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Like it or Loathe it, Carlton will be a Powerhouse in the next 3 years
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Within 3 years Carlton should have an excellent midfield. For their sake they will still have a forward line that is capable of kicking winning scores but unless they acquire of develop a decent defence, they're no chance to win a premiership let alone be a Powerhouse.
They may well have trouble balancing the salaries to fit under the cap, it's all well and good to say we've got Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Walker and Stevens but is there enough to go around.
Cap is at $6.5mil for 42 (or is it 44) players, no doubt that will rise at 10% to 20% p.a. or thereabouts but tell me that when contracts are up for renegotiation, that guys like Stevens and Walker won't be heavily courted by the Bombers, Magpies, Saints etc. That's the issue when one player takes around 12% of your cap.
They may well have trouble balancing the salaries to fit under the cap, it's all well and good to say we've got Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Walker and Stevens but is there enough to go around.
Cap is at $6.5mil for 42 (or is it 44) players, no doubt that will rise at 10% to 20% p.a. or thereabouts but tell me that when contracts are up for renegotiation, that guys like Stevens and Walker won't be heavily courted by the Bombers, Magpies, Saints etc. That's the issue when one player takes around 12% of your cap.
Potentially great midfield. Average forward line, but at this point in time a poor backline is going to affect our chances of being truly competitive.
Scotland and Houlihan can rebound well enough, but we're missing a better than average FB and CHB. If one looks at the last 6 or 7 premiers, ALL of them have outstanding players in these positioins.
Scotland and Houlihan can rebound well enough, but we're missing a better than average FB and CHB. If one looks at the last 6 or 7 premiers, ALL of them have outstanding players in these positioins.
Of course they will come good sooner or later. That is what the draft is there for.
Will it be 3 years, 5 years, 1 year, who knows? All I know that it can happen quickly for teams. 3 years is a very long time in anything, especially football.
Carlton look to have a great crop of midfielders, but still are horribly underdeveloped in the KP and Ruck area IMO. Yes, this can be addressed over time, over how long, who knows? The irishmen may explode at any time, Setanta is a physical specimen with good enough skills. Kruzer may be a star ruckman, but history says he will take 3-4 years at least.
Many say they can be the west coast of the next generation, great midfield and little else. People forget the wce team also had a great backline which was the foundation for the side. I personally think carlton has/had more pressing worries than getting Judd into that midfield at the expense of who knows at this stage, but time will tell if that was a blessing or not. I feel they are on a knife's edge with this Judd deal, time will tell and it's only my opinion.
Look at Essendon from 97-end of 98...Brisbane came from nowhere to premiership material in under 6 months...Hawthorn were hardly mentioned 12 months ago, now they are going into next season probably in the top brack...port this year etc. Anything can happen, and happen quickly.
Will it be 3 years, 5 years, 1 year, who knows? All I know that it can happen quickly for teams. 3 years is a very long time in anything, especially football.
Carlton look to have a great crop of midfielders, but still are horribly underdeveloped in the KP and Ruck area IMO. Yes, this can be addressed over time, over how long, who knows? The irishmen may explode at any time, Setanta is a physical specimen with good enough skills. Kruzer may be a star ruckman, but history says he will take 3-4 years at least.
Many say they can be the west coast of the next generation, great midfield and little else. People forget the wce team also had a great backline which was the foundation for the side. I personally think carlton has/had more pressing worries than getting Judd into that midfield at the expense of who knows at this stage, but time will tell if that was a blessing or not. I feel they are on a knife's edge with this Judd deal, time will tell and it's only my opinion.
Look at Essendon from 97-end of 98...Brisbane came from nowhere to premiership material in under 6 months...Hawthorn were hardly mentioned 12 months ago, now they are going into next season probably in the top brack...port this year etc. Anything can happen, and happen quickly.
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No deflection here Firey. The thread is about Carlton being a powerhouse. If you want to start another Pratt thread, go right ahead but it didn't fit into this thread which suggests you have a new party line to follow.You just got another vote for deflection
You could cut and paste your responses to anything Carlton such is the predictability of them.
Of course it is deflection, as you said the thread is about your club being a powerhouse and I have stated some reasons why that may not be the case.
Mentioning your club pres in a thread about your club I would imagine would be apt especially when he has a hell of a lot to do with your club being a so called powerhouse. It fits perfectly.
Oh dear...deflection?
It appears your new Pres is similar to the other one, you know, the one that got you guys into a bit of hot water.
