Traded Jack Watts [traded to Port Adelaide]

[Red Bull]

Hawthorn side I heard because it allows Gunston to stay back.

Vickery and Watts
They'd be keeping opposition coaches awake at nights ...

 

[Sweet Jesus]

There won't be a bidding war, because Watts is more likely to go with the club that has the best proposal for how it fits him in their team, not the highest price. But they will need to have something the Demons want.

Do the Demons want a second-round draft pick?

 

[DaTBird187]

Notice to Bigfooty.

Despite his height, Watts is not a "key forward".

Think "link".

Which means he is perfect for Port in a set role.

Stick him next to Dixon and Marshall.

 

[Amarula]

Do the Demons want a second-round draft pick?

Don't know. The few noises that have come out from the club so far indicate that they're not going to fight too hard to keep him. But they're probably not going to accept anything too outrageous either.
Fair to say too that other clubs are aware of this and will trade accordingly. In the past, if Melbourne have wanted to keep Watts, he hasn't been prepared to talk to anyone, even during & after the Neeld era when to leave might have been better for him. The fact that he's now prepared to talk means that Watts has got the clear message that they no longer want him.
Perhaps a better way to answer your question is that they'll be happy with anything that fits into their trade strategy, even if it's not much in itself.
For example, Watts and pick 10 to Pies in exchange for pick 6, if pick 6 helps them land Lever while preserving another first or second rounder. That of course depends on whether Adelaide see pick 6 as significantly higher value than pick 10, and whether the Pies think that they might still land a first-round target at pick 10.
On the other hand, considering that Port and Collingwood seem to be the two teams he's spoken to so far, they probably would accept Port's second rounder, or a fringe player like Impey with a token exchange of picks. Or a similar offer from Pies or anybody else.
Watts has never struck me as the sort of guy who'd just take the highest offer. He's likely to be more interested in any club who will use him like Adelaide uses Lynch, because that's his caper.

 

[Amarula]

Which means he is perfect for Port in a set role.

Stick him next to Dixon and Marshall.

Again, think of Tom Lynch (Adelaide). If you can think of Lynch in your side, possibly for a second-rounder, then that's it. Especially if your mids & running defenders can actually hit within 5 metres of a target coming down the ground.
Whether he'll be as good as Lynch or not, that remains to be seen.

 

[Vindicater]

You would think a second round pick would get him.

Demons would be hoping to turn Watts and their first into Lever.

 

[Xhoquelin]

I think as a player Watts is better than Lynch.

Watts is a beautiful set shot and kick, I think he's elite in both categories while I'd have Lynch as borderline elite in these categories.

Watts has also played as a rebounding/intercept defender, midfielder, ruck/forward as well, and as a ruck/forward and defender he actually had very good seasons. Watts is also a better contested mark than Lynch.

Lynch seems to use his speed and endurance more and apply more pressure. If you go back to the combine stats I think Jack ran a 2.9~ for the 20m sprint which is very very quick. But he almost never uses this pace and sometimes can seem fairly lethargic.

With Jack I think at worst you've got to consider him as a Tom Lynch where he kicked 38 last year. But I think honestly you've got a supremely gifted player with X factor. I'd really be reluctant to give him up unless it basically means pick 10+Watts gets us Lever directly. And in any trade we'd have to get a nice piece back. If Port want Watts I couldn't accept any less than Dan Houston as they don't have a first rounder. Would be so pissed if we were after hacks like Impey who wouldn't even be best 22 at the Dee's. If Collingwood want Watts we should be enquiring about Scharenberg, Sidebottom, Maynard(who can come play with his brother).

Watts is continuously shat on by other teams, and it is utterly infuriating that Goodwin would trade Watts after he finally dispelled some of those "lazy" tags after his Herculean efforts vs the Cats and his retribution against the Pies on Queens Birthday.

Watts epitomises the struggles that the Dee's have faced in the last decade, so to see him fulfil his talent at another club would be absolutely heartbreaking. So that's why I think if we do trade him we have to get a nice piece or a pick back. Because I really think with the right coach, Watts is going to win someone a premiership.

 

[DaTBird187]

Again, think of Tom Lynch (Adelaide). If you can think of Lynch in your side, possibly for a second-rounder, then that's it. Especially if your mids & running defenders can actually hit within 5 metres of a target coming down the ground.
Whether he'll be as good as Lynch or not, that remains to be seen.

