List as many outside midfielders as you can

[Ron The Bear]

Every player should be inside out in the sense that you have to win the ball when it's your turn. You can never stand back when it's your turn to go. Go in and if your team win it, run out and spread and if your team lose it go in again. That's what Premiership teams do.

Ellis in particular has had problems with it, as evidenced in the book excerpt published in today's Age.

 

[ThaiTiger]

Ellis in particular has had problems with it, as evidenced in the book excerpt published in today's Age.

Enjoyed reading that article. Well done to Brandon. He's a Premiership player now.

 

[CaptainChardonnay]

Come on down Jake Lloyd. Pretty sure it says somewhere on a footy card bio "OAF - Outside as heck"

 

[go you pups]

I see him as a medium forward.

Yep, excellent contested mark, I see a bit of Brett Burton about him

 

[master bate]

Kamdyn McIntosh - premiership wingman. Ordinary kick, not overly fast, but runs all day and so stretches the ground when attacking and helps close down the ground when defending. Solid ball winner as well - big frame helps him compete in the air and on the ground. The pace of Houli, Ellis from half back and a plethora of players from half forward means he doesn't have to be a speed machine.

Hawthorn's model of speed to burn on the wings and slower ball winners inside has been flipped a bit. If you aren't quick inside as well these days teams will carve you up in the corridor on transition.

Given the MCG is so wide and reasonably long I'll always believe you'll need elite runners on the wings. If the ball movement is quick there's too much open space if your wingers aren't running.

 

[Bokonon_]

I see him as a medium forward.

He did play running on the wings a lot for us, one of his strengths is the ability to kick effectively after a run. Guess that's aerobic fitness.
Probably too much time in front of the ball to be regarded as a true w wingman.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I guess a pure outside mid is called a wingman.

Nothing outside about Darren Millane.

How times change...

 

[t_94]

Giovanni Mountain - Silbery

 

[kozi]

Richmond won the premiership from outside mids (Prestia, Rioli, Grigg, Ellis, Houli, etc.)

3 of those 5 aren't outside mids.

 

[KermitJagger]

God this is a train wreck of a thread, mainly because Richmond won a premiership in spite of having no true wingmen (Ellis actually played more of a half back flank/back pocket); but I'll have a go. I'll take 'outside mids' to mean standard wingmen who don't do too much else, so here goes:

Isaac Smith
Brad Hill
Stephen Hill
Andrew Gaff
Billy Hartung
Sam Gibson
Tom Scully
Lachie Whitfield
Rory Atkins
Zach Merrett
Steele Sidebottom
Jared Polec
Aaron Hall
Lewis Jetta

I'm struggling to name any more, honestly.

 

[KermitJagger]

Kamdyn McIntosh - premiership wingman. Ordinary kick, not overly fast, but runs all day and so stretches the ground when attacking and helps close down the ground when defending. Solid ball winner as well - big frame helps him compete in the air and on the ground. The pace of Houli, Ellis from half back and a plethora of players from half forward means he doesn't have to be a speed machine.

Hawthorn's model of speed to burn on the wings and slower ball winners inside has been flipped a bit. If you aren't quick inside as well these days teams will carve you up in the corridor on transition.

Given the MCG is so wide and reasonably long I'll always believe you'll need elite runners on the wings. If the ball movement is quick there's too much open space if your wingers aren't running.

I agree, it's something that'll hurt Melbourne in the process even though they've got probably one of the strongest midfield units. I think the ideal midfield structure at the moment is as follows;

Center: Two Way Running Wing, Contested Beast, Attacking Wing
Followers: Mobile ruck, Star Inside/Out Mid, Inside Mid/Role Player/Tagger

Example;

Center: Scully, T Mitchell, Sidebottom
Followers: Kreuzer, Dusty, Rockliff

Scully gut runs both ways, Mitchell is a great extractor (and I'm a biased Hawks fan), Sidebottom is the best wing to get on the spread and kick a slick goal.

Kreuzer is the most versatile and skillful ruckman, Dusty was the star player for the year and Rockliff can be a contested beast but also play a role when the team needs.

No team has this balance, GWS is closest but they fall apart in the Ruck stakes as well as having no true role player or tagger (Coniglio is their closest and he's too good for that). They suffer from the weight of their star power a bit.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Essendon midfield, any further outside and they would be running around the MCG carpark

 

[Heaps of fun]

I agree, it's something that'll hurt Melbourne in the process even though they've got probably one of the strongest midfield units. I think the ideal midfield structure at the moment is as follows;

Center: Two Way Running Wing, Contested Beast, Attacking Wing
Followers: Mobile ruck, Star Inside/Out Mid, Inside Mid/Role Player/Tagger

Example;

Center: Scully, T Mitchell, Sidebottom
Followers: Kreuzer, Dusty, Rockliff

Scully gut runs both ways, Mitchell is a great extractor (and I'm a biased Hawks fan), Sidebottom is the best wing to get on the spread and kick a slick goal.

