Rumour Jack Steven Rumour

[burge13]

Why not? Pedophilia is as much a mental health issue as drug use. More, IMO.

Drug use isn't a mental health issue. Adults chose to use drugs and got addicted, their choice, their issue IMO. I have very little sympathy for an ice user, you know what it does and still chose to try it? Astute decision /s

As for pedophilia being a mental health disorder, thank christ you dont work for the WHO. 'They don't mean to f*ck innocent kids, they're just misunderstood and need our help'. GAGF

 

[Ron The Bear]

Drug use isn't a mental health issue. Adults chose to use drugs and got addicted, their choice, their issue IMO. I have very little sympathy for an ice user, you know what it does and still chose to try it? Astute decision /s

Couldn't agree more.

As for pedophilia being a mental health disorder, thank christ you dont work for the WHO. 'They don't mean to f*ck innocent kids, they're just misunderstood and need our help'. GAGF

Pedophilia and DSM-5

 

[Damon_3388]

I think someone else summed up the mental health stories quite well. It's a life long battle, not "i'm taking a week off for mental health", or a day off like Fasolo did last year. You don't just 'get better' and get the all clear to play footy again. I can honestly say whenever I hear a footy player use 'mental health' for time off I immediately think he's done something wrong and that's a cover. They usually 'recover' suspiciously quickly and the issue never brought up again...

Or perhaps a short period of time off (even a day) could be part of an overall strategy of care and maintenance of their health and wellbeing. Once identifying an issue, clubs may be open to giving guys some leeway to get away from everything for a short period, to reset and refresh.

Why do we have weekends, public holidays, RDOs, annual leave, etc? To take a mental and physical break from work. Sometimes people need more time beyond the "standard breaks" to get themselves into the optimal state of health and performance for work.

 

[the flying ham]

Its a disgrace for players to use mental illness as an excuse for anything.
Anyone with proper mental illness would not be able to play football. Needing a break is NOT mental illness. Mental illness is a LIFE long illness of the mind. Laugable these blokes claim they have mental illness for 2 weeks.
No idea about the subject.
If they need a break because of personal trauma then fine SAY that! but not mental illness thats a joke.
Id be very dissapointed if jack has done that to a team mate. We actually have a team thats building. With Jack (and harmony) we make finals this year. and prove every so called expert wrong.

To say that just shows how ill informed you really are.

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[RetroRandy66]

To say that just shows how ill informed you really are.

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you thinknyou can have mental illness for 2 weeks do you? and then be completely fine again afterwards!?

a bout of
depression is NOT MENTAL
ILLNESS **** HEAD

 

[Atomboy]

Stevo training with the main group tonight, looks like the leadership got over it pretty quick.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Seems to be the modern go to defence for anyone who gets caught doing the wrong thing, it's the best way to escape ridicule and gain pitty.

Humans are crafty ******s, if they see a socially accepted loophole they'll use it.

Yes effectively makes him immune from outrage

 

[the flying ham]

you thinknyou can have mental illness for 2 weeks do you? and then be completely fine again afterwards!?

a bout of
depression is NOT MENTAL
ILLNESS **** HEAD

Who says they are completely fine?

Plenty of people live in the shadows with mental illness, some with higher degrees of functioning than others. Wayne Schwass was suicidal when he won a flag with the roos. Not everyone sits in bed like that show you watched on television a few years back

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[Look2Me4Guidance]

That's great. Any actual evidence that this is the case here?

As I said earlier in the thread, the almost automatic skepticism and doubt people have in these situations doesn't make it any easier for people to open up and get help when their mental health and wellbeing is compromised.

You’re missing the point. Can’t be mad at the general public for forming an opinion that has proven right on multiple occasions. You should, like I, be more angry at those who use the mental health excuse as a cover up for poor behaviour. They are the ones who make it hard for the real sufferers to open up.

 

[the flying ham]

You’re missing the point. Can’t be mad at the general public for forming an opinion that has proven right on multiple occasions. You should, like I, be more angry at those who use the mental health excuse as a cover up for poor behaviour. They are the ones who make it hard for the real sufferers to open up.

Are you able to provide specific examples of said multiple occasions where you have been proven to be right?

This is the perfect example of why it makes it more difficult. You may have a theory, but am sure there is zero real evidence to support your theory.
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[Look2Me4Guidance]

Are you able to provide specific examples of said multiple occasions where you have been proven to be right?

This is the perfect example of why it makes it more difficult. You may have a theory, but am sure there is zero real evidence to support your theory.
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Garry Lyon - affair

Reported loophole to escape drug strikes - multiple players

Murderers, rapists, etc citing mental health as an excuse for their crimes - weekly in law courts.

Don’t be mad at me for having to summarise society for you

 

[the flying ham]

Garry Lyon - affair

Reported loophole to escape drug strikes - multiple players

Murderers, rapists, etc citing mental health as an excuse for their crimes - weekly in law courts.

Don’t be mad at me for having to summarise society for you

Any actual current listed AFL players?

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[StillAtLarge]

Stevo training with the main group tonight, looks like the leadership got over it pretty quick.

I heard there was a vote- steven was subsequently gelded and has been welcomed back with open arms

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

Any actual current listed AFL players?

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Can you not read point 2?

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

I heard there was a vote- steven was subsequently gelded and has been welcomed back with open arms

Will be a late call up for The All Star Mile

 

[the flying ham]

Can you not read point 2?

I reckon there is a bit of a false equivalence equating the drug policy loophole to the same as a player such as Jack Steven publically declaring a mental illness and taking time off

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[the flying ham]

And I think AFL players are underrepresented when it comes to mental illness compared to wider society. So if a player were to come forward and publically declare they are having some dramas, I'm inclined to think they are.

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[Look2Me4Guidance]

I reckon there is a bit of a false equivalence equating the drug policy loophole to the same as a player such as Jack Steven publically declaring a mental illness and taking time off

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Isn’t that the reason this whole debate started?

People have different perceptions of a situation based on others previously in that situation and their behaviour which is my whole point. I don’t agree with it but surely it’s not hard to fathom how many reach that conclusion based on previous scenarios.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Yes effectively makes him immune from outrage

Outrage repellant

 

[Atomboy]

I heard there was a vote- steven was subsequently gelded and has been welcomed back with open arms

Well it logically wouldn't have been open legs...

 

[Ron The Bear]

Well it logically wouldn't have been open legs...

Thanks for the Who earworm.

(If you’re young then don’t worry about it, you won’t understand.)

 

[kaiserchief13]

He's not the first example, but he's the most recent - how does someone recover from mental illness after a few weeks?

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

He's not the first example, but he's the most recent - how does someone recover from mental illness after a few weeks?

Some can handle it better than others, some have a mild case vs deep case, plenty of variables. No different to injury in the aspect that some people can recover quicker than others usually based on similar variables

 

[the flying ham]

He's not the first example, but he's the most recent - how does someone recover from mental illness after a few weeks?

Not sure where it has said he has recovered or any of the other high profile people who have admitted mental illness. He has simply returned to training.

He has likely had some treatment and therefor may be medicated, doing therapy, made changes to routine, meditating or all of the above etc

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[Proper Gander]

He's not the first example, but he's the most recent - how does someone recover from mental illness after a few weeks?

Plenty would return to their normal routine after a relatively short rest. It’s not a matter of suddenly recovering. More that you’ve returned to a point where you can function. Returning to a routine - even part time - assists some people’s recovery. Particularly if your normal routine involves exercise which is about as good a strategy as you will get in terms of elevating mood and restoring sleep patterns.