Bingo!

 

[rainwizard39]

Melbourne isn't getting a second round pick for watts. Their basically forcing him to move it'll be a cheap trade for whoever takes him. Melbourne are desperate to loose him by what we've been hearing and it's hard to argue it with the signs that's been shown.

At best port would give demons would be a 3rd round with another low pick they'd get from the suns as at this point suns have interest in lobbe, ah chee and young. So maybe 2 3rd round picks or a late 2nd.

 

[Joao]

Melbourne isn't getting a second round pick for watts. Their basically forcing him to move it'll be a cheap trade for whoever takes him. Melbourne are desperate to loose him by what we've been hearing and it's hard to argue it with the signs that's been shown.

At best port would give demons would be a 3rd round with another low pick they'd get from the suns as at this point suns have interest in lobbe, ah chee and young. So maybe 2 3rd round picks or a late 2nd.

Reckon there is zero chance of it being a 3rd. Classic BF buyer undervaluing.

As a neutral I would think pick 20 was about right. Give or take 5 spots depending on how desperate each club is to let him go/pick him up.

 

[Trav 20]

Melbourne isn't getting a second round pick for watts. Their basically forcing him to move it'll be a cheap trade for whoever takes him. Melbourne are desperate to loose him by what we've been hearing and it's hard to argue it with the signs that's been shown.

At best port would give demons would be a 3rd round with another low pick they'd get from the suns as at this point suns have interest in lobbe, ah chee and young. So maybe 2 3rd round picks or a late 2nd.

More nonsense.

He's contracted for another 2 years, so unless a deal is reasonable he'll be required to stay.

Melbourne hold the aces here.

 

[longdonkey]

More nonsense.

He's contracted for another 2 years, so unless a deal is reasonable he'll be required to stay.

Melbourne hold the aces here.

To be fair Watts is a good player but when you are showing the guy the door you can't turn around and ask for too much because all clubs are going to shy away from the risk. At the end of the day if Port are the club he wishes to go to it will depend on what we get for Impey, Young, Ahchee and Lobbe. Next year is apparently a good draft year possibly with a few gun SA players so its possible that we will be wanting to swap around picks to get what we want maybe trading up what we get for those 4 players. Also this trade is pretty dependant on what happens with Motlop and Rockliff because if Rockliff doesn't come we might target another midfielder instead of Watts.

 

[ZingerB]

Reckon there is zero chance of it being a 3rd. Classic BF buyer undervaluing.

As a neutral I would think pick 20 was about right. Give or take 5 spots depending on how desperate each club is to let him go/pick him up.

Yeah I would be as offended as a Melbourne supporter with a 3rd round offer as I was with the Dan Houston straight swap. 20 is maybe a touch high but certainly no lower than 25ish. Can see us offering our second and some pick swap to make up the difference. But lets get real If they don't want him gone they wouldn't be actively shopping. If their first demand was something stupid I would just get up and walk away. We're interested because he will be relatively cheap, no point in wasting all of the trade period trying to haggle if Melbourne aren't as desperate to get rid of him as they are suggesting.

 

[LeverPuller]

To be fair Watts is a good player but when you are showing the guy the door you can't turn around and ask for too much because all clubs are going to shy away from the risk. At the end of the day if Port are the club he wishes to go to it will depend on what we get for Impey, Young, Ahchee and Lobbe. Next year is apparently a good draft year possibly with a few gun SA players so its possible that we will be wanting to swap around picks to get what we want maybe trading up what we get for those 4 players. Also this trade is pretty dependant on what happens with Motlop and Rockliff because if Rockliff doesn't come we might target another midfielder instead of Watts.

MFC has asked him to explore his options but is happy to keep him. You'd think that they aren't going to throw him out for a 3rd in that event.

I think the interesting wrinkle out of it is what the Trengove compo is. If Trengove is an end-of-first then it's pretty simple.

Trengove to WB (assuming here)
Port end of 1st > Melbourne for Watts
MFC 1st plus Port Compo > Adelaide for Lever

MFC holds their 2018 1st and their 2nd rounder this year, Port gets their man, Adelaide gets adequate compo.

 

[PAFC_1870]

MFC has asked him to explore his options but is happy to keep him. You'd think that they aren't going to throw him out for a 3rd in that event.

