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If he'd nailed a few of his goals, no one would be talking about him. We all know that.
He's an easy target because of all the negativity about the trade deal & some who can't get over Ginni.
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He's an easy target because of all the negativity about the trade deal & some who can't get over Ginni.
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Where is anyone blaming Shultz for our whole season? People are venting a fair bit and not doing constructive criticism true. But your literally doing the polar opposite and unjustly giving him credit where it isn't due evening it out.
Elliott, Hill, McCreery, WHE, Harrison, Richards have all the attributes and more to play that role. And maybe his specific defensive forward role might not be needed if we had focused on a free flowing game plan like our premiership year. It's basically like the days of posters defending Jared Blairs role in our forwardline because he provides good tackling pressure. Nevermind that the tackles are all in tight forwardline stoppages and rarely a true open field run down.
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At least Jarryd Blair didn’t cost a pick in the top 10 and and he played around time our small forward stocks were close to terrible.
Recruiting Schultz when we already had Elliott, McCreery and Hill in the side is a head scratcher.
Nobody.
His role is a two way runner, not a stay at home small forward. His job is to apply pressure to the ball carrier, tackle, chase and bring physicality. His courage can’t be questioned. He’s still averaged a goal a game and with better conversion it would’ve been 1.5 goals a game.
I can’t see any other player on our list that’s like for like.
He hasn’t had the best year, we can see that. Schultz has had to come in to a new environment, learn a new game plan, a new role, and try to settle into a team that's anything but humming.
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The Blair compassion is the best one I've seen so far. He was great when he first started but got found out In his later years. I think your on the money with this.
Not at all.
The amount of hate toward Schultz by some posters on here is unfair and misplaced to the point where you’d think he’s single handedly ruined our whole season.
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Exactly why we didn’t need him then.
Ok. I disagree.
McCreery would be the only one of that list that can bring that physicality but I’d question his tank.
Schultz is a symbol of our failure post-2023 Grand Final. He is a symbol in retrospect of a poor decision (in retrospect) along with Graham Wrights sabbatical decision which must also be mentioned that kick-started the beginnings of a poor season and ended subsequently as a poor season. He is a symbol of our failure as a club in 2024. If we had payed a 2nd round pick only for him then nobody would feel any angst as far as price was concerned. He is our 2nd highest goal kicker for the year which is an indictment on the rest of the team but also is due to Checkers, Elliott and McStay not playing enough games. But, Schultz has to take some responsibility for his lack of finishing ability in important moments of games this season. He is 27, experienced and we brought him in to be clinical around the goals, not miss set shots from 30m right in front or from a simple 5m out snap in the Freo game which would have sealed the game etc etc.. It is a complicated situation with Schultz. Losing Ginni in the process just made the situation less of a win but more of a "one in one out" deal except we lose pick 8 which given our list situation around age is almost criminal.
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Both McCreery and Elliot did that role in patches last year?? Both have also had small stints in the midfield and even been spotted filling holes down back from their 2 way running.
The club disagrees. But you can disagree with Fly and the club because that’s your right.
Unplug them from their roles and we lose in that part of the ground. It’s all relative.
The coach clearly wants Schultz in that role alone so we can bolster other parts of the ground. We need to trust them.
Ginny would have left anyhow.
And if we were playing off in the GF this year, we wouldn’t looking at that pick in hindsight.
Nobody at the club expected our injuries this year, our poor form in general, our inconsistency and wasted season. That’s just compounded the problem.
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Look at how the club has gone this season.
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That's a lot more fair than saying no one does what Shultz does. Personally when we signed him I thought he was a Jamie Elliot replacement/cover as Elliot leads that forward line and we don't have anyone else to play his role. Obviously try to make the most having both of them playing for the time being. Elliot gets thrown through the wringer as much as anyone else so having Shultz for that structure is important.
Those who can’t get over Ginny need to point the finger at him, not at the club. He and his manager went looking for a better deal at Hawthorn and he bailed on us. The Pies just didn’t try to jerk a player who didn’t want to be here and one that was not meeting club standards. Otherwise, he’d have been playing the final year of his contract at Collingwood this season.
Which is why I used the term "retrospect", nobody can tell with certainty at the time the deal was done. Schultz has not been diabolical this season and nobody should be blaming him "directly", he has made horrible errors this year like so many others also have, so be it. But, the price we payed for what we gained and subsequently lost was ridiculous even at the time we all thought it was way overs but you give the deal a chance to manifest into a net gain or loss, what choice do we have as supporters. You say Ginni would have left anyway?? Really? Maybe so, maybe not, he certainly gave no indication of that post-GF when he spoke only of continuing to work hard on his tank to play more midfield time in 2024 for Collingwood, he was pushed out no doubt. It doesn't matter the why's or why nots, it all happenned and we deal with the result. Schultz in, Pick 8 out, Ginni out.....net gain? Nope.
