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[Markfs]

sky news tells me that dutton is ready to be PM.... expect a visit from netty with dutton on the tarmac on his knees

 

[QuietB]

evidently a saudi in england owns that "persian" blog.... you might have to cast a wider net

 

[HirdsTheWord]

I acknowledge the hyjackings but people seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room.... the people making the movies

Yeah that's true also

the USA isn't exactly the beacon of mortality/ethics.

 

[Chief]

yeh....well search the CEOs of the major studios and connect the dots....

They're American?

 

[ipswichpies]

Yeah that's true also

the USA isn't exactly the beacon of mortality/ethics.

He is not talking about the Americans per se but about the religion of the people making the films which a very valid point and it is also the reason why we never get fair reporting by the media.Markfs the Israeli,s are losing lot,s of reservists in Lebanon and also in Gaza,for a country with the population of Israel they are having far too many killed and injured to sustain.

 

[ipswichpies]

They're American?

In name only.

 

[Chief]

Oh OK - "media globalists".

ipswichpies please quit with the dog-whistling.

It's dumb.

 

[Markfs]

He is not talking about the Americans per se but about the religion of the people making the films which a very valid point and it is also the reason why we never get fair reporting by the media.Markfs the Israeli,s are losing lot,s of reservists in Lebanon and also in Gaza,for a country with the population of Israel they are having far too many killed and injured to sustain.

Yes, I take your point about the sensitivity of the deaths, but i saw some figures for IDF deaths and they were worse in gaza. I would have thought that there is even more support in israel for destroying hez, although I understand the national need for revenge against hamas.

I dont think the dust will settle until trump comes in and we see just how much support he gives the israelis

 

[Markfs]

to put it bluntly, the twitter "newsfeeds" are about as reliable as the sydney swans...

 

[schneebly111]

Yes, Arabs were certainly predominantly portrayed in movies as evil, mostly because during that time you noted there were a lot of bombings and plane hijackings involving mainly Arabs as the perpetrators. People didn't just cast them as "bad guys" in movies for no reason at all.

But we didn’t see any movies from the other side, portraying what Arab had gone through with occupations and wars. All we saw were Arabs - bad.

I mean we could’ve similarly seen western, US and Israeli military portrayed as the bad guys but we never did. In a way this goes to the US Department of Defence’s funding of Hollywood and promotion of military propaganda in movies that needed a cheap disposable bad guy.

But there are however movies from that time period that did portrayed Arabs in a good light, IE Rambo 3 (1988).

My point exactly. Rambo 3 was set in Afghanistan. Afghans are not Arab. Rambo 3 only gave a sympathetic portrayal to the local Afghan Muslims mujahideen because they were the West’s ally against the bigger enemy, the Soviets. Once the Soviets had been defeated then they became the bad guys.

Palestinians never were good guys as they were always the enemy of the West’s ally Israel, no sympathetic portrayal there.

 

[Markfs]

But we didn’t see any movies from the other side, portraying what Arab had gone through with occupations and wars. All we saw were Arabs - bad.

I mean we could’ve similarly seen western, US and Israeli military portrayed as the bad guys but we never did. In a way this goes to the US Department of Defence’s funding of Hollywood and promotion of military propaganda in movies that needed a cheap disposable bad guy.



My point exactly. Rambo 3 was set in Afghanistan. Afghans are not Arab. Rambo 3 only gave a sympathetic portrayal to the local Afghan Muslims mujahideen because they were the West’s ally against the bigger enemy, the Soviets. Once the Soviets had been defeated then they became the bad guys.

Palestinians never were good guys as they were always the enemy of the West’s ally Israel, no sympathetic portrayal there.

I regret that i wont be alive to see portrayals of americans in the films of future empires....

 

[stax on the mull]

Isn't the movie Oscar winning movie "Lawrence of Arabia" supposed to be partly about the Arab revolt against the Ottoman empire that helped the allies win WW1.

Historically the promise the British made to the Arab leaders in exchange for helping overthrow the ruling Ottoman empire was to support their cause for Arab Nationalism - but that never occurred.

The land never belonged to Britain to create to a Zionist state in Palestine. The British Mandate of Palestine was supposed to administer the territory until the point where they could transition it to local power. i.e. that they should give it back to the local inhabitants in a governable state - in a way for instance like Australia administered the former German territory of Papua New Guinea after WW1 until it was transitioned to local power.

 

[Markfs]

Isn't the movie Oscar winning movie "Lawrence of Arabia" supposed to be partly about the Arab revolt against the Ottoman empire that helped the allies win WW1.

Historically the promise the British made to the Arab leaders in exchange for helping overthrow the ruling Ottoman empire was to support their cause for Arab Nationalism - but that never occurred.

The land never belonged to Britain to create to a Zionist state in Palestine. The British Mandate of Palestine was supposed to administer the territory until the point where they could transition it to local power. i.e. that they should give it back to the local inhabitants in a governable state - in a way for instance like Australia administered the former German territory of Papua New Guinea after WW1 until it was transitioned to local power.

you make some great points but israel has got planes and big bombs and can kill a lot of people.....so that argument usually wins...

 

[FreoRicci]

Just call it the United States of America, and Israel is the official 51st state.

14 voted in favour of ceasefire in the UN, BUT USA abstained and it’s blocked? Wtf is the point of the UN then? 14-1.

100 hostages, who dared to go to the border for some festival is more important then 2 million people in Gaza. Sure. Sure it is

 

[treeebeard]

Just call it the United States of America, and Israel is the official 51st state.

14 voted in favour of ceasefire in the UN, BUT USA abstained and it’s blocked? Wtf is the point of the UN then? 14-1.

