Luke Ball nominates essendon and collingwood as his prefered destination

[jerry springer]

the silence from Ball and collingwood is deafening

 

[favourites]

Huh?

It's comments like this that make Pies fans sound petty.

That comment was in reference to Melbourne not Essendon.

If as PO says Luke should be avaliable to every team then he would be going to Melbourne and not Essendon.

If I had a choice I wouldn't want to play for Melbourne.

 

[4#Didak#4]

I cannot see how any of whats gone on can be draft tampering unless Ball has expressly stated he will not play for a particular club if selected. There is also no rules about not having a prefered club. Most draftees have some sort of preference. Nor does he have to communicate with any club.

The draft is a risk for both player & club. The club may get a dud the player may go somewhere he doesnt want to go. So both player & club just have to suck it up and do what they think is right.

If the Bombers don't want to select Ball because they had no discussion with him prior then that is fair enough as it could be an expensive gamble. However don't whinge & carry on about it. If the Bombers or Dees select Ball I do not expect Ball to throw a tantrum over it - thats the game you play with the draft & part of the risk.

Most clubs are savvy enough to now know that having someone at your club who does not want to be there is doing a diservice to members & teamates. Commiting a big slice of cap to someone who is not committed to you is irresponsible. This is a big factor in a lot of decisions made on interstate players - there is always that risk they want to be home so why waste time & effort on someone who will leave after a few years.

I suspect the Dees will not waste such an early pick on Ball & the Bombers will cop backlash from the player group if they lash out on Ball yet at the same time they have restricted committed players contract terms & salary. Brisbane however have shown they will be happy to take a punt provided salary cap room is there. I think he is Brissy bound which is probably Ball's worst result - but thems the risks.

 

[DaVe86]

^^ I don't even think he is walking a fine line DaVe. There is no rules against refusing to pick up a phone. For me the thing that really sticks out though is that we are the only club to have done a medical on Ball. Surely Essendon or Brisbane or Melbourne would want to do their due dilligence and have their medical staff look at his condition given his injury history. Without doing that it is a massive gamble on their part to pick up a player that they havn't medically assessed or even spoken to. Obviously any club is withing their right to draft him if he is available but would they given the risks??

it is walking a fine line. Not picking up a phone sends a very very clear message. Someone whose future is uncertain would be typically hanging by the phone and meeting with everyone.

Balls evasiveness spells a clear message.


But like you said, there is no rule against not picking up a phone. And so far both Collingwood and Ball have not said anything. There has been absolutely no indication by either party about their intentions.

The only people who are coming out with any details are making them up.

 

[DeesFan]

The only thing LB will offer the Dees is leadership which dont get me wrong would be great but really if he doesnt want to come to the Dees then this would erode the benefit to the club. We are not going to get the leadership qualities from a player who just doesnt want to be there. I feel if the young players need to follow the likes of Daveys etc.
If LB had talked to us then ok - now that he hasn't let the other clubs fight it out. We can pick up some new kids who may or may not get us to the goals but least are not saying they dont want to be there.

I would like him to go the Pies but I am against the free agent rule ... it would cause to big of a difference in the competition.

my two cents

 

[BJsteel]

i love how collingwood supporters think they have a chance.
50% chance to go to bombers
20% to demons
20% to brisbane
and the final 10% goes to every other team.

Bad luck pies. You might have won a flag with ball.

 

[HFF]

i love how collingwood supporters think they have a chance.
50% chance to go to bombers
20% to demons
20% to brisbane
and the final 10% goes to every other team.

Bad luck pies. You might have won a flag with ball.

If you want to break it down "mathematically", Melbourne would have the 50% chance considering the have 4 picks inside the top 18 compared to Essendon's one.

However, we all know stats mean nothing.

 

[the woodsmen2010]

i love how collingwood supporters think they have a chance.
50% chance to go to bombers
20% to demons
20% to brisbane
and the final 10% goes to every other team.

Bad luck pies. You might have won a flag with ball.

Not sure about this^^^Think his an outside chance we will see what happens next week,on the other hand 1 player wont win u a flag....and i think were closer than essendon are to one......