Kreuzer is the most versatile and skillful ruckman, Dusty was the star player for the year and Rockliff can be a contested beast but also play a role when the team needs.

No team has this balance, GWS is closest but they fall apart in the Ruck stakes as well as having no true role player or tagger (Coniglio is their closest and he's too good for that). They suffer from the weight of their star power a bit.

Collingwood's midfield does alright for balance.
Centre: WHE Adams Sidebottom
Followers: Grundy Treloar Pendlebury

 

[telsor]

3 of those 5 aren't outside mids.

3 of those 5 aren't even mids!

 

[KermitJagger]

Collingwood's midfield does alright for balance.
Centre: WHE Adams Sidebottom
Followers: Grundy Treloar Pendlebury

You're actually on the money. Though I think you'd have WHE off half forward, and potentially throw someone like Crisp on the wing as a player who can run both ways and lock down.

They do have an extremely classy midfield unit, baffles me that they can't get it together.

 

[Heaps of fun]

You're actually on the money. Though I think you'd have WHE off half forward, and potentially throw someone like Crisp on the wing as a player who can run both ways and lock down.

They do have an extremely classy midfield unit, baffles me that they can't get it together.

It's almost like there is something stymying their success

I wonder what it could be

 

[The Swert]

God this is a train wreck of a thread, mainly because Richmond won a premiership in spite of having no true wingmen (Ellis actually played more of a half back flank/back pocket); but I'll have a go. I'll take 'outside mids' to mean standard wingmen who don't do too much else, so here goes:

Isaac Smith
Brad Hill
Stephen Hill
Andrew Gaff
Billy Hartung
Sam Gibson
Tom Scully
Lachie Whitfield
Rory Atkins
Zach Merrett
Steele Sidebottom
Jared Polec
Aaron Hall
Lewis Jetta

I'm struggling to name any more, honestly.

Good list.

Would Josh Kelly count? Almost two-thirds of his possessions are uncontested and he's a running machine.

 

[telsor]

I agree, it's something that'll hurt Melbourne in the process even though they've got probably one of the strongest midfield units. I think the ideal midfield structure at the moment is as follows;

Center: Two Way Running Wing, Contested Beast, Attacking Wing
Followers: Mobile ruck, Star Inside/Out Mid, Inside Mid/Role Player/Tagger

Example;

Center: Scully, T Mitchell, Sidebottom
Followers: Kreuzer, Dusty, Rockliff

Scully gut runs both ways, Mitchell is a great extractor (and I'm a biased Hawks fan), Sidebottom is the best wing to get on the spread and kick a slick goal.

Kreuzer is the most versatile and skillful ruckman, Dusty was the star player for the year and Rockliff can be a contested beast but also play a role when the team needs.

No team has this balance, GWS is closest but they fall apart in the Ruck stakes as well as having no true role player or tagger (Coniglio is their closest and he's too good for that). They suffer from the weight of their star power a bit.

Richmond probably lacks a true 'attacking wing' for this setup (we have a few, they're just not best-22...yet), but considering our defensive game plan, that's not a huge shock.

 

[HairyO]

Good list.

Would Josh Kelly count? Almost two-thirds of his possessions are uncontested and he's a running machine.

Scully is the more obvious one, but Kelly certainly spends a lot of his time as an outside. Thing is, he is just as good inside, but with so many other inside beasts they dont need him there.

 

[KermitJagger]

Good list.

Would Josh Kelly count? Almost two-thirds of his possessions are uncontested and he's a running machine.

I'd say he's more of an inside/out star. With Coniglio, Shiel and Kelly they've got three of them. How greedy!

 

[Grrr]

More susceptible to a tag/'run with' role, e.g. Brendan Bower had a fraction of Peter Matera's ability but enjoyed several good games when they were opposed in the 90's.

The short list of nominations suggests coaches and recruiters are insisting that players have inside/outside capability. One persistent suggestion to bust congestion has been to adopt the old VFA rules and eliminate the wingers... It would be ironic if this was implemented and created the space for the old-style winger to operate in.

Sorry to be pedantic Ron, Nathan not Brendan..... not often you get one wrong.

 

[SloppyJoe]

Chris Masten doesn't have a contested bone in his body

 

[Bestevaer]

Nothing outside about Darren Millane.

How times change...

Or Dippa
A couple of tough Wingmen there.

 

[Sherrinator]

Every player should be inside out in the sense that you have to win the ball when it's your turn. You can never stand back when it's your turn to go. Go in and if your team win it, run out and spread and if your team lose it go in again. That's what Premiership teams do.

Are you describing manic pressure??

 

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