List Mgmt. List Management 2022

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Didn't we say most of the exact same things last year about Marchy and Cuningham? Point of difference players, best 22, on their last chance, this year will be different, the fitness staff will get them right? I am a skeptic on this. So we are rolling the dice again. Hopefully a double 6 this time and not a double 1.
Best case scenario last year was that each of Marchy and Cunners would be back mid season. This year they both have the opportunity to do the full preseason, including playing games, with Marchy coming off successfully playing a few games to finish this year. It's a much stronger position to be in now.
 
Best case scenario last year was that each of Marchy and Cunners would be back mid season. This year they both have the opportunity to do the full preseason, including playing games, with Marchy coming off successfully playing a few games to finish this year. It's a much stronger position to be in now.

Marchy coming back late and staying injury free for the last few games of the season was the one shining light for me in our bitterly disappointing and painful end to the season, as well as Charlie winning the Coleman obviously.

If he can manage to play at least 15-18 games next season in the seniors, that would make indescribably happy
 
Didn't we say most of the exact same things last year about Marchy and Cuningham? Point of difference players, best 22, on their last chance, this year will be different, the fitness staff will get them right? I am a skeptic on this. So we are rolling the dice again. Hopefully a double 6 this time and not a double 1.

there is also the case of a supposedly weak draft due to missing footy the last 2 years through covid, probably not alot of money to spend on free agents or currency to get them in trade wise so keep what we think is talent, no matter how injury prone they have been.
 

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Just a little bit of criticism from me about one aspect of our list management.

Voss has stated that we are looking to manage our list as far as durability.

Well, we delisted McDonald to that end. We have re-signed Sam Durdin, Cuningham, Marchbank and aren't looking to trade any of our other injury prone players.

So what have we really done to make our list more durable?

Meanwhile, I watch teams that finished above us in Richmond and Collingwood, looking to pull of meaningful trades to improve further.

Clearly we are putting faith in the same list that fell short and the same injury prone players to improve more than our competition improves.

It's a risk. I'm not saying we don't have further improvement in us though. I feel we definitely do and a lot of our issues are mental.

We need to address our lack of pace. See what the draft brings but for now, I'm underwhelmed.
 
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Just a little bit of criticism from me about one aspect of our list management.

Voss has stated that we are looking to manage our list as far as durability.

Well, we delisted McDonald to that end. We have re-signed Sam Durdin, Cuningham, Marchbank and aren't looking to trade any of our other injury prone players.

So what have we really done to make our list more durable?

Meanwhile, I watch teams that finished above us in Richmond and Collingwood, looking to pull of meaningful trades to improve further.

Clearly we are putting faith in the same list that fell short and the same injury prone players to improve more than our competition improves.

It's a risk. I'm not saying we don't have further improvement in is though. I feel we definitely do and a lot of our issues are mental.

We need to address our lack of pace. See what the draft brings but for now, I'm underwhelmed.
The direction this year is very clearly to go to the draft this year and bring in some young talent which was have not done in a few years.
There is significant growth in the existing list, we could/should have won 14-15 games, improvement in game plan, further growth in our list should provide a good base.

Some of those injury prone players Marchbank/Martin/Mcgovern etc are on the edge another year of injuries for these may mean the end, depending on contract status.
We cannot obtain players from other clubs every year and just ignore the draft.
 
Just a little bit of criticism from me about one aspect of our list management.

Voss has stated that we are looking to manage our list as far as durability.

Well, we delisted McDonald to that end. We have re-signed Sam Durdin, Cuningham, Marchbank and aren't looking to trade any of our other injury prone players.

So what have we really done to make our list more durable?

Meanwhile, I watch teams that finished above us in Richmond and Collingwood, looking to pull of meaningful trades to improve further.

Clearly we are putting faith in the same list that fell short and the same injury prone players to improve more than our competition improves.

It's a risk. I'm not saying we don't have further improvement in is though. I feel we definitely do and a lot of our issues are mental.

We need to address our lack of pace. See what the draft brings but for now, I'm underwhelmed.
Feel pretty much the same sadly.
 
Why would you piss off other clubs and get the reputation of a Dodoro, for future trades...

