Toast Jamarra Ugle-Hagan - Welcome to the club

[Dogs_R_Us]

For all his haters, Hannan was brilliant at blocking for Naughton. I really, really don't rate Hannan as a defender

I prefer Hannan up forward, good overhead mark, quite quick and can kick a goal. Our defence is so threadbare though, he might have to stay there until we get Daniel and Duryea back at least.

I wonder what they’re going to do about O’Brien. And Crozier. What’s brought about this form slump?

 

[doggies ftw]

In the same way Eade's small forward line caused chaos due to the talent in there and how they spread (Johnno, Hahn, Robbins, Akermanis, Higgins, etc virtually never contested against each other - they just caused panic in oppo defences by running to space and to open up space), as Dog 36 says, we really need to sort out how all these riches we have can also play to the team's maximum benefit.

It's not only Naughton and JUH or Naughton and Hannan/Weightman either, it's sometimes 3 or more forwards flying in the same contest. I know Cody is a good overhead mark, but if he is in the same piece of F50 as the big boys, his job should be to stay down and pick off the spillage or apply defensive pressure if a defender takes possession. Same with all the smalls - if you are the only one in the vicinity, fly by all means, but if there is a KPF as the target, FGS stay down and play the percentages.

It's interesting that English often takes marks in F50 with no other team-mates flying against him, yet anyone else, even Naughton, and everyone seems to be having a go.

Is Spangher the right person to be coaching this? I don't know, but we certainly need to sort out the forward line to be more cohesive.

Cody flying 4 deep in a pack is beyond a joke now. More than happy for him to have a crack at sitting on someone’s head every now and then when he’s one out and happy for him to present as a marking option. But when he’s in a pack with Naughty & Jamarra he needs to be front and centre it’s that simple.

The fact that this is still happening week in week out, either he’s not getting the message and as good as he is (and I rate him extremely highly, potentially best small forward in the comp highly) he needs a week or two in the 2s for it to sink in.

But I’m not buying that, he’s a super selfless, hard working team oriented player for the most part - so if he was being instructed to play his role as a small I’d suggest he would be. I really don’t think he’s being instructed to stay down tbh.

I don’t know what’s being instructed to any of the forwards but if it really is oh everyone fly and someone should mark it!!! It really explains a lot

 

[King Harold]

Darcy is 2 years off being a force and Ugle-Hagan is a VFL level player for the time being. We all want the Club to up 2016 but living in dream land doesn't work.

You and me are old fossil‘s that will remember the great white hope out of Traralgon.
The great super boot was virtually hounded out of the club by impatient supporters.
In the end he was sold for $70 k to cover for a corrupt administration.

His early years were nothing to write home about , but his talent was on show for everyone who knew anything about Footy.
Jamarra is going through the same phase .
Sure he dosnt get belted in the back of the head like Bernie coped back in his day , but he does have to cope with the flooding that is the norm these days.
He needs to play AFL now and we have to accept his up and down form for now.
I think the reward will be worth waiting for.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Marra moves well - really well - in traffic.

Dare I say it, HF / wing potential? Beautiful sidestep, can mark, quick and sublime left foot kicking into the F50.

I know its a cliche but Marra genuinely moves like Bont at times, especially in traffic

 

[CDBulldog]

Many of today’s premier power forwards were genuinely shit in their first 2-3 seasons. Nevertheless, you look for the signs which show the potential. JUH has them in spades!!

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Many of today’s premier power forwards were genuinely s**t in their first 2-3 seasons. Nevertheless, you look for the signs which show the potential. JUH has them in spades!!

Tom Hawkins for example. Now well over 30 and at his peak.

 

[doggies ftw]

I think people are kidding themselves if they think JUH doesn’t end up genuine KPF size. It’s a bonus that he’s showing elite movement in traffic, and classy skills around the ground and a great ground ball game even though he’s 197cm.

He was drafted as an absolute twig -


But his frame is actually pretty wide and he’s already developing physically a huge amount from where he was this time last year. He’s 20 ffs




He’s going to be a huge unit at 25, will be 197 & well over 100kgs - he’s not a flipping Bailey Fritsch lmao, he’s a contested marking power forward as he showed in juniors - he’s just obviously way too under developed to play that role at the top level.

