Speculation Liam Baker [reportedly headed west]

[Jeremias]

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[JackOutback]

that's being pessimistic IMO.
His good is A grade but his low is too low.
Top 10 is too high and 20 is probably too low..
Its not like we can ask WCE for pick 18 is it?
We will get what is offered.

We don't have a teens pick to offer right now, so 24 will have to do. Am I doing it right?

 

[A Bit Dusty]

We don't have a teens pick to offer right now, so 24 will have to do. Am I doing it right?

Yes if your Geelong...

 

[A Bit Dusty]

Interesting read here. I think the Tigers are a massive chance at getting Pick 3 for Baker and pick 10

 

[Barrybran]

that's being pessimistic IMO.
His good is A grade but his low is too low.
Top 10 is too high and 20 is probably too low..
Its not like we can ask WCE for pick 18 is it?
We will get what is offered.

Pessimistic is settling for 14 + 33 from Hawthorn for Barrass and giving you 14 for Baker, leaving our net trade for Barrass as Baker + 40 come draft night

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Interesting read here. I think the Tigers are a massive chance at getting Pick 3 for Baker and pick 10

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My god that would be horrible

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Gee makes you wonder how someone like ANB or Barrass can even get on the park being so old

Baker is so small he wont have that much left in him also. Id say its 4 years and done for the guy which is why thats the contract length

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Pessimistic is settling for 14 + 33 from Hawthorn for Barrass and giving you 14 for Baker, leaving our net trade for Barrass as Baker + 40 come draft night

Not quite true

Barrass for Baker + 40 + rebuilding MRP after I burn it to the ground and piss on the ashes in disgust

 

[Farang83150]

Francis Jackson drafted our stars. Clarke coasted off his successes.

Ah ok now you lot are turning on him, a bit like baker and Bolton got after your b&f the other night, no doubt WCs new coach gets knifed in the back as well soon...

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Ah ok now you lot are turning on him, a bit like baker and Bolton got after your b&f the other night, no doubt WCs new coach gets knifed in the back as well soon...

Mate they turned their back on Dustin Martin. Liam Baker was dead to them about 8 seconds into his B&F speech

 

[stallon]

Not sure your point when WC drafted him with Pick 26.
Is he up for trade?

Didn't realise you drafted Liam Baker at pick 14.
Point is Ryan is a great player, would you trade pick 1 for him?

 

[tigs2010]

Ah ok now you lot are turning on him, a bit like baker and Bolton got after your b&f the other night, no doubt WCs new coach gets knifed in the back as well soon...

Who has he drafted that wasn't average since Balta/Baker. Probably Gibcus.

People were ecstatic he left. I think his current role wheeling & dealing & relationships will be better suited to him.

 

[bzparkes]

Who has he drafted that wasn't average since Balta/Baker. Probably Gibcus.

People were ecstatic he left. I think his current role wheeling & dealing & relationships will be better suited to him.

This may blow your mind but it's generally easier to have a good drafting record when your team is pure filth, like Richmond were for ages, than when they are winning flags, due to lack of picks at the pointy end.

 

[A Bit Dusty]

Didn't realise you drafted Liam Baker at pick 14.
Point is Ryan is a great player, would you trade pick 1 for him?

OK so now I understand you think because Baker was Rookie drafted at pick 18 then he can't be worth much.
This truly says quite a lot about your character if that's what you really think

 

[stallon]

OK so now I understand you think because Baker was Rookie drafted at pick 18 then he can't be worth much.
This truly says quite a lot about your character if that's what you really think

That's not what I'm saying at all that's what you claimed.
You said Baker is a great player so just pay pick 14 and suck it up, despite it being clearly overs.

I said would you pay pick 1 for Liam Ryan who is a great player you'd enjoy having?

 

[tigs2010]

This may blow your mind but it's generally easier to have a good drafting record when your team is pure filth, like Richmond were for ages, than when they are winning flags, due to lack of picks at the pointy end.