Like Austin, Geelong, Richmond and others, trade fair... Build goodwill and respect, get your player and move on...
Some day the shoe will be on the other foot and Karma is a bitch...
You mean like how SOS didn’t get a deal done with Gold Coast for Jack Martin so walked him to the PSD, put a massive price tag on his head and told Jack not to take meetings with Adelaide and Melbourne.
 
Just a little bit of criticism from me about one aspect of our list management.

Voss has stated that we are looking to manage our list as far as durability.

Well, we delisted McDonald to that end. We have re-signed Sam Durdin, Cuningham, Marchbank and aren't looking to trade any of our other injury prone players.

So what have we really done to make our list more durable?

Meanwhile, I watch teams that finished above us in Richmond and Collingwood, looking to pull of meaningful trades to improve further.

Clearly we are putting faith in the same list that fell short and the same injury prone players to improve more than our competition improves.

It's a risk. I'm not saying we don't have further improvement in is though. I feel we definitely do and a lot of our issues are mental.

We need to address our lack of pace. See what the draft brings but for now, I'm underwhelmed.
Well the smart thing we have done this time around is give our injury prone guys only ONE more year
In the past it woulda been different
They now know clear as day, this is your last chance, we rate you but break down again it’ll be goodbye from us
Sends a clear message all round I reckon..

Marchy and Cunners turn their injury curse around then u beauty it’ll be great for us..

Id do the same with Gov..

I reckon they owe us…
 
Just a little bit of criticism from me about one aspect of our list management.

Voss has stated that we are looking to manage our list as far as durability.

Well, we delisted McDonald to that end. We have re-signed Sam Durdin, Cuningham, Marchbank and aren't looking to trade any of our other injury prone players.

So what have we really done to make our list more durable?

Meanwhile, I watch teams that finished above us in Richmond and Collingwood, looking to pull of meaningful trades to improve further.

Clearly we are putting faith in the same list that fell short and the same injury prone players to improve more than our competition improves.

It's a risk. I'm not saying we don't have further improvement in is though. I feel we definitely do and a lot of our issues are mental.

We need to address our lack of pace. See what the draft brings but for now, I'm underwhelmed.
Succinctly said and agree with you the scope of our list management is one dimensional, should the injury plague beset us again, unfortunately another season down the tube.
Irrespective, next season will demand real changes and more upgrade
ing, its a continuous process and must be maintained.
 
The way people talk about the injury-prone players are 'on notice' as if it is their fault and only having one year to go on their contracts will somehow motivate them to be less injured is the weirdest logic - even for BF. I feel terrible for any sportsman whose body fails them, let alone a Carlton player we as supporters are so invested in. But their body is not going to improve because of contract status.

People here have bemoaned our 'bad luck' with injuries ignoring the fact that we have actively recruited injury-prone players. And when they are injured it is bad luck! The cycle continues with keeping all of them on the list. BF posters keep praising Voss because he will make the hard decisions. I think Voss needs to be judged on Voss the coach and not Voss the player.

I am shocked we seem to be relying on these same players to somehow now become less injury prone because they will be motivated because of their contract status.
 
Just a little bit of criticism from me about one aspect of our list management.

Voss has stated that we are looking to manage our list as far as durability.

Well, we delisted McDonald to that end. We have re-signed Sam Durdin, Cuningham, Marchbank and aren't looking to trade any of our other injury prone players.

So what have we really done to make our list more durable?

Meanwhile, I watch teams that finished above us in Richmond and Collingwood, looking to pull of meaningful trades to improve further.

Clearly we are putting faith in the same list that fell short and the same injury prone players to improve more than our competition improves.

It's a risk. I'm not saying we don't have further improvement in us though. I feel we definitely do and a lot of our issues are mental.

We need to address our lack of pace. See what the draft brings but for now, I'm underwhelmed.

worth noting that both Richmond and Collingwood hit the draft extensively in the last couple of years while we were loading up on senior experience
 

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Just a little bit of criticism from me about one aspect of our list management.

Voss has stated that we are looking to manage our list as far as durability.

Well, we delisted McDonald to that end. We have re-signed Sam Durdin, Cuningham, Marchbank and aren't looking to trade any of our other injury prone players.