That surely would cast a shadow over your team becoming a powerhouse.
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Well, they have milked the system for all they are worth, so if they don't become a 'powerhouse' in the next five years they are gone. A bit of pressure on them to perform now.
Well after throwing away dignity and respect these last couple of years they would really hope so
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Well after throwing away dignity and respect these last couple of years they would really hope so
An Aints supporter telling us about dignity and respect?
GOLD!
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The thread is clearly based around our onfield stocks, something you failed to address in any way. Just launched an attack on Pratt and speculated wildly about dodgy Judd deals and more penalties. That is nothing but a troll in a sea of trolls.
Rubbish Firey. How many posts of yours do you think I could dredge up that simply refers to cheating, culture, morals etc, regardless of what the topic is? Now you make it sound like a genuine issue when you have shouted it from the rooftops in a huge percentage of your Carlton related posts dating back years. Guess what mate, you don't have to participate in them all and derail them all. There is no rule to compel you to do so.
No your dismal defence of your trolling is deflection.
Better to stay silent and be thought a fool than to post on BigFooty and remove all doubt.
Even JD will clench his teeth and discuss football related topics regarding Carlton on occasion. You don't seem to have a second gear mate. It's comforting in a way because you know what is going to happen, but annoying that you try to justify it and proper participation when your history laughs at that suggestion.
Tell me Fireman, what do you think about Carlton's prospects onfield over the next few years? Good or bad, I don't care. I'd just like to see something other than mud throwing from you.
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whos your defence??
that midfeild is unproven, no1 has any idea how murphy, gibbs and kruezer are going to turn out.
your defence is by far the worst in the comp. all the best teams have an awesome defensive unit. geelong --> harley, egan, scarlett, milburn
wc--> glass, hunter, wirrapunda
even if those 3 turn our to be absolute stars your defence will get shat on week in week out and that will make you be a top 8 team at best, not premiership material
C,mon ODN, stick to the topic.
The thread is about your club becoming a power house, I have highlighted that your club pres has been accused of shady business dealings and even you would admit that this could be a problem in the future, especially if you take into account recent history.
Why would I need a second gear? Just pointing out a fact that may be a problem for your club so please explain how that is derailing..
You want me to comment on your playing list...the one you tanked for ?
Ok I think they have either underachieved or maybe just aren't good enough. Will have to wait and see on that one.
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The thread is about your club becoming a power house, I have highlighted that your club pres has been accused of shady business dealings and even you would admit that this could be a problem in the future, especially if you take into account recent history.
Why would I need a second gear? Just pointing out a fact that may be a problem for your club so please explain how that is derailing..
You want me to comment on your playing list...the one you tanked for ?
Ok I think they have either underachieved or maybe just aren't good enough. Will have to wait and see on that one.
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Absolutely no doubt. That list of 9
Judd, Fev, Waite, Gibbs, Stevens, Simpson, Murphy, Scotland and Kreuzer is a bloody scary enough.
But you forget O'Hailpin x 2. These brothers will be unbelievable in another year or two. Hampson will be a gun ruckman. Fisher, Walker.
The top 15 players at the club will be the strongest 15 ever assembled.
Packed with low draft picks, makes this very difficult for other clubs to have to deal with.
But deal with it they will have to.
Could be scary times ahead.
Judd, Fev, Waite, Gibbs, Stevens, Simpson, Murphy, Scotland and Kreuzer is a bloody scary enough.
But you forget O'Hailpin x 2. These brothers will be unbelievable in another year or two. Hampson will be a gun ruckman. Fisher, Walker.
The top 15 players at the club will be the strongest 15 ever assembled.
Packed with low draft picks, makes this very difficult for other clubs to have to deal with.
But deal with it they will have to.
Could be scary times ahead.
Glad you agreeAn Aints supporter telling us about dignity and respect?
GOLD!
My teams history truly allows me to understand the desparate grasping of straws by supporters currently being demonstrated by Blues fans
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Fine Firey. Visy have been done for price fixing. Pratt will cop a fine and move on. This will not affect the Carlton Football Club. Pratt is supposedly due to stand aside at the end of the year anyway as this was always a two year gig for him.
Now, tell me what you know about dodgy dealings for Judd and these penalties we will receive? Anything? ..... Bueller? Bueller? Surely you weren't just mudraking again were you?
