Player Watch Jason Horne-Francis - You were always one of us

[TeeKray]

Saccus Hinkley

This is the new Latin motto of the Port board.

 

[raptalia]

The Australian reporting that any deal is OFF because JHF only wanted Port and Port have not been able to come up with a suitable deal. Try again in 12 months.

If so that is one part of the Murdoch empire reporting a different story to the rest of the empire.

Revealed: Three-way mega-deal that can get Horne-Francis home, mean Roos own picks 1 and 2

Revealed: Three-way mega-deal that can get JHF home, give Kangaroos picks 1 and 2

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[TazD]

I’m sure our new midfield coach could come up with a plan to counter this.

"We're going to let them terrorise JHF"

 

[Byrons Firen]

You gotta take risks this is the exact type of risk you must take.

Fair call, my post was born out of belligerence about Kingy's comment. I started out philosophical about JHF and the price we'd have to pay

but all the nasty BS around this, especially the targeting Fabian Francis, has got me pissed off.

 

[Dudoro]

North only have themselves to blame for being in this spot. Seemed they knew JHF wanted to stay in SA and could have had Adelaide’s pick 4 last year (Rachelle), pick 5 2022 and pick 14 2022 (tied to Melbourne) for pick 1 and pick 19 (wasted on CCJ anyway). Far more than they’ll ever get at any stage during his career no matter how good he is.

They can choose to keep him an extra year and wait for him to be OOC then Port will just offer their 2023 (likely in teens) and 2024 F1.

If I’m Port I offer 8 and F1 and say take it or leave it. If you don’t want it we’ll use pick 8 this year and get him next year for lower picks your choice.

May seem harsh on North to lose a player they used pick 1 on like this, however the player has a lot of power with the initial draft contract being only 2 years. However, they were offered a more than fair package from Crows last year. Must be noted, the NM list management team that declined trade from Crows and picked Will Phillips over Logan McDonald are no longer at NM now. Wonder why?

 

[Mayes2Gray]

What's the Latin for "I came, I saw, I waited an eternity for a trade to happen"?

Veni vidi lolnorf

 

[Thornhill]

Port should package
Bonner, Hayes a pick 33 to West coast for pick 20

Close... Bonner & Hayes to Saint Kilda for Clarke (who North want)

Then pick 8 or F1 & Clarke to North for JHF

It gives North a player they want

It saves Bonner from the s**t show of North also Saints are after a ruck now Paddy has retired

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[tribey]

North only have themselves to blame for being in this spot. Seemed they knew JHF wanted to stay in SA and could have had Adelaide’s pick 4 last year (Rachelle), pick 5 2022 and pick 14 2022 (tied to Melbourne) for pick 1 and pick 19 (wasted on CCJ anyway).

For what it was, that trade was magic beans and they were right to refuse it.

 

[JimmyBC]

For those panic stricken about losing 2nd & 3rd round picks in a deal like this with lots involved something may be thrown back the other way & you can also trade back into mid range picks next year.. now have a cup of tea and a lay down.

 

[Thornhill]

Need GC to come to the party I think.

Pick 5 from Rankine onto us for 8 and a player (Bonner, Hayes, insert any decent player).

5 and future pick onwards.

Very reasonable from North to want a top 5 pick I think and we should have the resources to get it.

We get pick 5 from the sun's and the melts from cow supporters would be gold

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[Schulzenfest]

Then pick 8 or F1 & Clarke to North for JHF

That's less than what North have already rejected. Pick 8 AND F1 plus Clark probably gets it done. Pick 8 OR F1 and Clark doesn't get close.

 

[ClickBOOM1870]

Fair enough West Coast wanting more for pick 2 and Rioli in that three way trade than whats been put forward so far, especially when you consider the likelyhood of our future first being outside the top 10.

Definitely needs our pick 33 going West Coasts way, probably even our 43 as well.

Giving up 8, future r1, 33 and Bonner and geting back JHF and Rioli is probably about right in my book. Adding 43 in there if needed to get it done is ok as well.

Pick 2 will allow North Melbourne to replace JHF with a top end talent mid who hopefully wants to be there and Bonner might surprise some of their supporter as he’s a better player these days than he gets credit for.

Keen for us to just pony up the extra to get the trade moving so we can concentrate on Ratugolea.

 

[Thornhill]

Coz they’re hurting so bad, they know how good JHF will be and our midfield for years to come.

So do cow supporters

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[theouthouse]

I’m sure our new midfield coach could come up with a plan to counter this.

All I'm saying is the kids unproven under constant physical heat at the highest level, sure plenty of opposition coaches will know all our players strengths and weaknesses and plan to counter them.

 

[Thornhill]

That's less than what North have already rejected. Pick 8 AND F1 plus Clark probably gets it done. Pick 8 OR F1 and Clark doesn't get close.