I think the interesting wrinkle out of it is what the Trengove compo is. If Trengove is an end-of-first then it's pretty simple.

Trengove to WB (assuming here)
Port end of 1st > Melbourne for Watts
MFC 1st plus Port Compo > Adelaide for Lever

MFC holds their 2018 1st and their 2nd rounder this year, Port gets their man, Adelaide gets adequate compo.

Cool story.

Motlop would cancel out a FA compo. And it sure as hell won't be end of first. Which is above Watt's value anyway. His number 1 selection is irrelevant.

 

[LeverPuller]

Cool story.

Motlop would cancel out a FA compo. And it sure as hell won't be end of first. Which is above Watt's value anyway. His number 1 selection is irrelevant.

His value is higher than 29. If the compo was end of first maybe Melbourne throws a nothing pick back in return or something.

If he goes I'm wanting a pick around the 20-25 mark. End of first is 19 so that's pretty close.

 

[Trav 20]

To be fair Watts is a good player but when you are showing the guy the door you can't turn around and ask for too much because all clubs are going to shy away from the risk. At the end of the day if Port are the club he wishes to go to it will depend on what we get for Impey, Young, Ahchee and Lobbe. Next year is apparently a good draft year possibly with a few gun SA players so its possible that we will be wanting to swap around picks to get what we want maybe trading up what we get for those 4 players. Also this trade is pretty dependant on what happens with Motlop and Rockliff because if Rockliff doesn't come we might target another midfielder instead of Watts.

Who said he was a good player ? Not me.

But the MFC controls this deal, no-one else.

 

[rainwizard39]

Reckon there is zero chance of it being a 3rd. Classic BF buyer undervaluing.

As a neutral I would think pick 20 was about right. Give or take 5 spots depending on how desperate each club is to let him go/pick him up.

Next time read what I wrote. MELBOURNE IS BASICLY KICKING HIM OUT. What team would pay a top 25 pick for a player the team is trying to loose?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

MFC has asked him to explore his options but is happy to keep him. You'd think that they aren't going to throw him out for a 3rd in that event.

I think the interesting wrinkle out of it is what the Trengove compo is. If Trengove is an end-of-first then it's pretty simple.

Trengove to WB (assuming here)
Port end of 1st > Melbourne for Watts
MFC 1st plus Port Compo > Adelaide for Lever

MFC holds their 2018 1st and their 2nd rounder this year, Port gets their man, Adelaide gets adequate compo.

Motlop will cancel out the compo pick for port and i doubt Trengove nets Port band 2 compo anyway.

 

[LeverPuller]

Next time read what I wrote. MELBOURNE IS BASICLY KICKING HIM OUT. What team would pay a top 25 pick for a player the team is trying to loose?

Goodwin is on the record saying they're happy to keep him but asked him to explore his options.

Which means they'd like to get rid of him but they also want to get his value.

He's still got 2 years on his contract so if clubs try to play stupid games we can just hold him. It's not a big deal. The supporters would rather hold him than give him up for a packet of chips.

 

[longdonkey]

His value is higher than 29. If the compo was end of first maybe Melbourne throws a nothing pick back in return or something.

If he goes I'm wanting a pick around the 20-25 mark. End of first is 19 so that's pretty close.

I agree with you his true value will be 20-25 but you may not get real value if you want him gone. Now I don't think that it should be a 3rd round choice. If Port were to get a compo pick for Trengove in the 2nd Round I'm sure they would happily pass it on to Melbourne but that isn't happening because Motlop will cancel out any possible compo. That leaves Port with Pick 31, Pick 49 anything they get from Impey, Young, Lobbe, AhChee and next years picks which I think will be off limits. So if something can't be worked out with these trades/picks its not going to happen. I think best case scenario for Melbourne is Pick 24 if Gold Coast swap a bunch of picks/players with us . Pick 26 if Western Bulldogs are trading for Impey we might get that pick or perhaps Pick 31 and Pick 33.

 

[schmuttt]

I think as a player Watts is better than Lynch.

Watts is a beautiful set shot and kick, I think he's elite in both categories while I'd have Lynch as borderline elite in these categories.

Watts has also played as a rebounding/intercept defender, midfielder, ruck/forward as well, and as a ruck/forward and defender he actually had very good seasons. Watts is also a better contested mark than Lynch.