So what have we really done to make our list more durable?

Meanwhile, I watch teams that finished above us in Richmond and Collingwood, looking to pull of meaningful trades to improve further.

Clearly we are putting faith in the same list that fell short and the same injury prone players to improve more than our competition improves.

It's a risk. I'm not saying we don't have further improvement in is though. I feel we definitely do and a lot of our issues are mental.

We need to address our lack of pace. See what the draft brings but for now, I'm underwhelmed.
Richmond is at the stage where the shine of the premiership boost in dollars is gone, the Cotchin's, Riewoldt's, Houli's, Meatball, Jehovah Witness, are winding down paycheques or off the books entirely. Really Martin, Lynch and Bolton would be on very decent coin rest of the list either kids on low wage or on a fair wage. They've got the largest supporter base and are currently a real sexy club to play for with lots of games at the G in front of huge crowds, marquee games (season opener against us, Dreamtime) and a very stable administration and a 3 time premiership coach leading the helm.

Collingwood is intriguing as they're prob going to have to rework a bit of their books or offload, but again... lots of games at the G, marquee games (Anzac Day, Big Freeze/King/Queen Birthday) and just historically tend to make finals/gf's quite often. A new coach who is kicking some big goals and fresh admin not doing much wrong.

Even though we've improved, we don't have the cap to entice players anymore for money, nor should we at this stage of our development. We still exhibited a lot of Dr Jeckyl and Mr Hyde tendencies and it'll take more than one season of improvement to eliminate the stigma over at present a quite unsuccessful list.
 
Feel pretty much the same sadly.
Cannot ignore the draft again, we have given up our 1st pick the last two years, we have a recruitment department to select young talent, waste of time investing in people in these areas if we are just going to pick players from other clubs, particularly when it has had mixed success.
 
Cannot ignore the draft again, we have given up our 1st pick the last two years, we have a recruitment department to select young talent, waste of time investing in people in these areas if we are just going to pick players from other clubs, particularly when it has had mixed success.
We've probably still got more 1st round picks on the list than anyone.

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Succinctly said and agree with you the scope of our list management is one dimensional, should the injury plague beset us again, unfortunately another season down the tube.
Irrespective, next season will demand real changes and more upgrade
ing, its a continuous process and must be maintained.
Some of those injury prone players McGovern & Martin are still under contract so very little could be done there.
They have Marchbank & Cunningham 1 year contracts on the basis of their talent, what specifically was the expectation on these players, if we let either of those go sure there would be many people on here complaining a no win situation whatever they elect to do.
 
Just a quick update...

After a bit of contracting action, we are down to the following players left to either sign-up or say bye to.
I'm just going to give my opinion here:

2022
8.
Lachie Fogarty - delist - doesn't offer enough, give the other kids a go instead
22.
Caleb Marchbank - sign up - all that work to get him back from injury, he's not going anywhere!
35.
Ed Curnow - delist, I don't understand why there's a need to keep him on the list for 2023
41.
Domanic Akuei (Cat B Rookie) - keep as rookie
43.
Will Setterfield - sign up, too good to let go for nothing and would be a great backup
 
Do we know the details of Fogarty's extension beyond 2021?

In 2018 Geelong extended him until the end of 2021.

We traded him in end of 2020 and it is mentioned he was still under contract with Geelong. Presumably still the extension from 2018.

Did we perhaps give him a 3 year deal when he came across and that is why he hasn't been moved on this year?
 
The way people talk about the injury-prone players are 'on notice' as if it is their fault and only having one year to go on their contracts will somehow motivate them to be less injured is the weirdest logic - even for BF. I feel terrible for any sportsman whose body fails them, let alone a Carlton player we as supporters are so invested in. But their body is not going to improve because of contract status.

People here have bemoaned our 'bad luck' with injuries ignoring the fact that we have actively recruited injury-prone players. And when they are injured it is bad luck! The cycle continues with keeping all of them on the list. BF posters keep praising Voss because he will make the hard decisions. I think Voss needs to be judged on Voss the coach and not Voss the player.

I am shocked we seem to be relying on these same players to somehow now become less injury prone because they will be motivated because of their contract status.
think it's not on the player so much as it is a reflection that the club can't continue to carry big contracts and list spots across multiple years, no matter how much potential a player has.
 
