Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Val Keating]

Jacob Magid is The Times of Israel's US bureau chief....consider yourself punked....if that saying is still cool

There does seem to be a ceasefire coming though.

It’s pretty much the exact same terms that Hamas agreed to months ago. Just goes to show that Israel’s objective was genocide from the beginning.

Even recently, like a few hours ago, Israel bombed Palestinians in tents again. Even if there is a ceasefire, Israel will try to kill as many people as possible before it starts.

 

[Markfs]

There does seem to be a ceasefire coming though.

It’s pretty much the exact same terms that Hamas agreed to months ago. Just goes to show that Israel’s objective was genocide from the beginning.

Even recently, like a few hours ago, Israel bombed Palestinians in tents again. Even if there is a ceasefire, Israel will try to kill as many people as possible before it starts.

well we can guarantee there will be a killing spree before any ceasefire....standard israeli procedure.

i dont know if a ceasefire is going to deliver anything better. Trump has been paid. He is supposed to get the palestinians out of gaza so that the israeli settlers can move in....although the west bank is more important because it's central to the promised land nirvana...

i've said it before....the palestinians are going to be scattered to the wind. I suppose a few more of them will be alive if the bombing stops

 

[Val Keating]

well we can guarantee there will be a killing spree before any ceasefire....standard israeli procedure.

i dont know if a ceasefire is going to deliver anything better. Trump has been paid. He is supposed to get the palestinians out of gaza so that the israeli settlers can move in....although the west bank is more important because it's central to the promised land nirvana...

i've said it before....the palestinians are going to be scattered to the wind. I suppose a few more of them will be alive if the bombing stops

Yeah I know. It’s ****ed. Settlers are already moving into the West Bank. Israel has annexed some of Syria, and no one except a handful of countries will do a thing about it.

It’s one of the reasons that I donate to the Hind Rajab foundation, because at least they’re trying to hold people accountable…. but even then Israel is good at getting their war criminals out.

 

[Markfs]

Yeah I know. It’s ****ed. Settlers are already moving into the West Bank. Israel has annexed some of Syria, and no one except a handful of countries will do a thing about it.

It’s one of the reasons that I donate to the Hind Rajab foundation, because at least they’re trying to hold people accountable…. but even then Israel is good at getting their war criminals out.

well i've noticed their work when it comes to IDF on holidays in foreign countries...so at least they are having a go.

i gave to unrwa for a long time and then to changed to another charity because of the UN bureaucracy...

 

[Val Keating]

well i've noticed their work when it comes to IDF on holidays in foreign countries...so at least they are having a go.

i gave to unrwa for a long time and then to changed to another charity because of the UN bureaucracy...

They found an IDF Major General in Rome yesterday.



They’re trying to put pressure on Italian authorities to arrest him.

 

[sr36]

OK, describe to me the word or two-word description of people who support the Genocide of Palestinians being undertaken by the state of Israel.

The following words have been declared "anti-semitic":
Zionist (Not even all Zionists support the Genocide)
Israeli (and would include Israelis who don't support it)

Jewish is incorrect.

If you use the word "genocide", they just say it isn't proven yet, so that's blood libel.

The truth is that there is a concerted effort by defenders of Israel to muddy the waters and declare everything anti-semitism. Such that the current generation of young people will associate the phrase anti-semitism with the Palestinian Genocide, rather than the holocaust.

Nazi is about the only time there has been a one or two word definition. What's the one or two word definition for those who support the war in Ukraine or the various massacres of Kurds, Bosnians, Tutsi, etc. And it's significant that Nazi was a new term in English. It wasn't commandeering an older term that describes a much bigger group than intended (if that's what is intended)

There's no doubt that many supporters of the war in Gaza use claims of anti-Semitism to diffuse criticism. There's also little doubt that some refuse to question their anti-Semitic comments or internationally hide behind this disingenuous use of the term - just as many do with the more general term of racism with claims of PC gone mad - which is also sometimes the case.

 

[Markfs]

They found an IDF Major General in Rome yesterday.



They’re trying to put pressure on Italian authorities to arrest him.

Interesting parallels with an organisation around in my youth, the Simon Wieselstein thingo. I cant remember the exact name, but Israeli guys went all over the world seeking out former nazis. A lot of them were gunned down in dark alleys are you would expect. Quite a few were handed over to the Israelis in Australia....

The question is whether this IDF guy has been found guilty of something

 

[Val Keating]

Interesting parallels with an organisation around in my youth, the Simon Wieselstein thingo. I cant remember the exact name, but Israeli guys went all over the world seeking out former nazis. A lot of them were gunned down in dark alleys are you would expect. Quite a few were handed over to the Israelis in Australia....

The question is whether this IDF guy has been found guilty of something

He has to go to court to be found guilty but if he has done what they’re claiming “Alian oversaw the total blockade of Gaza, weaponizing famine and targeting civilian infrastructure, including hospitals, in acts amounting to genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity.”

Then he would be found guilty.

This is the man that publicly called Palestinians “human animals”.

 

[Val Keating]

I don’t think someone can be a Major General in an army committing genocide without being guilty tbh.

 

[Markfs]

He has to go to court to be found guilty but if he has done what they’re claiming “Alian oversaw the total blockade of Gaza, weaponizing famine and targeting civilian infrastructure, including hospitals, in acts amounting to genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity.”

Then he would be found guilty.

This is the man that publicly called Palestinians “human animals”.

well calling people names isnt a criminal offence.....in israel

 

[Val Keating]

well calling people names isnt a criminal offence.....in israel

Neither is committing war crimes.

 

[Saint]

Interesting parallels with an organisation around in my youth, the Simon Wieselstein thingo. I cant remember the exact name, but Israeli guys went all over the world seeking out former nazis. A lot of them were gunned down in dark alleys are you would expect. Quite a few were handed over to the Israelis in Australia....

The question is whether this IDF guy has been found guilty of something

The Israeli Govt killed the Munich terrorists, and indeed Hamas terrorists and their families and their neighbours without trials.

The IDF soldiers are lucky they get a trial.

 

[Markfs]

The Israeli Govt killed the Munich terrorists, and indeed Hamas terrorists and their families and their neighbours without trials.

The IDF soldiers are lucky they get a trial.

No one cries for the munich people ....and i dont think the IDF will get a trial

 

[Markfs]

I cant make any sense of this. The logic is typical of some fundamentalist who is looking for a sign ...Anyway, he came up with the right answer