Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[QuietB]

Interesting article about the democrats and the jewish lobby....in an environment where they got negative PR for supporting israel but Trump is going to go way beyond that level of zionism.....can the democrats follow the leader?

Democrats Face a Series of Tests Over Support for Israel

First up is a resolution put forth by Senator Bernie Sanders, a Vermont independent who is Jewish, to deny Israel certain military weapons.

www.nytimes.com

It actually has nothing to do with the lobby if you believe the logic in the video below - USA are just imperialist campaigners and Israel happen to have completely separate objectives that can coexist perfectly with zero overlap to the USA's objectives.

 

[Saint]

Disappointing yet again.

Penny Wong's entire political career can be summed up like this:

"Pretending not to know what the right thing to do is because she thinks it makes her a good politician".

She's everything that's wrong with the ALP. She surely knows what the right thing to do is, but steadfastly refuses to do anything other than what the party apparatus tells her to do.

Toed the party line on gay marriage, voting against her own human rights even. There's no chance she's voting for other peoples' human rights. Party above human rights, dignity and prevention of genocide. Shameless opportunist. I'm sure she's got plenty of investment properties.

 

[QuietB]

Penny Wong's entire political career can be summed up like this:

"Pretending not to know what the right thing to do is because she thinks it makes her a good politician".

She's everything that's wrong with the ALP. She surely knows what the right thing to do is, but steadfastly refuses to do anything other than what the party apparatus tells her to do.

Toed the party line on gay marriage, voting against her own human rights even. There's no chance she's voting for other peoples' human rights. Party above human rights, dignity and prevention of genocide. Shameless opportunist. I'm sure she's got plenty of investment properties.

What is the right thing to do - storm the beaches in Israel?

 

[rodney86]

Everyone knows the West and their allies don't commit war crimes. If you don't believe that, just ask them.

 

[QuietB]

Everyone knows the West and their allies don't commit war crimes. If you don't believe that, just ask them.

The USA will not be confiscating boats and cash off Israeli's anytime soon.

 

[Saint]

What is the right thing to do - storm the beaches in Israel?

Cut off all military trade and association with Israel.
Ban any Australian citizens from serving in the IDF - or strip their citizenship.
Insist that Pine Gap doesn't help in Genocide or even possible genocide.
Promise to arrest anyone with an ICC warrant, regardless of our diplomatic situation.
Demand independent monitors be allowed in.
Demand aid be provided to avert starvation.


The way to lift the Israel-specific stuff would be to end the occupation and for Israel to sign up to a 2-state solution, something which is currently explicitly ruled out by Israel. Until that's lifted, no military ties or assistance whatsoever. Even with F-35 parts.

 

[QuietB]

Cut off all military trade and association with Israel.
Ban any Australian citizens from serving in the IDF - or strip their citizenship.
Insist that Pine Gap doesn't help in Genocide or even possible genocide.
Promise to arrest anyone with an ICC warrant, regardless of our diplomatic situation.
Demand independent monitors be allowed in.
Demand aid be provided to avert starvation.


The way to lift the Israel-specific stuff would be to end the occupation and for Israel to sign up to a 2-state solution, something which is currently explicitly ruled out by Israel. Until that's lifted, no military ties or assistance whatsoever. Even with F-35 parts.

You make it sound like Australia has some sort of sovereignty on these issues?

 

[Not Important]

"MEDIA RELEASE: ICC arrest warrants demonstrate urgent need for Australia to cut ties and sanction Israel

The International Criminal Court has issued arrest warrants for the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, and the country’s former defence minister Yoav Gallant for alleged war crimes relating to the Gaza war.

In light of these developments, and the worsening conditions imposed on Palestinians in Gaza, and the West Bank, the Jewish Council of Australia calls on the Government to immediately cut all military ties and place sanctions on Israel.

The Albanese Government must also place travel bans on those suspected of war crimes and clarify that it will arrest Netanyahu and Gallant if they enter Australia. These actions would be in line with Australia’s obligations under international law.

“Minister Wong’s statement today that the Australian Government respects the independence of the International Criminal Court is welcome but does not go far enough.

It is clear that Israel will not listen until there are consequences for its actions. The Australian Government has all the tools necessary at its disposal, including sanctions and travel bans on suspected war criminals, which it has deployed against Russia. All that is missing is the political will.

We welcome the Government banning the entry of former Israeli Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked, infamous for calling Palestinian children ‘little snakes’. Shaked was due to speak at a pro-war event in Australia organised by the Australia Israel & Jewish Affairs Council. Any event that platforms this kind of racism against Palestinians must be opposed by our elected leaders.”

Jewish Council of Australia

 

[Not Important]

kudos italy. and canada.all countries should do it.





don’t hold your breath for the yanks to follow.





“The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything”

Albert Einstein

 

[Not Important]

i see the terrorist has gone the well-worn zionist route of “ it’s antisemitism” over the icc ruling.

 

[Saint]

You make it sound like Australia has some sort of sovereignty on these issues?