Where do you want to start? This isn’t the thread for that. But it’s not Schultz’s fault.
Not singling anyone out at all, but I really don’t get the ‘hate’ for Lachie Schultz.
No-one could possibly say that he doesn’t give 100% every single contest.
No-one could possibly say, if he misses a goal or a target, that it was deliberate.
Our game is based around pressure acts, he does all that in spades.
Our season has been disappointing for sure but that mainly relates to being underdone those first three games, then once we did get going, being destroyed by injury. This was then compounded with several of the returnees not being fully recovered eg Pendles and Jordy.
In hindsight, Lachie’s trade hasn’t worked out perfectly at this point, maybe that’ll all change next year and he’ll be the star of the show.
But seriously bagging him out so badly is simply mean beyond words and can’t help anyone in any way.
You want your players to go out there, full of confidence and bravado knowing the entire Collingwood family has their back. God, I would not blame Lachie
for second guessing himself with his every move, knowing if they miss a target with their quick inside corridor kick or set shot, the bile will flow.
What’s done is done, why just make it harder for him and his teammates with ongoing, often ill informed criticism, which so often leads to erosion of the target’s self belief.
If anyone believes that the criticism surrounding Lachie has been helpful in any way, I’d seriously be interested to hear your reasons.
No-one could possibly say that he doesn’t give 100% every single contest.
No-one could possibly say, if he misses a goal or a target, that it was deliberate.
Our game is based around pressure acts, he does all that in spades.
Our season has been disappointing for sure but that mainly relates to being underdone those first three games, then once we did get going, being destroyed by injury. This was then compounded with several of the returnees not being fully recovered eg Pendles and Jordy.
In hindsight, Lachie’s trade hasn’t worked out perfectly at this point, maybe that’ll all change next year and he’ll be the star of the show.
But seriously bagging him out so badly is simply mean beyond words and can’t help anyone in any way.
You want your players to go out there, full of confidence and bravado knowing the entire Collingwood family has their back. God, I would not blame Lachie
for second guessing himself with his every move, knowing if they miss a target with their quick inside corridor kick or set shot, the bile will flow.
What’s done is done, why just make it harder for him and his teammates with ongoing, often ill informed criticism, which so often leads to erosion of the target’s self belief.
If anyone believes that the criticism surrounding Lachie has been helpful in any way, I’d seriously be interested to hear your reasons.
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Never said it was his.
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To be fair, his positioning early in the season in regards to the forward defense was off - it took him a while to get that right. Go back and watch those early season games, particularly when opposition are moving the ball out of their defensive fifty and you'll see Schultz a little lost guarding space as opposition move the ball right through his area. It's not a huge impact in games and certainly not worth the thirty odd points the two Sydney teams beat the Pies by in those first two weeks but field position does play a big part in general defense.
It takes players a while to learn positioning. Freo were stuffed in the early part of the season while O'Meara was learning his wing/fwd role.
Schultz works really hard. He will be fine for next year.
Trust me. Ginny and his manager drove his move to Hawthorn, not Collingwood. He wasn’t meeting club standards all season and even just before and after the Grand Final win. He was told to lift his game and go have a big offseason and smarten up for next season.
Rather than do that, he chose Hawthorn.
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Has a lot of critics, his stats stack up but the eye test doesn't. But I only judge these decisions after a few years not the first season.
A) Shoota could have a sensational next 4 seasons or not
B) Ginni could get busted for drugs or kick 5 in a GF
C) Freo could pick a dud with their first or get a once in a generation superstar
Right now it looks like we've messed up big time but let's wait a few years before we judge.
A) Shoota could have a sensational next 4 seasons or not
B) Ginni could get busted for drugs or kick 5 in a GF
C) Freo could pick a dud with their first or get a once in a generation superstar
Right now it looks like we've messed up big time but let's wait a few years before we judge.
Schultz is an ok footballer, but I would have thought you could find plenty of small forwards who can apply pressure and do bugger all else. VFL has a few, not to mention other state leagues. Those players are free hits or rookie draft usually. Even if it was an AFL listed player, that's not who you give a top 10 pick for, what an absolute failure of a trade it has been...