The fact that he’s got elite speed, goalsense, ground skills and agility is just the cherry on top. Throw in a bit of an aggressive streak and it’s a hell of a prospect we have.

So many campaigners on here going to look very bloody stupid in 3 or 4 years, he’s 20!!!

 

[adogsfan5]

I think people are kidding themselves if they think JUH doesn’t end up genuine KPF size. It’s a bonus that he’s showing elite movement in traffic, and classy skills around the ground and a great ground ball game even though he’s 197cm.

He was drafted as an absolute twig -
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But his frame is actually pretty wide and he’s already developing physically a huge amount from where he was this time last year. He’s 20 ffs

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He’s going to be a huge unit at 25 he’s not a *ing Bailey Fritsch lmao, he’s a contested marking power forward as he showed in juniors - he’s just obviously way too under developed to play that role at the top level.

The fact that he’s got elite speed, goalsense, ground skills and agility is just the cherry on top. Throw in a bit of an aggressive streak and it’s a hell of a prospect we have.

So many campaigners on here going to look very bloody stupid in 3 or 4 years, he’s 20!!!

I can honestly see him having a mixed bag of being a really good contested market, being a nightmare on the lead but also kicking goals at ground level.

 

[doggies ftw]

I can honestly see him having a mixed bag of being a really good contested market, being a nightmare on the lead but also kicking goals at ground level.

Yeah absolutely, it’s why he’s such a highly rated talent, it’s rare to have just about everything in your bag as he does. plus it’s just the natural goal sense and confidence he has in front of goal which is a nice change of pace for us - he’s been a forward his whole life and it shows.

He’s never going to be a Naughty in the air but not many are - they compliment each other so well. If we’re jealous of the Geelong/Carlton duos now just wait, we’ll have our own 60+ goal a piece key forward duos in a few years

 

[CDBulldog]

I think people are kidding themselves if they think JUH doesn’t end up genuine KPF size. It’s a bonus that he’s showing elite movement in traffic, and classy skills around the ground and a great ground ball game even though he’s 197cm.

He was drafted as an absolute twig -
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But his frame is actually pretty wide and he’s already developing physically a huge amount from where he was this time last year. He’s 20 ffs

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He’s going to be a huge unit at 25, will be 197 & well over 100kgs - he’s not a *ing Bailey Fritsch lmao, he’s a contested marking power forward as he showed in juniors - he’s just obviously way too under developed to play that role at the top level.

The fact that he’s got elite speed, goalsense, ground skills and agility is just the cherry on top. Throw in a bit of an aggressive streak and it’s a hell of a prospect we have.

So many campaigners on here going to look very bloody stupid in 3 or 4 years, he’s 20!!!

Agree. He’s also got a hell of a Leap on him thanks to his altheticism (for his size) and basketball background (he was big into basketball). He also has the Naughton ability to mark the ball at its highest point. He will be deadly in a few years. Coming along nicely. I’m predicting next year will be his breakout year.

 

[ScragCity]

I think people are kidding themselves if they think JUH doesn’t end up genuine KPF size. It’s a bonus that he’s showing elite movement in traffic, and classy skills around the ground and a great ground ball game even though he’s 197cm.

He was drafted as an absolute twig -
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But his frame is actually pretty wide and he’s already developing physically a huge amount from where he was this time last year. He’s 20 ffs

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He’s going to be a huge unit at 25, will be 197 & well over 100kgs - he’s not a *ing Bailey Fritsch lmao, he’s a contested marking power forward as he showed in juniors - he’s just obviously way too under developed to play that role at the top level.

The fact that he’s got elite speed, goalsense, ground skills and agility is just the cherry on top. Throw in a bit of an aggressive streak and it’s a hell of a prospect we have.

So many campaigners on here going to look very bloody stupid in 3 or 4 years, he’s 20!!!

Naughton was already a contested marking beast at 20. So was Max King. I haven't seen any of that from Jamarra so far. He's always gonna be a skinny leading utility type.