Thanks for your in depth football analysis there Firey. No wonder you limit yourself to talking about culture and cheating.You want me to comment on your playing list...the one you tanked for ?
Ok I think they have either underachieved or maybe just aren't good enough. Will have to wait and see on that one.
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The problem the carlton team mentioned in the earlier threads,will face problems in the next 3 years.Here is why.
Where Kreuzer and judd will be good,players like stevens and Scotland will be in the twilight of their careers in three- four years.
Also murphy and gibbs may not be at the club,beacuse with the judd deal these two players will command big $$$$$ that carlton will not be able to facilitate.
Maybe they may hang onto Murphy,but i reckon Gibbs will get enticed back to Adelaide and put a huge $$$$ tag on himself,so he can get back home.Adelaide will be desperate to get Gibbs back to Adelaide,taht when he becomes an elite player ,he will put ahuge price tag because of the judd deal.This in the long run will cause problems for Carlton,beacuse of the unfaireness of the pay structure to some of these players,
Even Kreauzer who comes from a collingwood family may ask huge dollars and if carlton can't pay then he;ll make his way elsewhere hopeful;ly to pie land.
So you see,by paying judd millions will unsettle the other potentail stars in afew years,then all you carlton supporters will have the blues in the long run,sorry to say.If you think about it it does make sense.I know for a fact that if collingwood had sold off the farm and aquired judd the young guns at collingwood would not be happy,not immediately but they would command ridiculous amounts money down the track,and then salary cap would blown to smithereens.
Where Kreuzer and judd will be good,players like stevens and Scotland will be in the twilight of their careers in three- four years.
Also murphy and gibbs may not be at the club,beacuse with the judd deal these two players will command big $$$$$ that carlton will not be able to facilitate.
Maybe they may hang onto Murphy,but i reckon Gibbs will get enticed back to Adelaide and put a huge $$$$ tag on himself,so he can get back home.Adelaide will be desperate to get Gibbs back to Adelaide,taht when he becomes an elite player ,he will put ahuge price tag because of the judd deal.This in the long run will cause problems for Carlton,beacuse of the unfaireness of the pay structure to some of these players,
Even Kreauzer who comes from a collingwood family may ask huge dollars and if carlton can't pay then he;ll make his way elsewhere hopeful;ly to pie land.
So you see,by paying judd millions will unsettle the other potentail stars in afew years,then all you carlton supporters will have the blues in the long run,sorry to say.If you think about it it does make sense.I know for a fact that if collingwood had sold off the farm and aquired judd the young guns at collingwood would not be happy,not immediately but they would command ridiculous amounts money down the track,and then salary cap would blown to smithereens.
Where theres smoke.
No probs.
I'm sure you agree with me.
When it comes to Carlton they are a big issue and concern for all clubs.
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Fortunately not everyone is as paranoid about smoke as a Fireman is.
Sorry I filtered out rhetoric and token words. Did you actually say anything?
Oooh, cue the scary music.
ODN should know better than to try and have a battle of the wits with an unarmed opponent ...he has made you look even more stupid once again
( and who would have thought that possible
).Carlton have a great board and some great football brains running their operation (see Swann) Thanks to Dick Pratt they have the money contacts and drive to fast track their onfield performances.
I know this must be realing hurting saints supporters who have struggled to win anything of importance for the best part of 50 years ..and who's boardroom problems are legendary, unlike the saints the Blues will use the draft picks and canny recruiting to win premierships ...not just be content to play a final here and there .
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It's called a learning curve. In over 100 years Carlton have never had a long bad period before. In fact, they have never had what would have been recognisable as a bad period when compared to other clubs. A long bad period for Carlton before the last few years was a decade without at least 2 premierships.
We'll see how Essendon handle the next 5 years. They've been similar to Carlton over the last 100 years and their period of extended time at the bottom is just about to arrive. It'll be interesting to see how they react, and how fans like you react to them when they do whatever they have to in order to get off the bottom.
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They'll have a very good midfield and a decent forwardline.
The problem will be down back, and with Judd on such a massive contract, and some of their younger stars wanting more money in a year or two, there wont be much cap room around to get a decent defender.
They'll have to try and develop a few of them and then try and keep them for less than they would get at other clubs.
The problem will be down back, and with Judd on such a massive contract, and some of their younger stars wanting more money in a year or two, there wont be much cap room around to get a decent defender.
They'll have to try and develop a few of them and then try and keep them for less than they would get at other clubs.
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