Traded Josh Dunkley - [Traded with F3 (Melb), F3 to Brisbane for #21, F1, F2, F4 (Geel)]

[Lore]

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[Mofra]

I would honestly do 21, F1 and F2 (either one), and let us deal with trying to trade up in the draft if we had to. And send Dunkley with pick 39, and F3 back. It's only a 400 point difference, which can easily be bridged by more pick swaps or a fringe player traded out. Pretty sure the Lions have a couple more players up for trade. In all honestly, I think Lions have the points covered, and do not think Fletcher will bid on as high as some people think.

I'd be satisfied with that too.
It's a fair way off what's been offered so far, but pick swap deals keep getting both parties closer.

 

[doggies ftw]

21, F1, F2, F2 for Dunks & 39. Simple.

We don’t need to pay up any more than that. If they won’t take that now that they have ZERO reason not to, then move on and send him to North

 

[mattsmob]

21, F1, F2, F2 for Dunks & 39. Simple.

We don’t need to pay up any more than that. If they won’t take that now that they have ZERO reason not to, then move on and send him to North

So you would rather receive nothing and lose him for free than get a future first in a good draft and an early second?

 

[JasRulz63]

No… if you get our 2x late first rounders, which is more than fair on our end, then we’ll happily trade. It’s that simple.

Bit rich for Brissy supporters to blame us though when the deals you’re talking about you don’t even know have been offered and would be unlikely considering where you started.

You don’t think the first offer was insulting?

I think people are eating out of the hands for the media who run the same tropes every trade period. The media drip feeds stories with varying degrees of truth, people get angry, media gets more clicks. The PSD threat specifically gets run quite often as we've seen how effective it is at generating discussion.

I don't think we really have any actual idea as to where discussions are at. Like how much reporting was there of the various Brisbane pick swaps before they happened?

 

[JasRulz63]

21, F1, F2, F2 for Dunks & 39. Simple.

We don’t need to pay up any more than that. If they won’t take that now that they have ZERO reason not to, then move on and send him to North

I know it's been raised as a possibility of being ticked off, but right now, I don't think we can trade our future first and both future second round picks.

 

[doggies ftw]

So you would rather receive nothing and lose him for free than get a future first in a good draft and an early second?

You’d rather lose a missing piece of their premiership hopes by lowballing us on the going rate?

But Brissy supporters made it so clear earlier in the week 2nd rounders are no way near as good as firsts and are useless, so really it’s a F1 and a useless pick. Why would we take that?

Wouldn’t you just cough up some more useless picks and get the player you’ve targeted?

 

[LittleG]

So you would rather receive nothing and lose him for free than get a future first in a good draft and an early second?

Lions and Bulldogs will both be top 4 next year. Not giving you Dunkley makes it easier for us to win the flag. Getting lots of picks from you makes it easier for us to win in 3 years but not next year….

Does that make sense?

 

[doggies ftw]

I know it's been raised as a possibility of being ticked off, but right now, I don't think we can trade our future first and both future second round picks.

If that turns out to be the case then F1, F2 & 21 will get it done - but then you’d probably have to find more points this year again which I’m not sure how you’d do if you can’t trade out the extra F2. Could split picks again but how many list spots do you have? You’ve got a lot of picks as is.

Would make sense to deal with GWS for one of their picks and the handshake agreement not to bid on Ashcroft if they get 1, and then send us the two firsts.

But I’d say the AFL will tick off on it anyway as you’re bringing in a gun 25yo, a pick 1 and another first rounder so could quite easily make the case it’s not a concern to kill your hand next year (which you were always going to have to do to get the players you want across the line)

 

[beatnik]

I guess you don't have to trade for him if you don't think he's worth the cost.

You are outlaying $750k(?) over 6 years so you must value him pretty highly.

Don’t you think Lobb is worth more than 30? You can’t have your cake and eat it too…

You could think that 3 x first rounders is reasonable and hold your breath…but you won’t get it, you’ll just pass out bang your head

And no, I don’t think Dunkley is worth 2 x 1sts…I think he’s worth a first and a second but happy for us to go a bit higher to get it done

If Dogs are looking for a feather in the cap, it could backfire…might miss out on both Dunkley and Lobb

Time to wait and see, I guess…

 

[mattsmob]

Lions and Bulldogs will both be top 4 next year. Not giving you Dunkley makes it easier for us to win the flag. Getting lots of picks from you makes it easier for us to win in 3 years but not next year….

Does that make sense?

I get what you’re trying to say but completely disagree with your point

 

[Daka]

You don't want bad reputations as a club in trade period, I know everyone wants to see Richmond get bent over with deals during trade period but I'm so glad we do fair trade & players want to come here.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Lions and Bulldogs will both be top 4 next year. Not giving you Dunkley makes it easier for us to win the flag. Getting lots of picks from you makes it easier for us to win in 3 years but not next year….

Does that make sense?

Funniest post yet

 

[mattsmob]

You’d rather lose a missing piece of their premiership hopes by lowballing us on the going rate?

But Brissy supporters made it so clear earlier in the week 2nd rounders are no way near as good as firsts and are useless, so really it’s a F1 and a useless pick. Why would we take that?

Wouldn’t you just cough up some more useless picks and get the player you’ve targeted?

I’ll just come back at the end of trade week, have a feeling you’re going to be quite disappointed

 

[doggies ftw]

Don’t you think Lobb is worth more than 30? You can’t have your cake and eat it too…

You could think that 3 x first rounders is reasonable and hold your breath…but you won’t get it, you’ll just pass out bang your head

And no, I don’t think Dunkley is worth 2 x 1sts…I think he’s worth a first and a second but happy for us to go a bit higher to get it done

If Dogs are looking for a feather in the cap, it could backfire…might miss out on both Dunkley and Lobb

Time to wait and see, I guess…

Your first is likely pick 15 - 18 it’s in no way near the going rate for players like him. Plus it’s next year which usually comes at a discount.