Just a little bit of criticism from me about one aspect of our list management.

Voss has stated that we are looking to manage our list as far as durability.

Well, we delisted McDonald to that end. We have re-signed Sam Durdin, Cuningham, Marchbank and aren't looking to trade any of our other injury prone players.

So what have we really done to make our list more durable?

Meanwhile, I watch teams that finished above us in Richmond and Collingwood, looking to pull of meaningful trades to improve further.

Clearly we are putting faith in the same list that fell short and the same injury prone players to improve more than our competition improves.

It's a risk. I'm not saying we don't have further improvement in us though. I feel we definitely do and a lot of our issues are mental.

We need to address our lack of pace. See what the draft brings but for now, I'm underwhelmed.

I think we’re pretty hamstrung this off-season in what moves we can make. Sure we could have let some of those injury prone players go but because of their injury history and being out of contract we would have got nothing for them. So losing those guys but going to the draft and replacing them with 4th, 5th round picks, I don’t see how that improves the teams premiership chances next year.

Also, we obviously can’t bring in big name players like Richmond because of our salary cap. We’ve done that in previous years and have all the major pieces in place now. Quite impressive to have been able to attract that talent given we weren’t a finals team. All we need to do is improve the quality of the bottom 4-6 players which will hopefully happen with the addition of Acres, the players coming back from injury, and improvement from a guy like Carroll.

Next year we will hopefully have more flexibility and trade currency should some of these guys step up and/or their bodies hold up all year.
 
Just a little bit of criticism from me about one aspect of our list management.

Voss has stated that we are looking to manage our list as far as durability.

Well, we delisted McDonald to that end. We have re-signed Sam Durdin, Cuningham, Marchbank and aren't looking to trade any of our other injury prone players.

So what have we really done to make our list more durable?

Meanwhile, I watch teams that finished above us in Richmond and Collingwood, looking to pull of meaningful trades to improve further.

Clearly we are putting faith in the same list that fell short and the same injury prone players to improve more than our competition improves.

It's a risk. I'm not saying we don't have further improvement in us though. I feel we definitely do and a lot of our issues are mental.

We need to address our lack of pace. See what the draft brings but for now, I'm underwhelmed.

Trade what though? we dont have anyone with currency or any decent picks to trade

and the draft is meant to be pretty ordinary so no point delisting players for the sake of taking a punt on unknown 18 year olds. Benefit of potentially either or both of Cuningham and Marchbank being fit and best 22 players outweighs what we would get in return if we delisted them.
 
The way people talk about the injury-prone players are 'on notice' as if it is their fault and only having one year to go on their contracts will somehow motivate them to be less injured is the weirdest logic - even for BF. I feel terrible for any sportsman whose body fails them, let alone a Carlton player we as supporters are so invested in. But their body is not going to improve because of contract status.

People here have bemoaned our 'bad luck' with injuries ignoring the fact that we have actively recruited injury-prone players. And when they are injured it is bad luck! The cycle continues with keeping all of them on the list. BF posters keep praising Voss because he will make the hard decisions. I think Voss needs to be judged on Voss the coach and not Voss the player.

I am shocked we seem to be relying on these same players to somehow now become less injury prone because they will be motivated because of their contract status.

its not as a threat or punishment to make them 'not get injured' - imo, its how it is (and what i would do if in charge), have another season ruined by injury and you wont be on the list next year.
 
The more I think about it, the more I lean this way.

He's certainly talented enough, and plays a position we need to address.

The ACL sucks, but we've nursed a few players through them in recent years so he'd absolutely have the right support around him to ensure he approaches it properly. He's looking at a solid 13-14 months recovery/rehab before his next preseason.

The odds of whoever we draft playing much senior footy in 2023 is slim anyway, we're drafting for impact in 2024-2032.

Take the point-of-difference player, can always trade in some solid citizen midfielders down the track if we need to.
I don't like taking injured players. Good footballlers debut in their first two seasons. If they don't they develop too many VFL traits and struggle to come through to AFL level. By taking an injured player you hamstring their ability to develop sufficiently.
 
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