Thanks.. I ment pick 8 our future 1st & Clarke

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[robbo1981]

Looks like the dogs are playing hard ball over Dunkley. Funny how it turns out of he said yes to us there would be no JHF.

 

[Coobk001]

That would be amazing, Rozee would probably go 30 disposals and 4 goals every game

Precisely.

Tag JHF and you release Rozee and Wines.

Having a deeper midfield is something we've craved for years instead we've been to reliant on Wines and Boak. With the rise of Rozee and Butters, JHF will benefit MASSIVELY from playing in a side with them, Wines and Boak.

 

[philthy05]

For what it was, that trade was magic beans and they were right to refuse it.

It’s picks for picks so magic beans analogy doesn’t really work.

It gave the Roos a chance to pass on a interstate inside mid with strong ties to a club and to fill multiple holes on their haggard list.

It easily could have been

Rachele, one of sheezel / cadman / tsatas , and one of Jefferson, hollands, busslinger, hewett, Hayes.

Across two years that could be an influx of

Rachele, wardlaw, sheezel and hollands + more which is transformative in terms of the outlook of their list.

 

[Chewy316]

Looks like the dogs are playing hard ball over Dunkley. Funny how it turns out of he said yes to us there would be no JHF.

Don't make too much sense mate. Those North fans still think JHF was target #1 of Port's, that it's all been one big conspiracy to get him to Alberton and that Dunkley was never even a chance of coming to Port!

On a serious note though, some massive sliding doors moments. If Dunkley chose Port, if the Clarko racism allegations hadn't been made, or if Clarko joined Port only to see said racism allegations be made public - any of those 3 scenarios would have meant JHF would not have made the trade request this off-season.

 

[longdonkey]

What I don't understand is that why Norf would be prepared to take 2 and 20ish while they have rejected 8, a future first and mid ranked player.

They are going backwards and West Coast comes out better than anyone by dealing with them.

Hence my belief they may wait for us to do the deal with West Coast then ask for more Oliver style.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Fair enough West Coast wanting more for pick 2 and Rioli in that three way trade than whats been put forward so far, especially when you consider the likelyhood of our future first being outside the top 10.

Looking to pull in West Coast to provide a higher pick to get North happy was never going to work. Even the statement out of West Coast themselves over what they require for Junior Riolli have been ridiculous.

If North offered a straight swap of pick 1 for pick 2, West Coast would problably as for something on top of pick 1.

 

[Adz2332]

Is it Wednesday yet

 

[chachi11]

Jeezus the JHF thread on the draft board is a pile of shît.
EBERT THE FLOG dropping crap like its gospel.

 

[tribey]

It’s picks for picks so magic beans analogy doesn’t really work.

It gave the Roos a chance to pass on a interstate inside mid with strong ties to a club and to fill multiple holes on their haggard list.

It easily could have been

Rachele, one of sheezel / cadman / tsatas , and one of Jefferson, hollands, busslinger, hewett, Hayes.

Across two years that could be an influx of

Rachele, wardlaw, sheezel and hollands + more which is transformative in terms of the outlook of their list.

The idea, all told, that it was a can’t miss smorgasbord of high picks they were silly to refuse over and above what they had, is the magic beans component.

You have the best kid in the country as the fulcrum of your rebuild and instant platform to sell an extra 5,000 memberships and countless guernseys worth of hope, and the probability that you’ll be picking high again the next year — and this is before we consider the cultural and existential ramifications of being known as a club that refuses to back itself in to attract/retain elite talent.

So as of Nov 2021 the options were:

2021/Pick 1
2022/R2 (probable 19-21)

versus

2021/Pick 4
2022/R1/ADL (probable 2-7)
2022/R1/MEL (probable 15-18)

Combined with the probability that they’d be picking at 1-3 in 2022, all told, where’s the payoff there?

 

[Chrizzt]

The idea, all told, that it was a can’t miss smorgasbord of high picks they were silly to refuse over and above what they had, is the magic beans component.

You have the best kid in the country as the fulcrum of your rebuild and instant platform to sell an extra 5,000 memberships and countless guernseys worth of hope, and the probability that you’ll be picking high again the next year — and this is before we consider the cultural and existential ramifications of being known as a club that refuses to back itself in to attract/retain elite talent.

So as of Nov 2021 the options were:

2021/Pick 1
2022/R2 (probable 19-21)

versus

2021/Pick 4
2022/R1/ADL (probable 2-7)
2022/R1/MEL (probable 15-18)

Combined with the probability that they’d be picking at 1-3 in 2022, all told, where’s the payoff there?

Not to mention delaying your rebuild by an extra year by shifting the weight of picks to 2022