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the crows are asking a 1st round pick. psd it is.
the crows are asking a 1st round pick. psd it is.
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Re: What is Maric Worth
At a guess I'd say that's why they went in with pick 2, get the trade out of he way. Didn't bank on Adelaide being idiots though.
At a guess I'd say that's why they went in with pick 2, get the trade out of he way. Didn't bank on Adelaide being idiots though.
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Cannot believe the hypocrisy of Adelaide! Jacobs was a shitloads better ruckman than Maric and they only gave us pick 33! Now they want first rounder for Maric! He'll only be Richmond's ruckman as a temp until they get someone better!
Cannot believe the hypocrisy of Adelaide! Jacobs was a shitloads better ruckman than Maric and they only gave us pick 33! Now they want first rounder for Maric! He'll only be Richmond's ruckman as a temp until they get someone better!
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Maric is hopeless. I hope we dont trade a second rounder for him. Waste of space and time.
Maric is hopeless. I hope we dont trade a second rounder for him. Waste of space and time.
Pick 37 isn't going to get it done on it's own, it'll have to come with something considerably better than Nason. Connors would be a bargain on our part so we'd have to throw a pick in there somewhere.
If this doesn't unfold, I suspect that it'll be a case of Maric + ??? for the Bock compo pick, or Maric + ????? for pick 14 (highly unlikely).
I don't think we actually believe his value to be pick 14 on it's own - if we do then this will be a longer week than necessary...
If this doesn't unfold, I suspect that it'll be a case of Maric + ??? for the Bock compo pick, or Maric + ????? for pick 14 (highly unlikely).
I don't think we actually believe his value to be pick 14 on it's own - if we do then this will be a longer week than necessary...
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Just leave it to the PSD, no one else will pick him up
Just leave it to the PSD, no one else will pick him up
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What is Jacobs worth? Maric isn't even worth a 3rd rounder! I hope Tiges take 2nd rounder off table now, and they pick him up for free!
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I am sure the club would love to get the Maric deal out of the way.
Would be very surprised if the Tigers shifted on our offer of pick 37.
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I am sure the club would love to get the Maric deal out of the way.
Would be very surprised if the Tigers shifted on our offer of pick 37.
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Makes you laugh doesnt it? Richmond should just tell Adelaide thats the only offer we will be making, then tell Maric to walk and pick him up in the PSD. At worst he will get picked up by another team who needs a Ruckman (Port?)
Time to move on, Adelaide must be really burning from the Tambling trade last year, thats the only thing that could remotely justify wanting a first rounder.
Makes you laugh doesnt it? Richmond should just tell Adelaide thats the only offer we will be making, then tell Maric to walk and pick him up in the PSD. At worst he will get picked up by another team who needs a Ruckman (Port?)
Time to move on, Adelaide must be really burning from the Tambling trade last year, thats the only thing that could remotely justify wanting a first rounder.
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We should have the mentality that if we can get him cheap (3rd rounder at the most) then that's all well and good. Any more and it's not worth wasting time during the trade period.
We should put the 3rd round pick on the table and if they want it, they want it. If not, then who gives a stuff.
I agree ultimately with GordonBlue and hoggy, just let it still till the PSD.
We should have the mentality that if we can get him cheap (3rd rounder at the most) then that's all well and good. Any more and it's not worth wasting time during the trade period.
We should put the 3rd round pick on the table and if they want it, they want it. If not, then who gives a stuff.
I agree ultimately with GordonBlue and hoggy, just let it still till the PSD.
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Absolutely. Might have to refer the Adelaide officials to the Houli deal.
Absolutely. Might have to refer the Adelaide officials to the Houli deal.
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First rounder is us just playing the game, I suspect we're after the compo pick, and will likely send something else your way to get it.
No it isn't.
There are plenty; Cameron Wood for a start.
First rounder is us just playing the game, I suspect we're after the compo pick, and will likely send something else your way to get it.
No it isn't.
There are plenty; Cameron Wood for a start.
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Herald Sun says Adelaide are demanding pick 14 (pick 15).
Here are the players that went around pick 15 in the last 2 years.
