Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Sqotty from office works]

Nah,

The US has already said they will defend Israel against an attack from Iran etc.

I agree they won't back an offensive, but they will 100% act to protect Israels population.

Isreal and Saudi Arabia will be defended by America under every circumstance.
No president will stop that.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Isreal and Saudi Arabia will be defended by America under every circumstance.
No president will stop that.

yep.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

doesn't matter how you define it. it only matters how Hezbollah define it. You can read their 1985 manifesto if you wish...it's pretty clear what they want.

In 1985 South Lebanon was still under Israeli military occupation. A forthright response to that would be understandable even if not condoned from the world outside Lebanon.

They've changed their rhetoric over the years. This from 2009;

Hezbollah’s Latest Mission

Beirut, Lebanon In February, 1985, when Hezbollah first held a press conference to announce its official mission statement, the Lebanese civil war was in …

www.newyorker.com

December 2, 2009

...The latest model of Hezbollah is nothing if not politically savvy, and its new manifesto was almost designed to avoid making headlines. There was no reference to an Islamic revolution. Nasrallah spoke in conciliatory terms about his Lebanese political opponents, and called for the end of sectarian divisions in the country. He criticized the conflation of “terrorism” with “resistance”; only the latter, he said, had “legitimacy.” Speaking of Israel, he said, “Our problem with them is not because they are Jewish. Our problem is because they have taken over Palestine.” These lines were not in the original text, and Nasrallah looked straight into the camera while speaking them.

Nasrallah was also clear in his military intentions. “The history of the Arab-Israeli conflict proves that armed struggle and military resistance is the best way of ending the occupation,” he said at one point. “We categorically reject any compromise with Israel or recognizing its legitimacy.” He reserved some particularly harsh rhetoric for the United States, blaming it for complicity in all of Israel’s actions. “American terror is the root of all terror in the world,” he said...

 

[JayJ20]

Netanyahu wants the US engaging in combat in the next 5 weeks. The US public doesn't. If Biden were forced to commit forces then that's an election win for Trump, whom Netanyahu wants in power as he's more friendly.

The next 5 weeks will be some of the most critical in history as Netanyahu desperately tries everything to get his man into the White House

I'd say both sides are pretty friendly with Netanyahu because both sides are funded by AIPAC. For them, it doesn't really matter whether Trump or Kamala becomes president because they're both bought.

Trump's campaign so far has been anti-war and "the Democrats are starting WWIII and I will prevent it" but we all know that's BS when it comes to the Israelis. Netanyahu knows that both Trump and Kamala will go to war on their behalf which is why he's comfortable with starting a regional war. AIPAC have done the job for him.

My theory is that they will start a regional war and successfully bait Iran into getting involved within the first year of Trump or Kamala's presidency. This will then bring the US into the war with Iran, which may then bring Russia into the war for a full-scale WWIII.

 

[sr36]

Name the "major super powers (that) will be backing Israel"

There's only 3 countries that could possibly be given that title and 2 of them won't be backing Israel.

 

[QuietB]

Trump is no supporter of war right now and neither is Kamala especially in the middle east.

only way the USA gets involved is if Iran does something stupid.

Trump is unconditional support for Israel and will allow them to continue to do whatever they want.

If Israel is allowed to continue with impunity there are only possible outcomes;

1. Much bigger and wider conflict including the USA
2. If the USA abstains, Israel will be destroyed

Netanyahu must be stopped - at some point Biden has to turn them off. And he can

 

[QuietB]

I'd say both sides are pretty friendly with Netanyahu because both sides are funded by AIPAC. For them, it doesn't really matter whether Trump or Kamala becomes president because they're both bought.

Trump's campaign so far has been anti-war and "the Democrats are starting WWIII and I will prevent it" but we all know that's BS when it comes to the Israelis. Netanyahu knows that both Trump and Kamala will go to war on their behalf which is why he's comfortable with starting a regional war. AIPAC have done the job for him.

My theory is that they will start a regional war and successfully bait Iran into getting involved within the first year of Trump or Kamala's presidency. This will then bring the US into the war with Iran, which may then bring Russia into the war for a full-scale WWIII.

Jeez I wish Turkey would get involved.

That is probably the only action that can force the USA's hand for good.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Trump is unconditional support for Israel and will allow them to continue to do whatever they want.

If Israel is allowed to continue with impunity there are only possible outcomes;

1. Much bigger and wider conflict including the USA
2. If the USA abstains, Israel will be destroyed

Netanyahu must be stopped - at some point Biden has to turn them off. And he can

Thats great and all but none of this is relevant to what was posted.

What was said that Trump nor Kamala won't put US boots on the ground to support an Israel offensive based on his current stance on wars the US supports, now what they allow Israel to do on their own (with US support like funding etc) is completely and utterly irrelevant to that point

 

[Sarcoidevo]

This is a war that's been simmering for over 2000 years .... the hatred is totally and absolutely ingrained between certain ethnic groups in the Levant region

I doubt there will ever be peace

 

[Ghost Patrol]

This is a war that's been simmering for over 2000 years .... the hatred is totally and absolutely ingrained between certain ethnic groups in the Levant region

I doubt there will ever be peace

Israel was created in 1948

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Israel was created in 1948

So the Kingdom of Judah never existed all those millenia ago?