Yes obviously, but usually a decent recruiter will get a hit here or there within 6 years. His best picks in 6 years have been Jack Ross, Hugo Ralphsmith and being gifted Maurice Junior. Maybe 2021 will turnaround for him soon or Seth Campbell/Kane McAuliffe come on and he will be looked back on more fondly but at the moment it's pretty grim reading after what was a promising start for him.

 

[bzparkes]

Yes obviously, but usually a decent recruiter will get a hit here or there within 6 years. His best picks in 6 years have been Jack Ross, Hugo Ralphsmith and being gifted Maurice Junior. Maybe 2021 will turnaround for him soon or Seth Campbell/Kane McAuliffe come on and he will be looked back on more fondly but at the moment it's pretty grim reading after what was a promising start for him.

I daresay most teams who have spent prolonged stints at the top would have similar hit rates, especially when the draft is an utter crapshoot after the mid second round.

 

[A Bit Dusty]

That's not what I'm saying at all that's what you claimed.
You said Baker is a great player so just pay pick 14 and suck it up, despite it being clearly overs.

I said would you pay pick 1 for Liam Ryan who is a great player you'd enjoy having?

No this is where someone who is learned would have read exactly what I said and understood what it meant.

My Comment:
"Your getting a great player stop sooking and he will play more games than your last couple of picks at 14."

If you interpreted it wrong that is your problem.
I was saying that for WCE Pick 14 you are getting a great player who will give 100% and is as hard as a cats head. He will never be the best player but will never drop his head when your down. His leadership which is what your new coach knows he will bring to the team and will lift others around him. Go and get that from Pick 14 in this draft and expect it in Round 1.
You are not drafting him for 5 years time you are getting him to help make sure in 5 years time you have quality players like him in your team.

 

[stallon]

No this is where someone who is learned would have read exactly what I said and understood what it meant.

My Comment:
"Your getting a great player stop sooking and he will play more games than your last couple of picks at 14."

If you interpreted it wrong that is your problem.
I was saying that for WCE Pick 14 you are getting a great player who will give 100% and is as hard as a cats head. He will never be the best player but will never drop his head when your down. His leadership which is what your new coach knows he will bring to the team and will lift others around him. Go and get that from Pick 14 in this draft and expect it in Round 1.
You are not drafting him for 5 years time you are getting him to help make sure in 5 years time you have quality players like him in your team.

He does not justify a pick 14

 

[Danog]

Ah ok now you lot are turning on him, a bit like baker and Bolton got after your b&f the other night, no doubt WCs new coach gets knifed in the back as well soon...

Read our board and you'll realise this isn't a new thing re: Clarke

 

[bzparkes]

Read our board and you'll realise this isn't a new thing re: Clarke

Perhaps you should attribute some of your grievances to the actual list manager?

 

[Danog]

This may blow your mind but it's generally easier to have a good drafting record when your team is pure filth, like Richmond were for ages, than when they are winning flags, due to lack of picks at the pointy end.

Yes those super early picks like Vlastuin at 9, Riewoldt at 13, Ellis and Rioli at 15, Rance at 18, Shane Edwards at 26, Astbury at 35, Dylan Grimes in the preseason draft, Short Lambert and Castagna in the rookie draft.

Our only 2 early draft picks that were part of our dynasty were Cotchin and Martin at 2 and 3.

The picks Clarke had to work with were just as good as what the ones that got us plenty of triple premiership players.

 

[Danog]

Perhaps you should attribute some of your grievances to the actual list manager?

The guy that got us Lynch, Houli, Prestia, Nank, Caddy and Grigg for very good value?

 

[bzparkes]

The guy that got us Lynch, Houli, Prestia, Nank, Caddy and Grigg for very good value?

Also sold the farm for Taranto and Hopper, no? Those would've been some handy picks to start rebuilding with.

He's the one who misjudged where the list is at and is now having a firesale to avoid rebuilding when Tassie enters.

 

[juice568]

If baker nominated for the national draft, what pick would he go?

 

[stallon]

If baker nominated for the national draft, what pick would he go?

Like the media are saying about Bailey Smith, he could set terms so only the Eagles could take him, then we find a pick in the 30s to take him with.