If you were talking pick 10-12 sure 1 & a 2nd gets it done. Stop acting like your future pick 16 has so much value

 

[Nathan Barley]

You don't want reputations in trade period, I know everyone wants to see Richmond get bent over with deals during trade period but I'm so glad we do fair trade & players want to come here.

What’s happening with Hopper?

 

[doggies ftw]

I’ll just come back at the end of trade week, have a feeling you’re going to be quite disappointed

Sure thing, bookmark it. You’ll pay 2x firsts or equivalent and the trade will get done for the player you need

 

[chef]

Don’t you think Lobb is worth more than 30? You can’t have your cake and eat it too…

You could think that 3 x first rounders is reasonable and hold your breath…but you won’t get it, you’ll just pass out bang your head

And no, I don’t think Dunkley is worth 2 x 1sts…I think he’s worth a first and a second but happy for us to go a bit higher to get it done

If Dogs are looking for a feather in the cap, it could backfire…might miss out on both Dunkley and Lobb

Time to wait and see, I guess…

Haha I'm happy to miss out on Lobb.

And yeah, if we dont pay up what the other club want than I'm not going to sook about them not wanting to deal. We need to satisfy them.

 

[BRAB]

The last reported offer I’ve seen was yesterday and was 21 and a F1 for Dunkley, 30 and 39.

That’s not enough for the bulldogs and I would hope most lions fans agree.

Do you think 21 and a F1 for Dunkley by himself gets it done.

 

[JasRulz63]

If that turns out to be the case then F1, F2 & 21 will get it done - but then you’d probably have to find more points this year again which I’m not sure how you’d do if you can’t trade out the extra F2. Could split picks again but how many list spots do you have? You’ve got a lot of picks as is.

Would make sense to deal with GWS for one of their picks and the handshake agreement not to bid on Ashcroft if they get 1, and then send us the two firsts.

But I’d say the AFL will tick off on it anyway as you’re bringing in a gun 25yo, a pick 1 and another first rounder so could quite easily make the case it’s not a concern to kill your hand next year (which you were always going to have to do to get the players you want across the line)

Right now we have enough points that we could trade out pick 21, and taking into account the deficit we're allowed and taking out the picks we're going to have to pass on to Hawthorn for Gunston, we could likely match bids at ~pick 14 for Fletcher (and pick 1 for Ashcroft).

This doesn't take into account trading picks during the draft, which seems to not be limited to the list spots you have. I suspect the moment Ashcroft is bid on, you'll see us trade out at least one of our higher picks for more points.

Ambrogio has done a fantastic job at leveraging pick 15 into a significant number of points.

 

[JasRulz63]

Haha I'm happy to miss out on Lobb.

And yeah, if we dont pay up what the other club want than I'm not going to sook about them not wanting to deal. We need to satisfy them.

Similar to Brisbane if we don't land Dunkley or Dodoro from his previous attempts including Caddy, Dunkley and Hill, I'm sure Lobb would be thrilled that they nominated a club who then couldn't trade for them.

Basically what the Dogs supporters have suggested about Brisbane and Dunkley (which I think is a reasonable point).

 

[Bulldogs85]

That’s not enough for the bulldogs and I would hope most lions fans agree.

Do you think 21 and a F1 for Dunkley by himself gets it done.

I would be happy with 21 and a F1

 

[chef]

That’s not enough for the bulldogs and I would hope most lions fans agree.

Do you think 21 and a F1 for Dunkley by himself gets it done.

I guess our hope would be you try and turn that 21 and a future 2nd into a first rounder to put with your future first.

But if it's straight up 21 and F1 I think it'd get done in the end.

 

[JasRulz63]

But I’d say the AFL will tick off on it anyway as you’re bringing in a gun 25yo, a pick 1 and another first rounder so could quite easily make the case it’s not a concern to kill your hand next year (which you were always going to have to do to get the players you want across the line)

It's been reported they've denied Port's request to trade a future first and second.

I do think they'll allow Geelong's request though (if it comes), cause they're special.

 

[chef]

Similar to Brisbane if we don't land Dunkley or Dodoro from his previous attempts including Caddy, Dunkley and Hill, I'm sure Lobb would be thrilled that they nominated a club who then couldn't trade for them.

Basically what the Dogs supporters have suggested about Brisbane and Dunkley (which I think is a reasonable point).

Yep. Clubs don't have to trade if they are not satisfied.

 

[doggies ftw]

It's been reported they've denied Port's request to trade a future first and second.

I do think they'll allow Geelong's request though (if it comes), cause they're special.

Interesting, pretty surprised about that but tbf your situation is fairly different, they’d be killing their current and future drafts on 1 gun kid and an older decent forward pocket. It’s not really comparable to bringing in a pick 1, and a gun mid in his prime and on top of that another first round kid.

But who knows with the AFL lottery, in that case F1, F2 & 21 gets it done, I really don’t think that’s much to ask considering where the picks likely land, both teams would walk away happy - I’d suspect Brisbane happier than us as we haven’t managed to get a top 10 pick for a player we really should be.

In that situation we’d probably prefer you to upgrade 21 for us with the F2 so we never touch it and Freo can’t ask for it. We’d get our two late first rounders we’ve asked for and would use 30 & 39 to get Lobb done, and you’d have all your players whilst only losing a future 1st. Would be a terrific trade period for you so let’s be honest youd be stupid to not get that done, and we’ve made it clear we’ll accept that.

Any talk of a single F1 or F1 & 21 with picks back is bullshit