Hey .... we all want peace .... but seeds of hatred have been sown over many centuries not just since 1948 ..... there is no straightforward simple solution here especially when both sides resort to violence

Palestinian Arabs are pissed they have been pushed out and marginslised in the region in recent times and Israelite Jews are pissed off that they were pushed out numerous times in historical times ...... everyone has claim but no one wants to give an inch.

 

[JayJ20]

This is a war that's been simmering for over 2000 years .... the hatred is totally and absolutely ingrained between certain ethnic groups in the Levant region

I doubt there will ever be peace

No it hasn't. Jews were living peacefully under Muslim rule for centuries, including in Palestine. In fact, there are protections for Jews and Christians within Islamic Law when living in Islamic States. Contrary to the popular narrative in the west, Muslims, Christians and Jews can peacefully co-exist as it happened numerous times across the Levant.

What makes the Palestinian issue almost untenable is the continued Western interference in Middle Eastern politics.

If Zionists who immigrated to Palestine as far back as the mid 1800s came to Palestine and lived alongside the Jews, Muslims and Christians that were already living there without imposing their views onto the rest, then Palestine wouldn't be the way it is today.

The common narrative is that the Israeli state was created as a necessity to safeguard Jewish lives from the events of WWII, but the Balfour Declaration was made in 1917 when Zionists had already immigrated to Palestine seeking to make Palestine a Jewish state despite them being a minority group. They were a minority group even during the 1940s.

Western interference in Middle Eastern politics is the root of most of the instability we see across the Middle East, the biggest of which is the creation of the Israeli state. Another method of contributing to instability in the region is arming rebel groups or groups they deem to be terrorists. See how the Israelis supported Hamas to defeat the Palestinian authority. Also see what happened in Libya in the early 2010s.

 

[faible]

I mean do you honestly think there’s world wide support for terrorists groups like Hamas and Hezbolah lol if this thing escalates which it looks like doing all the major super powers will be backing Israel and by extension the country most of you living in will as well, what are you going to do then.

And did i just read i hope Hezbolah give a good account of them themselves christ.

Israel keep doing terrorist things. They keep committing war crimes. They keep committing crimes against humanity. They keep violating IHL and IHRL.

The IDF is every bit as much a terrorist organisation as Hamas or Hezbollah. They're just better armed.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

No it hasn't. Jews were living peacefully under Muslim rule for centuries, including in Palestine. In fact, there are protections for Jews and Christians within Islamic Law when living in Islamic States. Contrary to the popular narrative in the west, Muslims, Christians and Jews can peacefully co-exist as it happened numerous times across the Levant.

What makes the Palestinian issue almost untenable is the continued Western interference in Middle Eastern politics.

If Zionists who immigrated to Palestine as far back as the mid 1800s came to Palestine and lived alongside the Jews, Muslims and Christians that were already living there without imposing their views onto the rest, then Palestine wouldn't be the way it is today.

The common narrative is that the Israeli state was created as a necessity to safeguard Jewish lives from the events of WWII, but the Balfour Declaration was made in 1917 when Zionists had already immigrated to Palestine seeking to make Palestine a Jewish state despite them being a minority group. They were a minority group even during the 1940s.

Western interference in Middle Eastern politics is the root of most of the instability we see across the Middle East, the biggest of which is the creation of the Israeli state.

So you still ignore historical times before rhe rise of Islam?

Times when Jews weren't the minority group in the area

When the discussing the rights of indigenous Australians .... 30,000 years of occupation is always used as an argument point but in the Levant we dismiss times that pre-date Muslim rule?

So only the last 1000 years count?

Thr history of the Levant is a mind spinning mess .... conquer ... divide .... conquer .... divide ... conquer .... divide .... many ethnic groups lay claim and rightly so.

Maybe if the Arab League back in 1948 accepted the establishment of a UN mandated Jewish Home State in the region then peace may have endured .... but they didn't (and they had their reasons) but here we are

Maybe if World War 1 or World War 2 didn't happen then we wouldn't be here either

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Israel keep doing terrorist things. They keep committing war crimes. They keep committing crimes against humanity. They keep violating IHL and IHRL.

The IDF is every bit as much a terrorist organisation as Hamas or Hezbollah. They're just better armed.

Yes at the moment for sure

 

[Present Not Past]

Extend the southern Lebanese border down into northern Israel.
Move the Palestinians into there and hand the ruins of Gaza to the Israelis.
It’s what they all deserve.

 

[JayJ20]

So you still ignore historical times before rhe rise of Islam?

Times when Jews weren't the minority group in the area

When the discussing the rights of indigenous Australians .... 30,000 years of occupation is always used as an argument point but in the Levant we dismiss times that pre-date Muslim rule?