Lynch seems to use his speed and endurance more and apply more pressure. If you go back to the combine stats I think Jack ran a 2.9~ for the 20m sprint which is very very quick. But he almost never uses this pace and sometimes can seem fairly lethargic.

With Jack I think at worst you've got to consider him as a Tom Lynch where he kicked 38 last year. But I think honestly you've got a supremely gifted player with X factor. I'd really be reluctant to give him up unless it basically means pick 10+Watts gets us Lever directly. And in any trade we'd have to get a nice piece back. If Port want Watts I couldn't accept any less than Dan Houston as they don't have a first rounder. Would be so pissed if we were after hacks like Impey who wouldn't even be best 22 at the Dee's. If Collingwood want Watts we should be enquiring about Scharenberg, Sidebottom, Maynard(who can come play with his brother).

Watts is continuously shat on by other teams, and it is utterly infuriating that Goodwin would trade Watts after he finally dispelled some of those "lazy" tags after his Herculean efforts vs the Cats and his retribution against the Pies on Queens Birthday.

Watts epitomises the struggles that the Dee's have faced in the last decade, so to see him fulfil his talent at another club would be absolutely heartbreaking. So that's why I think if we do trade him we have to get a nice piece or a pick back. Because I really think with the right coach, Watts is going to win someone a premiership.

Watts is definitely not better than Lynch lmao, take the Melbourne goggles off mate. How is it utterly infuriating? He played 4 games after his injury, 3 were horrid (Lack of effort) and 1 was passable (Vs Collingwood). He obviously wasn't meeting some goals over the preseason and was sat out of the JLT, disappointing that a player of his age and experience still isn't getting these things right. Even Jones has publicly put it on him in recent times to lift his efforts, they wouldn't be doing that without reason.

Jacks best is AA standard but his bad games are absolutely putrid.

 

[JC83]

I think as a player Watts is better than Lynch.

Watts is a beautiful set shot and kick, I think he's elite in both categories while I'd have Lynch as borderline elite in these categories.

Watts has also played as a rebounding/intercept defender, midfielder, ruck/forward as well, and as a ruck/forward and defender he actually had very good seasons. Watts is also a better contested mark than Lynch.

Lynch seems to use his speed and endurance more and apply more pressure. If you go back to the combine stats I think Jack ran a 2.9~ for the 20m sprint which is very very quick. But he almost never uses this pace and sometimes can seem fairly lethargic.

With Jack I think at worst you've got to consider him as a Tom Lynch where he kicked 38 last year. But I think honestly you've got a supremely gifted player with X factor. I'd really be reluctant to give him up unless it basically means pick 10+Watts gets us Lever directly. And in any trade we'd have to get a nice piece back. If Port want Watts I couldn't accept any less than Dan Houston as they don't have a first rounder. Would be so pissed if we were after hacks like Impey who wouldn't even be best 22 at the Dee's. If Collingwood want Watts we should be enquiring about Scharenberg, Sidebottom, Maynard(who can come play with his brother).

Watts is continuously shat on by other teams, and it is utterly infuriating that Goodwin would trade Watts after he finally dispelled some of those "lazy" tags after his Herculean efforts vs the Cats and his retribution against the Pies on Queens Birthday.

Watts epitomises the struggles that the Dee's have faced in the last decade, so to see him fulfil his talent at another club would be absolutely heartbreaking. So that's why I think if we do trade him we have to get a nice piece or a pick back. Because I really think with the right coach, Watts is going to win someone a premiership.

LOL @ Watts for Sidebottom.
Even a slight lol at Maynard or Scharenberg for that matter. I'd be dumbfounded if anyone would prefer Jack Watts over any of those names on their list, Maynard a young line breaking bull ready to step into the middle, Scharenberg having his first year after 2 knees with huge upside and Sidebottom who is a proven gun. Watts is an underperforming pick 1 with one good year to his name, the remainder being pretty average given his supposed talent.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Would take him, allows us to move Hooker back and matches complements Stewart and Daniher well. Would only part with a second rounder at most though.

 

[Bazza97]

Think it's best that Watts has a fresh start at a new club. Even though he's contracted, his value at the trade table goes down due to Melbourne encouraging him to explore his options which is a sign that they're happy for him to leave. Also rumours that a lot of players at Melbourne are fed up with him. Whichever club trades for him will get him pretty cheap. I'm fine with Watts getting traded tbh, think it's best for him and the club.