 

[doggies ftw]

Naughton was already a contested marking beast at 20. So was Max King. I haven't seen any of that from Jamarra so far. He's always gonna be a skinny leading utility type.

Lol Naughty & King are quite obviously the exception not the norm, plus they were completely different development wise coming into the league - Naughty being a brick shithouse from day 1 and King being 3000cm tall.

Hawkins has avged 1.6 contested marks a game over the past two years - would you classify him as a skinny leading utility? Jamarras avgd close to 2 since coming back into the side at round 14, and will easily avg over 2 a game throughout his career. Most players don’t just clunk bulk CMs straight out of the draft, look at someone like Marshall who was an absolute crab for years before finally starting to become a good contested mark this year.

No he’ll never be a Naughty/King aerially but he’ll absolutely be a 197cm/100kg key forward.

Definitely no leading utility/flanker - I’m not sure two of the best contested marks to walk into the league in years are the measuring stick to being considered a key/power forward.

 

[weltschmerz]

JUH is averaging more contested marks than Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

31

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

.

 

[TiAn_]

I think people are kidding themselves if they think JUH doesn’t end up genuine KPF size. It’s a bonus that he’s showing elite movement in traffic, and classy skills around the ground and a great ground ball game even though he’s 197cm.

He was drafted as an absolute twig -
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But his frame is actually pretty wide and he’s already developing physically a huge amount from where he was this time last year. He’s 20 ffs

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He’s going to be a huge unit at 25, will be 197 & well over 100kgs - he’s not a *ing Bailey Fritsch lmao, he’s a contested marking power forward as he showed in juniors - he’s just obviously way too under developed to play that role at the top level.

The fact that he’s got elite speed, goalsense, ground skills and agility is just the cherry on top. Throw in a bit of an aggressive streak and it’s a hell of a prospect we have.

So many campaigners on here going to look very bloody stupid in 3 or 4 years, he’s 20!!!

I watched a lot of his underage season games via the NAB app and to my eye he was very much a lead and mark forward that could occasionally take a hanger and was nimble at ground level. He wasn’t splitting packs or wrestling blokes 1v1.

He’s more Jeremy Cameron than Tom Hawkins. Though Cameron was far further along at the same age.

 

[doggies ftw]

I watched a lot of his underage season games via the NAB app and to my eye he was very much a lead and mark forward that could occasionally take a hanger and was nimble at ground level. He wasn’t splitting packs or wrestling blokes 1v1.

He’s more Jeremy Cameron than Tom Hawkins. Though Cameron was far further along at the same age.

I agree he’s more Cameron than Hawkins but Cameron is a farcry from Fritsch. He’s still going to be 197/100+ and a genuine key forward. More Barry Hall than Naughty, I.e more comfortable on a lead than standing in a pack under a high ball.

In recent weeks he’s shown more than enough to suggest at his peak size he’ll comfortably be around a 2 CM per game avg, which would have him top 10 in the comp, or top 5 for key forwards. Great leap, sticky hands and marks at the highest point, just needs the body strength to hold his ground and the tank for repeat efforts.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

I think people are kidding themselves if they think JUH doesn’t end up genuine KPF size. It’s a bonus that he’s showing elite movement in traffic, and classy skills around the ground and a great ground ball game even though he’s 197cm.

He was drafted as an absolute twig -
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But his frame is actually pretty wide and he’s already developing physically a huge amount from where he was this time last year. He’s 20 ffs

View attachment 1450018
View attachment 1450020

He’s going to be a huge unit at 25, will be 197 & well over 100kgs - he’s not a *ing Bailey Fritsch lmao, he’s a contested marking power forward as he showed in juniors - he’s just obviously way too under developed to play that role at the top level.

The fact that he’s got elite speed, goalsense, ground skills and agility is just the cherry on top. Throw in a bit of an aggressive streak and it’s a hell of a prospect we have.

So many campaigners on here going to look very bloody stupid in 3 or 4 years, he’s 20!!!

Yeah I'm very confident Marra will fill out into a big unit. He'll always be athletic but not going to be a twig.

 

[ScragCity]

No he’ll never be a Naughty/King aerially but he’ll absolutely be a 197cm/100kg key forward.