So only the last 1000 years count?

Thr history of the Levant is a mind spinning mess .... conquer ... divide .... conquer .... divide ... conquer .... divide .... many ethnic groups lay claim and rightly so.

Maybe if the Arab League back in 1948 accepted the establishment of a UN mandated Jewish Home State in the region then peace may have endured .... but they didn't (and they had their reasons) but here we are

Maybe if World War 1 or World War 2 didn't happen then we wouldn't be here either

First of all, most countries all over the world have a long history of conflict not just in the Levant. From China to Europe to Latin America. Most countries have the conquer... divide... conquer pattern.

Second of all, we're talking about the current situation in Palestine. What happened 2000 years ago is irrelevant. You're implying that peace is unachievable there when that's not true.

I'm not denying that Jews were living in the Levant. In fact, there were Jews that never left Palestine. The issue here is with Zionist European and American Jews that treated the land as if it were a land without people with support from Britain. That's where the current conflict stems from.

This idea of "oh they always kill each other over there" with no understanding of what actually happened is just ignorant. Western interference in the region is SOLELY the cause of the current conflict there. They are supplying the Israelis with weapons to carry out a genocide and ethnically cleanse a population that have been living there for millennia dating back to the Canaanites.

Many current African and Middle Eastern conflicts be it civil war or otherwise stem from Western interference, either through colonisation and how they divided the lands into nations without taking into consideration tribal history or by funding rebel groups to put a puppet government in power.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

First of all, most countries all over the world have a long history of conflict not just in the Levant. From China to Europe to Latin America. Most countries have the conquer... divide... conquer pattern.

Second of all, we're talking about the current situation in Palestine. What happened 2000 years ago is irrelevant. You're implying that peace is unachievable there when that's not true.

I'm not denying that Jews were living in the Levant. In fact, there were Jews that never left Palestine. The issue here is with Zionist European and American Jews that treated the land as if it were a land without people with support from Britain. That's where the current conflict stems from.

This idea of "oh they always kill each other over there" with no understanding of what actually happened is just ignorant. Western interference in the region is SOLELY the cause of the current conflict there. They are supplying the Israelis with weapons to carry out a genocide and ethnically cleanse a population that have been living there for millennia dating back to the Canaanites.

Many current African and Middle Eastern conflicts be it civil war or otherwise stem from Western interference, either through colonisation and how they divided the lands into nations without taking into consideration tribal history or by funding rebel groups to put a puppet government in power.

Why is what happened thousands of years ago irrelevant? ...... maybe its irrelevant because it suits your agenda that Israel (at least in their traditional home land) should never exist .... when it fact it did exist 3000 years ago for over 500 years until the Babylonians conquered the area ..... its definitely not irrelevant to a large portion of the world's Jewish population who have been persecuted for many millenia

Also it's seems that the Arab population were pretty happy about Western interference during WW1 ... no complaining then

 

[DangerousD]

Trump is no supporter of war right now and neither is Kamala especially in the middle east.

only way the USA gets involved is if Iran does something stupid.

I thought Trump has criticises Biden for being soft in regards to his support for Israel. Im pretty sure Trump will be more supportive of Netanyahu

 

[DangerousD]

Just out of curiosity, if a NATO member supported Palestine/Lebanon for example to the point where they provided weapons or even sent troops, what would happen if then the USA sent troops to combat that threat?

As far as i know, if a NATO member starts a conflict, they aren’t entitled to protection from other NATO members, but what f the USA attacked another NATO member, considering the USA wouldn’t be the ones under threat.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

The UN is about to recommend that Netanyahu be tried as a war criminal.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

 

[HirdsTheWord]

I thought Trump has criticises Biden for being soft in regards to his support for Israel. Im pretty sure Trump will be more supportive of Netanyahu

support for israel does not mean war for the US

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Just out of curiosity, if a NATO member supported Palestine/Lebanon for example to the point where they provided weapons or even sent troops, what would happen if then the USA sent troops to combat that threat?

As far as i know, if a NATO member starts a conflict, they aren’t entitled to protection from other NATO members, but what f the USA attacked another NATO member, considering the USA wouldn’t be the ones under threat.

every NATO member does what the USA does.

So that hypotehtical wouldn't happen.

 

[faible]

Why is what happened thousands of years ago irrelevant? ...... maybe its irrelevant because it suits your agenda that Israel (at least in their traditional home land) should never exist .... when it fact it did exist 3000 years ago for over 500 years until the Babylonians conquered the area ..... its definitely not irrelevant to a large portion of the world's Jewish population who have been persecuted for many millenia

Also it's seems that the Arab population were pretty happy about Western interference during WW1 ... no complaining then

How many of the Palestinians are descendants of people who’ve lived there for thousands of years and have been a number of relgions?

It’s not as though all Jews just up and left only to come back when Israel was established. Many would have simply converted to whatever religion it became and carried on living there.

Well until the Nakba…