Shaun Burgoyne - Pick 9
Darren Jolly - Pick 14
Shane Mumford - Pick 28
Ben Jacobs - Pick 33
Make of that what you will
Herald Sun says Adelaide are demanding pick 14 (pick 15).
Here are the players that went around pick 15 in the last 2 years.
Shaun Burgoyne - Pick 9
Darren Jolly - Pick 14
Shane Mumford - Pick 28
Ben Jacobs - Pick 33
Make of that what you will
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If they reckon Maric is worth more than Jacobs then let's take him off their hands instead for the second rounder
If they reckon Maric is worth more than Jacobs then let's take him off their hands instead for the second rounder
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I like Maric and would like to get him, but I agree.
Next meeting, tell them pick 37 is on the table until 5pm Wednesday and then it is what we feel like paying or PSD. They know Carlton accepted less after initially knocking back the compo pick for Jacobs, so we should play similarly
I like Maric and would like to get him, but I agree.
Next meeting, tell them pick 37 is on the table until 5pm Wednesday and then it is what we feel like paying or PSD. They know Carlton accepted less after initially knocking back the compo pick for Jacobs, so we should play similarly
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Big no to Maric for 2nd rounder. Adelaide are just trying to get the best deal, highly doubt it will happen. 3rd rounder or PSD.
Big no to Maric for 2nd rounder. Adelaide are just trying to get the best deal, highly doubt it will happen. 3rd rounder or PSD.
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Carlton got pick 33 in a stranger draft , for a player who overshadowed Maric all hands down as Adelaide's number 1 ruckman !
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No need to trade fairly. Trading fairly is for weak clubs.
Offer 3rd rounder or risk PSD and worst case we have Derickx, Graham and Browne next year as well as drafting another young kid...oh and Vickery.
No need to trade fairly. Trading fairly is for weak clubs.
Offer 3rd rounder or risk PSD and worst case we have Derickx, Graham and Browne next year as well as drafting another young kid...oh and Vickery.
Jacobs had played all of 17 games as a 22 year old when we got him from Carlton. He wasn't proven or mature, and was traded for on upside alone.
Maric has played 77 games, and will be 26 by the start of next season - he's in his prime, what you see is what you get.
Forget about who you think is better (clearly Jacobs) and look at all the elements in the equation, and look at the market - Maric is clearly worth more than pick 37. History will tell you this, mature ruckmen rarely get traded for anything over about pick 30 unless they're a dead set charity case (like us with Griffin last year, or Steven King to St. Kilda a few years ago).
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in fairness to most supporters most are not saying dont give him a try.
based on stats and performance most are saying our second rounder is paying overs.
his performances are ordinary over a 6 yr period the stats back this up.
hes very much like a lot of players we have had over the yrs.
has some talent but never produces enough and is ultimately delisted after 6 or 8 yrs depending on how many glimpses they have shown.this is ivan maric at the crows continually overlooked because he does not produce enough.
we should not be trading away valuable second rnd picks on this type.
by all means if we can get him in a player for player swap or a later pick or the best scenario for nothing in the psd by all means give him a chance.
as i stated earlier with our second rounder a pick around 35, ruckman that have been taken near this pick include simpson, gawn, vardy, goldstein, roughhead, clarke, all taken in the 30s and 40s.this pick is where we find long term players even a long term ruckman. we should not be useing our second pick on an underachiever. if we have to trade such a good pick it should at least be on a proven player it is about processes.
tyrone vickery is the only player/ruckman we have who we have invested heavily in with a decent pick in yrs and yrs.
the last time we invested a good pick in the nd on a young ruckman was ottens back in 97. tyrone looks like he will be in the kurt tippett mold more a forward so we have to invest again.
from 97 ottens at 2 to 2007 putt at 51 a reasonable pick unfortunately it did not work out, we did not utilise one nd pick on a ruckman early or late. vickery was then drafted in 08 and since then we have relied on retreads and rookies hopefully making it.
with tyrone every yr looking more and more likely not to be a ruckman we needed to invest another decent pick or two on a young ruckman and it has not happened. once again you have to bring into question the list management.