 

[BJsteel]

Not sure about this^^^Think his an outside chance we will see what happens next week,on the other hand 1 player wont win u a flag....and i think were closer than essendon are to one......

I agree you are closer. So close i think 1 player of balls quality could do it. But it all depends on rusling and your other young fwds.

I just cant see ball going to the pies. Not with the comments made by Knights and Voss.

FWIW i am not a huge fan of him coming to the bombers but would welcome him all the same.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

i love how collingwood supporters think they have a chance.
50% chance to go to bombers
20% to demons
20% to brisbane
and the final 10% goes to every other team.

Bad luck pies. You might have won a flag with ball.

What a load.

Melbourne have a 100% chance. If they want Ball no-one can stop them. Quoting percentages is completely ridiculous because it's all down to who wants to take the risk. Outside of club boardrooms, that information is not freely available.

 

[NT.Thunder]

I really dont know why we keep re-visiting the Luke Ball fiasco.

We know Luke Ball wants to go to Collingwood - Fact

We know Ess/BL/Melb are all interested in securing Ball, depending on each clubs individual requirements. Whether that be money/Injury/Attitude/Leadership what ever....This is patchy and speculative to all of his.

What we do know is that Ess/BL/Melb all have picks before the Pies so if any of these clubs satisfy their individual needs or criteria set, then Ball wont get too Collingwood.

I'm not sure, given the money and possible implications of selecting a disgruntled footballer, whether any team would actual draft a guy on speculation. None of the teams are close enough to a premiership to warrant a speculative $500K contract, it would be crazy.

I would be happy if the mods just closed all these Luke Ball threads untill draft day as we just keep revisiting the same ground.

Interesting to see the article today released indicating that any player not fullfilling his contract after drafting will be subject to a 23month suspension. I guess this stops Luke Ball from sitting a year out and travelling as numerous posters are suggesting.

The shame is that clubs like Ess (McPhee) and Saints miss out on any form of compensation for losing quality players. I know mediation was available during draft week, but obviously wasnt requested or effective.

Be interesting to see if Saints would take pick 30 now!

 

[bombermick]

I really dont know why we keep re-visiting the Luke Ball fiasco.

We know Luke Ball wants to go to Collingwood - Fact

We know Ess/BL/Melb are all interested in securing Ball, depending on each clubs individual requirements. Whether that be money/Injury/Attitude/Leadership what ever....This is patchy and speculative to all of his.

What we do know is that Ess/BL/Melb all have picks before the Pies so if any of these clubs satisfy their individual needs or criteria set, then Ball wont get too Collingwood.

I'm not sure, given the money and possible implications of selecting a disgruntled footballer, whether any team would actual draft a guy on speculation. None of the teams are close enough to a premiership to warrant a speculative $500K contract, it would be crazy.

I would be happy if the mods just closed all these Luke Ball threads untill draft day as we just keep revisiting the same ground.

Interesting to see the article today released indicating that any player not fullfilling his contract after drafting will be subject to a 23month suspension. I guess this stops Luke Ball from sitting a year out and travelling as numerous posters are suggesting.

The shame is that clubs like Ess (McPhee) and Saints miss out on any form of compensation for losing quality players. I know mediation was available during draft week, but obviously wasnt requested or effective.

Be interesting to see if Saints would take pick 30 now!

A good post full of common sense- rare from a Pies supporter!
I'm a bit hot and cold on Ball as draft day nears. While I would love him to help Jobe, I don't want somebody who doesn't really want to be there. Plus, if someone like Troy Taylor is there at 24 or 26, he is someone Essendon should seriously look at.

 

[BJsteel]

a sensible, informed write up. good job. i think mcphee leaving strengthens essendon desire for him. both in terms of experience and TPP issues.

 

[Bay Pie]

I really dont know why we keep re-visiting the Luke Ball fiasco.

We know Luke Ball wants to go to Collingwood - Fact

We know Ess/BL/Melb are all interested in securing Ball, depending on each clubs individual requirements. Whether that be money/Injury/Attitude/Leadership what ever....This is patchy and speculative to all of his.

What we do know is that Ess/BL/Melb all have picks before the Pies so if any of these clubs satisfy their individual needs or criteria set, then Ball wont get too Collingwood.

