelligence is warning of a likely attack against Israel from Hezbollah & Iran within days.

Trumps not dumb, he's just calling the sky blue.

 

[Number37]

Israel is running out of their iron dome rockets, and had to acquire some from the US. They ran out of bombs to drop from planes and tank shells. That was against 40,000 guerilla fighters within 10km of Israel. What are they going to do against 200,000 well armed and supplied fighters in Lebanon. Plus, as soon as they step into Lebanon, every Jihadi without a cause across the whole region will flock to Lebanon to fight. Hezbollah will be recruiting faster than Israel can kill them all while rockets, drones and missiles rain down on Tel Aviv.

Israel will undoubtedly kill more people, they'll bomb entire blocks of Lebanon and create another generation of hatred but they will achieve the opposite of what Netanyahu says he wants: safety and security.

Netanyahu isn't wanting to achieve safety and security. That is a myth perpetuated by the cowards who support Israel.
Netanyahu wants to slaughter every Palestinian and steal all Palestinian land.

 

[Saint]

I guess the celebrations over killing Haniyeh can stop now that Sinwar is the new boss.

Now they have to negotiate with somebody whom they don't even know where they are.

Haniyeh was probably the only reason Sinwar hadn't been executing the hostages. Will be interesting to see if anything changes.

How are the hostage families so muted as their family members move further and further from safety?

 

[QuietB]

Netanyahu isn't wanting to achieve safety and security. That is a myth perpetuated by the cowards who support Israel.
Netanyahu wants to slaughter every Palestinian and steal all Palestinian land.

Meashiemer breaks it down into 4 options for Israel;

1. Create a single democratic state - not an option for Netanyahu because Israel would not have the numbers in a democracy.
2. Create an independent Palestinian state - not an option for Netanyahu on ideological grounds.
3. Apartheid - this is what they have been doing and Netanyahu knows he cannot do this forever - the international community will eventually stop support.
4. Ethnic cleansing to allow a single Israeli state incorporating Palestine.

Netanyahu has chosen option 4 and the USA is allowing him to do it while Israel hides behind their UN veto.

This strategy is failing though. But option 1 and 2 will not be considered by Netanyahu - so there will be war. It is just a matter of who is involved and how big that war is.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

They actually dug up a cemetery, because they wanted a hole there, and threw the bodies into the container. Kind of morbid really.

 

[Saint]

Not as morbid as this. They're like the Republicans. When they tell you they're the worlds' most moral army, it's because they're the least. Hamas treated all of their prisoners better than this.

 

[Not Important]

the rogue regime still owns the joint. the media too. without the yanks, israel would not have been able to commit decades of war crimes. terrorism, and now genocide.

 

[Saint]

the rogue regime still owns the joint. the media too. without the yanks, israel would not have been able to commit decades of war crimes. terrorism, and now genocide.

Cori Bush just got Primaried for the Democrats after AIPAC spent over $3m on a primary contest against her for authoring the ceasefire proposal in the House.

Wesley Bell got the AIPAC money. He's the kind of guy who would have sold escaped slaves back to their plantation owners for money.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Not as morbid as this. They're like the Republicans. When they tell you they're the worlds' most moral army, it's because they're the least. Hamas treated all of their prisoners better than this.

I don't find that morbid. Perverted, not morbid.

 

[Number37]

Meashiemer breaks it down into 4 options for Israel;

1. Create a single democratic state - not an option for Netanyahu because Israel would not have the numbers in a democracy.
2. Create an independent Palestinian state - not an option for Netanyahu on ideological grounds.
3. Apartheid - this is what they have been doing and Netanyahu knows he cannot do this forever - the international community will eventually stop support.
4. Ethnic cleansing to allow a single Israeli state incorporating Palestine.

Netanyahu has chosen option 4 and the USA is allowing him to do it while Israel hides behind their UN veto.

This strategy is failing though. But option 1 and 2 will not be considered by Netanyahu - so there will be war. It is just a matter of who is involved and how big that war is.

It's not up to Israel what happens to the Palestinian people and their land.
It never has been.
A Palestinian state will be created and the Israelis will bleat like stuck pigs.

 

[QuietB]

It's not up to Israel what happens to the Palestinian people and their land.
It never has been.
A Palestinian state will be created and the Israelis will bleat like stuck pigs.

It is while Israel occupies Palestine and no one does anything to stop them.

 

[blackcat]

esteemed commentator offered instinct Bibi is cia

he was Architecture student in BostoncambridgeMass and as Chomsky says MiT balls deep in DARPA projects and Bibi may have got yellowcake to Damona compared to Pollard who got time in Fed penitentiary

things ain't what they seem

put money on kilkullen providing petraeus-like advice

 

[blackcat]

It's not up to Israel what happens to the Palestinian people and their land.
It never has been.
A Palestinian state will be created and the Israelis will bleat like stuck pigs.

Thucydides aphorism

yes heartless , but time borne out in history , and the diaspora and Israelis know millenia history too

English protto's in the C19 were first zionists before Hertzel

history and conflict cannot be rendered to a discrete start date

all the West have their fingers in the pie that is Israel but blame sheeted home to but one source

 

[Saint]

It's undeniable that we haven't seen these levels of genocidal intent from a population, like we're seeing from Israel, since Rwanda.....

Link was satire, but everything I'm seeing and hearing from Israel is supportive/confirms that Israel is not doing anything to stop their soldiers raping, starving and not even bothering to lay charges against prisoners they're taking.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

It's undeniable that we haven't seen these levels of genocidal intent from a population, like we're seeing from Israel, since Rwanda.....

This has now been labelled as satire.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

This has now been labelled as satire.

The TV show did debate this issue. Half the panel did argue for the yes side.

But dont think there was an audience poll.

 

[Saint]

This has now been labelled as satire.

Really?

Scroll down to the comments section on this fairly weak article which just barely suggests that if you want to call yourself the most moral army in the world that you should just maybe not allow rape and torture in your prisons.

Or view the mass protests which followed the arrest.

It's the overwhelming view of Israelis that nobody should be punished for the rape of prisoners.

The importance of a judicial process against soldiers suspected of torturing terrorists - opinion

The very existence of a judicial process against soldiers suspected of torturing terrorist detainees in Israel is one of the most important things happening in the IDF right now.

www.jpost.com

https://www.btselem.org/publications/202408_welcome_to_hell

 

[SaintsSeptember]

It's undeniable that we haven't seen these levels of genocidal intent from a population, like we're seeing from Israel, since Rwanda.....

Yeahhh the news lies, you only get the truth from social media ...yeahhhh.