Delisted Jack Martin [Selected by Carlton in the PSD]

[Robertio]

I think the issue is the history of Carlton overpaying players. There’s reasons for this- meeting TPP, enticing them to the club, keeping them at the club. We know the challenges and the rationale.

The problem could arise in future when the young kids managers coming out of contract use the McGovern and Martin contracts as an indicator for discussions with their players.

That’s where the challenge lies Harks. It’s the management of the entire list. With emerging talent over the next few years, contracts at your club are going to go significantly upward. So there needs to be prudence with the contracts for the players ranked beyond the first dozen players on the list. It’s a really tough job to do when there’s a squeeze in TPP, and a lot more fun when you are trying to make up the dollars the other way. Just have to make sure that if a club is doing the latter, they aren’t going to be pushing decent players out of the club when their contract is up. Or worse, further inflating these guys contracts in line with Martin and McGovern vs worth.

At the end of the day if a list manager achieves a flag with the list, it doesn’t matter who gets paid what. But the general premise of premiership lists shows you pay the gun players the top money, and there’s more financial sacrifices than overpaying. Looking forward to seeing how this list develops and how it’s managed as the kids get better and demand more $$$.

I'm sure you'll give us a daily account for the next five years.

 

[GcSunsfan]

That’s all well and good, but I don’t think he was worth $650-$700k per year when he was traded to Richmond.

Well that would have been a pay cut for Prestia he would have been on more than that at the suns.

He’s laughing now everyone was bagging him for choosing Richmond not looking to bad now is it

 

[Opine]

Prestia was and is 10x better then Martin even when he was at the suns.
Prestia was our best midfielder behind Ablett.
Prestia would get 30 disposals most weeks where as Martin has only done that ones in his entire career

With Prestia being 10 times better than Martin, a tenth of what you got for the former would have been appropriate for the latter.

 

[Arr0w]

People are allowed to have opinions on this forum. And to disagree with others.

I don’t believe Martins worth $600k a year for five years. I also think you guys overpaid McGovern so you have a history there.

That’s not a troll mate and I don’t know why a comment like that would get to you. On a discussion forum it really shouldn’t.

Again, who has stated he is getting $600 a year?

 

[Rich01]

To believe we overpaid for Mcgovern you would have to be 100 percent sure of his salary ..which you aren't. You are obviously just here for a troll so jog on

What do you want to see? A signed contract with $$ value on it to prove it? I believe he was overpaid based on the reports that came through when he was traded. I don’t need to be 100% sure of the exact terms to have an opinion mate. But obviously it differs to yours so that’s why you are taking offence.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

With Prestia being 10 times better than Martin, a tenth of what you got for the former would have been appropriate for the latter.

And I’m sure Richmond would’ve paid him an extra 100k a season if it guaranteed getting him for free instead of 6.

 

[Rich01]

That’s all well and good, but I don’t think he was worth $650-$700k per year when he was traded to Richmond.

Either did I. But he stepped up and performed.

My view is similar on Martin, as he hasn’t performed to the wage he’s put up. Carlton are paying him on what they hope he could be.

Other clubs have taken punts on players by paying them on potential and it hasn’t worked out for them - Mayne, Wells, Motlop, Vickery to name a few.

Will be interesting to see which way Jack goes.

 

[Rich01]

Don’t get precious, it wasn’t just pick 6 for Prestia and 24; you also threw in a second rounder.

Yep. It ended up Prestia, Caddy, Graham for Scrimshaw, Petrocelle and Narkle. What a win.

The trade that set up the first of our flags this decade.

 

[Bostonian]

It's kind of hilarious that so many of the same usernames are still here banging on about how we'll Carlton have played this.

Gold Coast still hold the whip hand. Fact. They can afford him, and they have the first pick. They'll decide what they want to do.

Jack Martin isn't contracted to GC.
Jack Martin doesn't want to be at GC.

The only thing redrafting him would do is create the impression that GC is a pack of POS vindictive campaigners.

 

[Arr0w]

What do you want to see? A signed contract with $$ value on it to prove it? I believe he was overpaid based on the reports that came through when he was traded. I don’t need to be 100% sure of the exact terms to have an opinion mate. But obviously it differs to yours so that’s why you are taking offence.

Hahaha

 

[La Dispute]

Other clubs have taken punts on players by paying them on potential and it hasn’t worked out for them - Mayne, Wells, Motlop, Vickery to name a few.

Every single contract is constructed on potential, and all those players mentioned having varying reasons for underperforming, although I’d argue Mayne has validated his contract.

Wells through injury, Vickery was overvalued in the first instance, Motlop was brought in on an overinflated contract because Port thought they had a premiership capable team...