You mean our foreign policy is sovereign, we just have to do what the US tells us?

Everything I said were actions Australia should take, regardless of what anyone else does.

 

[QuietB]

You mean our foreign policy is sovereign, we just have to do what the US tells us?

Everything I said were actions Australia should take, regardless of what anyone else does.

Pretty sure Australia's actions in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, AUKUS, etc. give you a hint on what Australia's general response will be.

I'm not saying it is right - but it is inevitable.

Australia is paying for submarines for the USA to attack our biggest trading partner after all.

 

[FreoRicci]

Only means he can’t travel to one of the icc countries or will be arrested I’ve heard.
Interestingly could Biden/ US be charged by the icc as an accessory?

Hope he does, and this geoncide can end. Dare him to do so.
Israel think they’re invincible.
Recent away football trip to Netherlands showed how disgusting and pathetic they really are

 

[QuietB]

Hope he does, and this geoncide can end. Dare him to do so.
Israel think they’re invincible.
Recent away football trip to Netherlands showed how disgusting and pathetic they really are

Tel Aviv Maccabi have Besiktas next

I doubt there will be any travelling fans.

 

[FreoRicci]

Tel Aviv Maccabi have Besiktas next

I doubt there will be any travelling fans.

Nope. Would certainly be killings

Cannot fathom why Israel isn’t just barred or temporality suspended from UEFA/international play. It’s dangerous for all involved

 

[QuietB]

Nope. Would certainly be killings

Cannot fathom why Israel isn’t just barred or temporality suspended from UEFA/international play. It’s dangerous for all involved

I just googled it - the game has been moved to a neutral venue in Hungary with no fans allowed.

Given Spain and France's stance and the threat of political violence it is only a matter of time until they are out.

 

[Scotland]

Nope. Would certainly be killings

Cannot fathom why Israel isn’t just barred or temporality suspended from UEFA/international play. It’s dangerous for all involved

Just Israel? So everyone else is allowed to compete except Israel and Russia?

 

[ipswichpies]

Cut off all military trade and association with Israel.
Ban any Australian citizens from serving in the IDF - or strip their citizenship.
Insist that Pine Gap doesn't help in Genocide or even possible genocide.
Promise to arrest anyone with an ICC warrant, regardless of our diplomatic situation.
Demand independent monitors be allowed in.
Demand aid be provided to avert starvation.


The way to lift the Israel-specific stuff would be to end the occupation and for Israel to sign up to a 2-state solution, something which is currently explicitly ruled out by Israel. Until that's lifted, no military ties or assistance whatsoever. Even with F-35 parts.

I think the UN should ban them how can you a member state firing upon UN peacekeepers which the Israeli,s have been doing regularly in Lebanon.
This is a huge finding against Israel and it,s politicians who I am afraid are all tarred with the same brush as was shown by the overwhelming support for the ban on UNHRA in itself a disgusting decision.

 

[Markfs]

It actually has nothing to do with the lobby if you believe the logic in the video below - USA are just imperialist campaigners and Israel happen to have completely separate objectives that can coexist perfectly with zero overlap to the USA's objectives.

To some degree, I would agree. The dominant empire wants to access the markets and sell its stuff, so you could argue that it's just a matter of making money.

However, the guy Hickel is an academic in his own little world and he has his own barrow to push....

 

[Markfs]

The empire will strike back on this one.....netty will never stand before the court

 

[QuietB]

To some degree, I would agree. The dominant empire wants to access the markets and sell its stuff, so you could argue that it's just a matter of making money.

However, the guy Hickel is an academic in his own little world and he has his own barrow to push....

The insinuation though is that the USA does not give a shit about the moral implications or the hypocrisy.

And they don’t.

The USA is happy to use as much violence as is required when ever they deem fit to suit their imperial and economic objectives.

Israel is 100% a proxy.

 

[Markfs]

The insinuation though is that the USA does not give a shit about the moral implications or the hypocrisy.

And they don’t.

The USA is happy to use as much violence as is required when ever they deem fit to suit their imperial and economic objectives.

Israel is 100% a proxy.

makes you wonder why the US hasnt got a lobby in Israel buying the equivalent of senators and house reps... It makes you wonder why the Israel PM isnt pledging his undying love for the US...

in short...i disagree

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Hope he does, and this geoncide can end. Dare him to do so.
Israel think they’re invincible.
Recent away football trip to Netherlands showed how disgusting and pathetic they really are

Him leaving israel would not stop the war in Gaza.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Nope. Would certainly be killings

Cannot fathom why Israel isn’t just barred or temporality suspended from UEFA/international play. It’s dangerous for all involved

If they could erase Russia from all levels of worldwide competitive sports then surely...

 

[Scotland]

Him leaving israel would not stop the war in Gaza.

Netanyahu leaving Israel won't stop the war in Gaza. Any in any event a ceasefire in Gaza won't stop Hamas attacking Israel, nor will it stop Gaza being blockaded. And the cycle will repeat.