100 hostages, who dared to go to the border for some festival is more important then 2 million people in Gaza. Sure. Sure it is

For a politician, their political future is their only concern. Have a look at how much the Israel lobby donates in the US.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

But we didn’t see any movies from the other side, portraying what Arab had gone through with occupations and wars. All we saw were Arabs - bad.

I mean we could’ve similarly seen western, US and Israeli military portrayed as the bad guys but we never did. In a way this goes to the US Department of Defence’s funding of Hollywood and promotion of military propaganda in movies that needed a cheap disposable bad guy.



My point exactly. Rambo 3 was set in Afghanistan. Afghans are not Arab. Rambo 3 only gave a sympathetic portrayal to the local Afghan Muslims mujahideen because they were the West’s ally against the bigger enemy, the Soviets. Once the Soviets had been defeated then they became the bad guys.

Palestinians never were good guys as they were always the enemy of the West’s ally Israel, no sympathetic portrayal there.

That isn't quite correct.

There are certainly Arabs in Afghanistan. The Rambo 3 film primarily focuses on the Afghan Mujahideen. The Afghan Mujahideen comprised of Arabs who immigrated to Afghanistan to join the Mujahideen during the soviet-Afghan war.

Afghan Arabs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Afghan mujahideen - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Those Arabs as part of the Rambo 3 story were shown in a positive light, so no, you didn't only see were Arabs = bad. Just predominantly given the context of what was going on in the world at the time during the 80's & 90's and also given that most movies are made in the US that is, so that is the lense we see.

 

[faible]

That isn't quite correct.

There are certainly Arabs in Afghanistan. The Rambo 3 film primarily focuses on the Afghan Mujahideen. The Afghan Mujahideen comprised of Arabs who immigrated to Afghanistan to join the Mujahideen during the soviet-Afghan war.

Afghan Arabs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Afghan mujahideen - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Those Arabs as part of the Rambo 3 story were shown in a positive light, so no, you didn't only see were Arabs = bad. Just predominantly given the context of what was going on in the world at the time during the 80's & 90's and also given that most movies are made in the US that is, so that is the lense we see.

You're not responding to what he wrote. As usual.

Rambo 3 only gave a sympathetic portrayal to the local Afghan Muslims mujahideen because they were the West’s ally against the bigger enemy, the Soviets. Once the Soviets had been defeated then they became the bad guys.

 

[Saint]

you make some great points but israel has got planes and big bombs and can kill a lot of people.....so that argument usually wins...

There's a saying which I can't find but goes along the lines of something like this:

The west (US, UK, EU) likes to think it won dominance of the world through democracy, culture and ideas, but the rest of the world understands and knows that it did it through brute force and with bombs and missiles and subjugation.

These are the two prisms through which the developing world (including Russia) sees the west and how the west sees itself.

Israel is just doing what the west has done across the world for hundreds of years.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

There's a saying which I can't find but goes along the lines of something like this:

The west (US, UK, EU) likes to think it won dominance of the world through democracy, culture and ideas, but the rest of the world understands and knows that it did it through brute force and with bombs and missiles and subjugation.

These are the two prisms through which the developing world (including Russia) sees the west and how the west sees itself.

Israel is just doing what the west has done across the world for hundreds of years.

this makes little sense to be honest.

If you think it's just the west who have been killing people through brute force and subjugation, you need a vast lesson in History.

You might want to go see what Russia, Japan and other "eastern" countries have done in the last few hundred years.......

 

[Saint]

this makes little sense to be honest.

if you think it's just the west who have been killing people through brute force and subjugation, you need a vast lesson in History.

Why does the US have such control over the Middle East or Sth America? They prop up un-deomcratic regimes with bombs, missiles and military assistance.

Then they tell the world that those countries and people just love the joys of US hegemony of democracy and freedom. But it's the opposite of what the US usually brings to a region.

Israel has the veneer of freedom and democracy, but it built on colonialism and apartheid. Saudi doesn't even pretend to have that veneer, yet still have a very close relationship with the so-called democratic freedom peace-loving US.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Why does the US have such control over the Middle East or Sth America? They prop up un-deomcratic regimes with bombs, missiles and military assistance.

Then they tell the world that those countries and people just love the joys of US hegemony of democracy and freedom. But it's the opposite of what the US usually brings to a region.

Israel has the veneer of freedom and democracy, but it built on colonialism and apartheid. Saudi doesn't even pretend to have that veneer, yet still have a very close relationship with the so-called democratic freedom peace-loving US.

I am not sure you thought through exactly what you are saying........

Basically, the entire known world has been built on colonialism. East, West, North & South. It isn't a "Western" thing at all. Humans have been killing and conquering other humans since we crept out of the ooze.

If Israel is a veneer, we all are.

 

[treeebeard]

There's a saying which I can't find but goes along the lines of something like this:

The west (US, UK, EU) likes to think it won dominance of the world through democracy, culture and ideas, but the rest of the world understands and knows that it did it through brute force and with bombs and missiles and subjugation.

These are the two prisms through which the developing world (including Russia) sees the west and how the west sees itself.

Israel is just doing what the west has done across the world for hundreds of years.

 

[Markfs]

israel wants its promised land.....start from there

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I acknowledge the hyjackings but people seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room.... the people making the movies

They've actually had trouble finding bad people for their movies.
Nazis were done to death, a bit of North Korea, its just gotten harder and harder to find people that can be slaughtered wholesale by our hero.
Sometimes they resort to a fictional country, then aliens are always an easy choice .

 

[Markfs]

They've actually had trouble finding bad people for their movies.
Nazis were done to death, a bit of North Korea, its just gotten harder and harder to find people that can be slaughtered wholesale by our hero.
Sometimes they resort to a fictional country, then aliens are always an easy choice .

its like holocaust movies....there's always another angle on the basic story...