Jacinta Allan - 49th Victorian Premier.

[Saint]

I think everyone on bigfooty at this point would agree that they don’t care about the people they serve, they care about themselves.

I'm not sure I follow the logic here. A Government canned for spending too much not spending $75bn and that's a problem?

Or that they're going to spend it on something the public like so much that it will sway the election, but they don't care about the public?

Neither of those positions make a lot of sense.

 

[Sttew]

I'm not sure I follow the logic here. A Government canned for spending too much not spending $75bn and that's a problem?

Or that they're going to spend it on something the public like so much that it will sway the election, but they don't care about the public?

Neither of those positions make a lot of sense.

You’re obviously trolling!?

Does it make sense to you that social services, medical research, tourism etc have had their budgets slashed? Or that regional hospitals face amalgamation and closure? Or that there is no money for road repairs so permanent speed limit restrictions have been imposed? All because there is supposedly no money. Yet hidden in the fine print of the budget is the reality that the government could pay for the above but has chosen to squirrel the money away.

 

[Saint]

You’re obviously trolling!?

Does it make sense to you that social services, medical research, tourism etc have had their budgets slashed? Or that regional hospitals face amalgamation and closure? Or that there is no money for road repairs so permanent speed limit restrictions have been imposed? All because there is supposedly no money. Yet hidden in the fine print of the budget is the reality that the government could pay for the above but has chosen to squirrel the money away.

Depends if they actually have the money to spend and what they spend it on.

I judge Govts on their actions. Definitely not on what they say, or what MSM says about them.

 

[The Punter]

I mean, there's a point where you can't improve the conditions without changing the very nature of the job. There's a point where the money will be good enough.

 

[Sttew]

I judge Govts on their actions.

How do you judge this government then?

 

[adogsfan5]

I'm not sure I follow the logic here. A Government canned for spending too much not spending $75bn and that's a problem?

Or that they're going to spend it on something the public like so much that it will sway the election, but they don't care about the public?

Neither of those positions make a lot of sense.

If they are purposely withholding money to use later to sway an election, and are cutting funding for important items now - that to me means they don’t really care about the people they serve. I’m also not going to rant and rave about it, because it doesn’t shock me one little bit (politicians to a tee).

And that’s for any government, not just Victoria. I stand by my initial comment.

 

[Gralin]

I'm currently on leave so haven't been able to talk to any nurses about their EBA but from my limited understanding they are like us and want better conditions over pay. The fact your own secretary was shocked by the vote is concerning.

i remember about a decade ago a team at work that was complaining about work life balance, working conditions, the whole lot

when asked what they wanted done you could split them into two groups

pay me more to put up with it

make it better - eg hire more people to spread the load

depending on who the Secretary had been talking to they might have thought pay more was the popular solution, which would then be the usual issue of not knowing the workers you rep well enough

I'm not sure I follow the logic here. A Government canned for spending too much not spending $75bn and that's a problem?

Or that they're going to spend it on something the public like so much that it will sway the election, but they don't care about the public?

Neither of those positions make a lot of sense.

it doesn't have to, it means you can always say the government is wrong

but if I'm being kind, its possible to think a government is overspending on one area and under spending on another

I don't mind people complaining that governments won't pay their workers well enough, that's the kind of position that is good for all workers

I mean, there's a point where you can't improve the conditions without changing the very nature of the job. There's a point where the money will be good enough.

Do you think that is where healthcare work is though?

That the conditions are as good as they can be

 

[The Punter]

Do you think that is where healthcare work is though?

That the conditions are as good as they can be

Excuse the lack of precision in what I said.

There are some parts of jobs that are both undesirable and essential. The improvements in conditions need to be achievable without affecting the output (what needs to be done). In those areas, financial compensation is usually the way of addressing those concerns.

Conditions, of course, could be much better. The only things stopping there being a single nurse for every patient is cash and not everybody wants to be a nurse. But this is a negotiation, and I'm sure there will eventually be an agreement.

 

[Saint]

How do you judge this government then?

I think they're spending too much on established area infrastructure (SRL) and should be doing more in the growth suburbs on nuts and bolts (road upgrades, Western Rail Plan).

If there's $75bn contingency, maybe they know it's going to get eaten up by projects as their Departments perrennially over-spend (or under-budget)

In the past they have solved too many problems by throwing more money at it.

Allan seems to have put a stop to that, which is an improvement.

They also shy away from doing what's right for political expediency. And they trust Big 4 advisors too much and made rash decisions.

 

[peetoo]

I think they're spending too much on established area infrastructure (SRL) and should be doing more in the growth suburbs on nuts and bolts (road upgrades, Western Rail Plan).

If there's $75bn contingency, maybe they know it's going to get eaten up by projects as their Departments perrennially over-spend (or under-budget)

In the past they have solved too many problems by throwing more money at it.

Allan seems to have put a stop to that, which is an improvement.

They also shy away from doing what's right for political expediency. And they trust Big 4 advisors too much and made rash decisions.

So you are saying they have ‘solved too many problems’?

 

[leon123]

I used to work at the Dept of Transport, we had rail network maps for the next 30 + years, detailing all future projects.
This white elephant was never included, wasn't even an idea from the planning division.

Lets be fair, you transport planners follow land use planning. Being a transport planner you would be aware of the UGB - the imminent need for additional land supply opportunities

Dont think of it as a pure transport plan, think of it as a land use plan inclusive of transport - consider how much accessible housing opportunities it will create

 

[leon123]

Careless with words and careless with our money. Let's face it, working from home currently suits the government because it can sell the office space previously occupied by public servants.