600k really isn’t a massive contract. Martin’s needs to improve to justify the figure, but not by much. I’d back us to get at least the equivalent output from Martin.

 

[Rich01]

Again, who has stated he is getting $600 a year?

Don’t play dumb.
You must have your head in the sand if you haven’t read about his contract demands when he nominated for the PSD.

 

[Rich01]

...and though he may be somewhat overrated given his supposed 500k plus per season deal with GC, Ellis’s departure from Richmond may be the manifestation of the inflationary effect of over paying middle of the road players; as alluded to by Rich01. I can see now what Rich01 is referring to; he is drawing on his own teams current experience.

You are correct. Matching the GC contract for Ellis would have done exactly what you are suggesting. We have had to decline paying some of our fringe players too much and as a result regretfully some have left.

Our 2 x Premiership list has been pretty well managed over the past two years, but through the success we have lost guys like Corey and Brandon Ellis, Miles, Lloyd, Townsend, Butler and Menadue.

On the upside, the departure of those guys meant we could fit in Tom Lynch so it’s not all doom and gloom.

 

[Robertio]

You are correct. Matching the GC contract for Ellis would have done exactly what you are suggesting. We have had to decline paying some of our fringe players too much and as a result regretfully some have left.

Our 2 x Premiership list has been pretty well managed over the past two years, but through the success we have lost guys like Corey and Brandon Ellis, Miles, Lloyd, Townsend, Butler and Menadue.

On the upside, the departure of those guys meant we could fit in Tom Lynch so it’s not all doom and gloom.

Are you on here to tell us how bad we are or how good Richmond is?

 

[footyfan1978]

2 b a DH...lol

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Jack Martin isn't contracted to GC.
Jack Martin doesn't want to be at GC.

The only thing redrafting him would do is create the impression that GC is a pack of POS vindictive campaigners.

We all know it's not going to happen. This stipulated offer that Martin has placed on his head will ensure GC will not take him in the PSD..

 

[Jirik13]

We all know it's not going to happen. This stipulated offer that Martin has placed on his head will ensure GC will not take him in the PSD..

I don't think the first year salary is a issue for Suns. They were considering 800-900K for Crouch, Ah Chee was reportedly on 500K. Suns cleared a lot of TPP in the last 2 years.

FWIW, GC Bulletin reported this morning that Suns hierarchy is seriously considering drafting Martin. Personally, I don't want that to happen. On the other hand the melts here would be delicious.

SUNS CONSIDER SHOCK BID FOR MARTIN
Gold Coast are considering making the audacious move of selecting wantaway Sun Jack Martin in the AFL pre-season draft despite the $1 million price tag that comes with his first year.

 

[Jimbojay]

I don't think the first year salary is a issue for Suns. They were considering 800-900K for Crouch, Ah Chee was reportedly on 500K. Suns cleared a lot of TPP in the last 2 years.

FWIW, GC Bulletin reported this morning that Suns hierarchy is seriously considering drafting Martin. Personally, I don't want that to happen. On the other hand the melts here would be delicious.

So either Carlton get Martin without trading draft picks and are laughing, Or

The Suns re-draft Martin giving him over $1 mil for a year when he doesn't want to be there and 17 other clubs are laughing.

 

[Arr0w]

I don't think the first year salary is a issue for Suns. They were considering 800-900K for Crouch, Ah Chee was reportedly on 500K. Suns cleared a lot of TPP in the last 2 years.

FWIW, GC Bulletin reported this morning that Suns hierarchy is seriously considering drafting Martin. Personally, I don't want that to happen. On the other hand the melts here would be delicious.

Well someone is telling pokies

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[THE_GUN]

That’s all well and good, but I don’t think he was worth $650-$700k per year when he was traded to Richmond.

Agree 100%

Players usually get better when they arrive at Richmond

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Agree 100%

Players usually get better when they arrive at Richmond

... except Chris Yarran

 

[THE_GUN]

... except Chris Yarran

He never arrived lol

 

[manang magoos]

I don't think the first year salary is a issue for Suns. They were considering 800-900K for Crouch, Ah Chee was reportedly on 500K. Suns cleared a lot of TPP in the last 2 years.

FWIW, GC Bulletin reported this morning that Suns hierarchy is seriously considering drafting Martin. Personally, I don't want that to happen. On the other hand the melts here would be delicious.

Where’s this story coming from can’t mention of it anywhere must be Donald Trump fake news

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

Are you on here to tell us how bad we are or how good Richmond is?

 

[Peel67skin]

PSD Pick 1 Gold Coast Sun Tony special Jack Martin , but he don't want to be there, should put 5 million for 5 years in his contract then. One million for one years 2020 GCS got money to spend, worse come to worse like GWS salary dump and trade him for a penny like patton in 2020. Lol