its been obvious for yrs now to some of us that graham is well lets be nice and say ordinary. its also been obvious that browne is a work in progress and may or may not make it and it will take time. in the mean time putt is cut and we all we do is invest in long shots like derickx and now maric. it really is a circus when it comes to list management.
seems to me we managed this area very poorly and now they are panicking and are probably going to pay overs to get a short term upgrade.
the man who has overseen this fiasco is still there.
in fairness to most supporters most are not saying dont give him a try.
based on stats and performance most are saying our second rounder is paying overs.
his performances are ordinary over a 6 yr period the stats back this up.
hes very much like a lot of players we have had over the yrs.
has some talent but never produces enough and is ultimately delisted after 6 or 8 yrs depending on how many glimpses they have shown.this is ivan maric at the crows continually overlooked because he does not produce enough.
we should not be trading away valuable second rnd picks on this type.
by all means if we can get him in a player for player swap or a later pick or the best scenario for nothing in the psd by all means give him a chance.
as i stated earlier with our second rounder a pick around 35, ruckman that have been taken near this pick include simpson, gawn, vardy, goldstein, roughhead, clarke, all taken in the 30s and 40s.this pick is where we find long term players even a long term ruckman. we should not be useing our second pick on an underachiever. if we have to trade such a good pick it should at least be on a proven player it is about processes.
tyrone vickery is the only player/ruckman we have who we have invested heavily in with a decent pick in yrs and yrs.
the last time we invested a good pick in the nd on a young ruckman was ottens back in 97. tyrone looks like he will be in the kurt tippett mold more a forward so we have to invest again.
from 97 ottens at 2 to 2007 putt at 51 a reasonable pick unfortunately it did not work out, we did not utilise one nd pick on a ruckman early or late. vickery was then drafted in 08 and since then we have relied on retreads and rookies hopefully making it.
with tyrone every yr looking more and more likely not to be a ruckman we needed to invest another decent pick or two on a young ruckman and it has not happened. once again you have to bring into question the list management.
its been obvious for yrs now to some of us that graham is well lets be nice and say ordinary. its also been obvious that browne is a work in progress and may or may not make it and it will take time. in the mean time putt is cut and we all we do is invest in long shots like derickx and now maric. it really is a circus when it comes to list management.
seems to me we managed this area very poorly and now they are panicking and are probably going to pay overs to get a short term upgrade.
the man who has overseen this fiasco is still there.
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Based on what?
AFL are trying to have the SANFL reduce their salary caps to lower the quality of the League, that should tell you something.
I'm not saying the SANFL is vastly superior to the VFL, but I think it's a bit rich to claim it's not as good.
Based on what?
AFL are trying to have the SANFL reduce their salary caps to lower the quality of the League, that should tell you something.
I'm not saying the SANFL is vastly superior to the VFL, but I think it's a bit rich to claim it's not as good.
You have already put a second rounder on the table and we have already rejected it. Do you actually think that your club would open with it's absolute best offer? That would be sheer ineptitude on your part.
You will offer us something better than just pick 37 by the end of the week, it's now a case of how much better.
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There's a number of recent posts saying "offer them 3rd rounder". Do you seriously see this playing out like a reverse auction, in that our offer gets worse and worse (from a Crows perspective) the longer they hold out on us?
I was surprised we opened with our 2nd rounder, and am now just hoping we don't get carried away from that point. Perhaps a sign that our recruiters don't rate the strength of the draft if they'd take Maric at pick 37 odd over looking at a kid.
If we end up with Maric I hope he kills it next season... can't say I'm feeling confident...
There's a number of recent posts saying "offer them 3rd rounder". Do you seriously see this playing out like a reverse auction, in that our offer gets worse and worse (from a Crows perspective) the longer they hold out on us?
I was surprised we opened with our 2nd rounder, and am now just hoping we don't get carried away from that point. Perhaps a sign that our recruiters don't rate the strength of the draft if they'd take Maric at pick 37 odd over looking at a kid.
If we end up with Maric I hope he kills it next season... can't say I'm feeling confident...