That size isn't big in the modern game. It's certainly not big enough to give you some innate advantage. Josh Schache is around that size and he is more of a lead and mark utility/flanker than a power forward. It's not about being "197/100," it's about strength, aggression and a natural ability to crash packs and wrestle defenders. I haven't seen anything like that from JUH. He seems suited to being a third tall who will complement the others but not someone who you'd want as your focal point. More Bailey Fritsch than Tom Lynch. Doesn't really mean much that he's 9cms taller than Fritsch, it's a comparison of playstyle and his individual strengths and deficiencies.

 

[TiAn_]

I agree he’s more Cameron than Hawkins but Cameron is a farcry from Fritsch. He’s still going to be 197/100+ and a genuine key forward. More Barry Hall than Naughty, I.e more comfortable on a lead than standing in a pack under a high ball.

In recent weeks he’s shown more than enough to suggest at his peak size he’ll comfortably be around a 2 CM per game avg, which would have him top 10 in the comp, or top 5 for key forwards. Great leap, sticky hands and marks at the highest point, just needs the body strength to hold his ground and the tank for repeat efforts.

Yeah he’s taken 8 CMs in 4 weeks, but half of them were against a side rolling out debutant James Blanck as it’s only key defender. I wouldn’t be extrapolating career averages from this stretch.

The thing to me I think is a bit indicative of what type of player he is is that his only multiple goal game this season just came in his first game for the year he didn’t take multiple marks.

 

[VitalDread]

Yeah he’s taken 8 CMs in 4 weeks, but half of them were against a side rolling out debutant James Blanck as it’s only key defender. I wouldn’t be extrapolating career averages from this stretch.

The thing to me I think is a bit indicative of what type of player he is is that his only multiple goal game this season just came in his first game for the year he didn’t take multiple marks.

Someone taking marks/kicking goals against weaker oppo/teams will help his confidence

 

[1961grandfinal]

Watched him up close on friday night, almost one year to the day since his first game against the Swans. The two performances were chalk and cheese as he has come so far in that time. The covid year he missed in the under 18’s must have affected his development and his changes after some time in the system are obvious.
He has poise and balance, time with the ball as he floated through the defence, a strong tackle which was only fleeting and yet to grab his marks but he has what is needed to be a player. Experienced players like the bont and Bruce are needed to encourage, teach and support him
He may not be a superstar but if he can be the best that he can be then what more could he and we want.

 

[H Dolphin]

Watched him up close on Saturday night, almost one year to the day since his first game against the Swans. The two performances were chalk and cheese as he has come so far in that time. The covid year he missed in the under 18’s must have affected his development and his changes after some time in the system are obvious.
He has poise and balance, time with the ball as he floated through the defence, a strong tackle which was only fleeting and yet to grab his marks but he has what is needed to be a player. Experienced players like the bont and Bruce are needed to encourage, teach and support him
He may not be a superstar but if he can be the best that he can be then what more could he and we want.

Saturday Night ?

 

[1961grandfinal]

Thx, fixed it. At my age, who knows or cares what day it is.

 

[Woof]

JUH is averaging more contested marks than Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

31

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

.

I see Cameron as the most comparable player for JUH. Strong on the lead, can take a strong mark, great foot skills. I know he’s not everyone’s cup of tea but he is a proper gun. If JUH turns out like Cameron we’ll win flags.

 

[H Dolphin]

I see Cameron as the most comparable player for JUH. Strong on the lead, can take a strong mark, great foot skills. I know he’s not everyone’s cup of tea but he is a proper gun. If JUH turns out like Cameron we’ll win flags.

A comparison with Cameron, high praise. He and Griff went pig shooting in northern NSW following the 2016 Prelim, couldn't bring themselves to watch the Grand. Griff's skill with GWS were never as good as they were when he was with us. Imagine how he must have felt.

 

[doggies ftw]

A comparison with Cameron, high praise. He and Griff went pig shooting in northern NSW following the 2016 Prelim, couldn't bring themselves to watch the Grand. Griff's skill with GWS were never as good as they were when he was with us. Imagine how he must have felt.

He would have won the same amount of premierships whether he stayed or left, 0