Rubbish..... its a union issue

 

[Saint]

So you are saying they have ‘solved too many problems’?

No, I'm saying any time they saw a problem, they saw money as an easy fix. Instead of policy, strategy or education/explanation.

 

[peetoo]

No, I'm saying any time they saw a problem, they saw money as an easy fix. Instead of policy, strategy or education/explanation.

Sorry, but your assessment is tending to be a generalisation. For sure some initiatives turn out better than others.

For all the andrews Allan govt faults they have raised the bar better than most predecessors… and got things done.

Kennets mob also did that, but the trumpian tendencies before there was trump were a major flaw

 

[peetoo]

I was very disappointed that the world class Commonwealth athletes would not be coming down under to show their stuff.
I was even more disappointed that Dan the destroyer of Victoria lied about it.

=which regional centre were you planning to spend your hard earned in during the games?

 

[Xtreme]

=which regional centre were you planning to spend your hard earned in during the games?

All of them I would have gone on the Antiques Roadshow!

 

[Saint]

Sorry, but your assessment is tending to be a generalisation. For sure some initiatives turn out better than others.

For all the andrews Allan govt faults they have raised the bar better than most predecessors… and got things done.

Kennets mob also did that, but the trumpian tendencies before there was trump were a major flaw

Comm Games stuff-up, spend a billion.
EWL Cancellation, spend a billion.
difficulties with North East Link, spend 20 bn instead of 10bn.
Airport Rail - Sky high.

Many of the cost blowouts are due to not wanting to upset people.

Every infrastructure project was gold-plate, speed more important than value for money.

Money was no object in the development and delivery of transport projects, but there's no Integrated Transport Plan. They've done zero work to see if SRL is a better project than Metro 2. Who cares if $40bn is spent and $20bn of it is wasted if there's nothing to compare it to?/ What's $20bn when it captures some marginal seats?

 

[The Punter]

Sorry, but your assessment is tending to be a generalisation. For sure some initiatives turn out better than others.

For all the andrews Allan govt faults they have raised the bar better than most predecessors… and got things done.

Kennets mob also did that, but the trumpian tendencies before there was trump were a major flaw

I missed the bit where Kennett disputed the result of an election.

(He lost the 1999 election by 14 votes in Geelong, accepted the result gracefully and never exhibited any bitterness towards the voters or the man who vanquished him).

 

[The Punter]

Resolve Vic State Poll
ALP 28
LNP 37
GRN 13
IND 16
OTH 6

Labor’s popularity plunges as voters demand government tackle debt

Support for Jacinta Allan’s government has dropped to a primary vote of 28 per cent, sliding from 42 per cent under Daniel Andrews’ leadership about a year ago.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Saint]

Resolve Vic State Poll
ALP 28
LNP 37
GRN 13
IND 16
OTH 6

Labor’s popularity plunges as voters demand government tackle debt

Support for Jacinta Allan’s government has dropped to a primary vote of 28 per cent, sliding from 42 per cent under Daniel Andrews’ leadership about a year ago.

www.theage.com.au

Looks like there will be hung upper houses (at least) for the foreseeable future, which I think is a good thing. Anything which takes away from a duopoly is a good thing. I don't like majority Governments at all. Just breeds Hubris.

 

[Sttew]

Resolve Vic State Poll
ALP 28
LNP 37
GRN 13
IND 16
OTH 6

Labor’s popularity plunges as voters demand government tackle debt

Support for Jacinta Allan’s government has dropped to a primary vote of 28 per cent, sliding from 42 per cent under Daniel Andrews’ leadership about a year ago.

www.theage.com.au

Who are OTHER 6%?

 

[peetoo]

Resolve Vic State Poll
ALP 28
LNP 37
GRN 13
IND 16
OTH 6

Labor’s popularity plunges as voters demand government tackle debt

Support for Jacinta Allan’s government has dropped to a primary vote of 28 per cent, sliding from 42 per cent under Daniel Andrews’ leadership about a year ago.

www.theage.com.au

I’d be very surprised if state debt was a deciding factor

 

[Rob R]

Resolve Vic State Poll
ALP 28
LNP 37
GRN 13
IND 16
OTH 6

Labor’s popularity plunges as voters demand government tackle debt

Support for Jacinta Allan’s government has dropped to a primary vote of 28 per cent, sliding from 42 per cent under Daniel Andrews’ leadership about a year ago.

www.theage.com.au

Pretty damning result for the libs given the incompetence and corruption of the Andrews/Allen government's is no longer being hidden. A properly run moderate liberal party would be more like 20 points ahead of the ALP.

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[The Punter]

Who are OTHER 6%?

Small defined parties, such as the Shooters and Fishers, Animal Justice and Legalise Cannabis.

I’d be very surprised if state debt was a deciding factor

According to the polling, it seems the falling ALP votes is happening at the same time as people are unhappy with the budget and Tim Pallas' performance as Treasurer. I tend to agree with you as a primary source, but the broken promises (which they are clearly unhappy with) are being broken due to fiscal issues.

 

[adogsfan5]

Pretty damning result for the libs given the incompetence and corruption of the Andrews/Allen government's is no longer being hidden. A properly run moderate liberal party would be more like 20 points ahead of the ALP.

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Its bloody grim isn’t it. How can you possibly be that bad still.