I'm not sure, given the money and possible implications of selecting a disgruntled footballer, whether any team would actual draft a guy on speculation. None of the teams are close enough to a premiership to warrant a speculative $500K contract, it would be crazy.

I would be happy if the mods just closed all these Luke Ball threads untill draft day as we just keep revisiting the same ground.

We should just sticky this post and move every Luke Ball thread under this banner.

Well said.

 

[DaVe86]

Are melbourne being serious sayng they'll take him at 11 or 18??? This does come from Connolly.

What a foolish move this would be.

 

[dee64]

Are melbourne being serious sayng they'll take him at 11 or 18??? This does come from Connolly.

What a foolish move this would be.

This is the reason why the Luke Ball thread gets revisited.

Collingwood nuffies can't understand that Luke Ball is likely to be the best available player in the draft before pick 30. But for some reason it's foolish to select him.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

\Collingwood nuffies can't understand that Luke Ball is likely to be the best available player in the draft before pick 30. But for some reason it's foolish to select him.

"Likely to be the best available player in the draft before pick 30"... so he's not going to be the best available player after pick 30? But he's likely to be of more value than Scully and Trengove? And you think Collingwood fans are nuffies!

Yep, so for casual observers, DaVe86 was pointing out that taking Ball with pick #11 would be overpaying. I think that was fairly obvious. By the time you get to Collingwood's first selection at #30, it's a lot less likely that you'd be able to win the lottery and pick up a superior player to Ball.

 

[The Professor]

I really dont know why we keep re-visiting the Luke Ball fiasco.

We know Luke Ball wants to go to Collingwood - Fact

We know Ess/BL/Melb are all interested in securing Ball, depending on each clubs individual requirements. Whether that be money/Injury/Attitude/Leadership what ever....This is patchy and speculative to all of his.

What we do know is that Ess/BL/Melb all have picks before the Pies so if any of these clubs satisfy their individual needs or criteria set, then Ball wont get too Collingwood.

I would be happy if the mods just closed all these Luke Ball threads untill draft day as we just keep revisiting the same ground.

Interesting to see the article today released indicating that any player not fullfilling his contract after drafting will be subject to a 23month suspension. I guess this stops Luke Ball from sitting a year out and travelling as numerous posters are suggesting.

Bang on. end of story there. How long can we go around in circles b4 we get dizzy?

 

[The Don't Argue]

"Likely to be the best available player in the draft before pick 30"... so he's not going to be the best available player after pick 30? But he's likely to be of more value than Scully and Trengove? And you think Collingwood fans are nuffies!

What he's trying to say is that by the time we get around to, say, picks 18-29 (ie: BEFORE 30), Ball will most likely be the best option at those picks.

So it looks like Collingwood fans are nuffies after all.

 

[bodazoka]

Why do the Collingwood fans seem to presume that telling Melbourne/Essendon/Brisbane fans there wasting there time thinking about Ball is going to stop those teams from drafting him??

If Ball is the best player available at there pick they would be crazy not to draft him regardless of any other factor. Ball is likely to just except his fate and play out his career with his new club, he is a professional footballer after all and the alternative is for him to just quit. Quit because he didnt get to Collingwood??? I highly doubt it...

 

[DaSawx]

Ahuh, now Collingwood nuffies know for a fact he'll move on in 2 years, gotchya

Your posts have Dean Bailey shaking in his boots.

 

[Tambu]

Why do the Collingwood fans seem to presume that telling Melbourne/Essendon/Brisbane fans there wasting there time thinking about Ball is going to stop those teams from drafting him??

It's pretty funny. They get so worked up over the mere thought that Luke Ball might end up somewhere other than Collingwood.

But...but he wants to play for Collingwood!!!

 

[celtic_pride]

LOL @ all the Collingwood Nuffies bitching about this issue on the HUN website sooking that Melbourne or any other club hasn't got the 'moral right' to draft Luke Ball, and he should be allowed to go the only he wants to play for ...

So every other club should bend over and accomodate Collingwood's arrogance should they ???
The irrational and childish attitude by many sooking Collingwoods fans on this issue is a major reason why that club is so 'despised' ..

And for the record, I have yet to see Luke Ball come out pubilcly himself or release a press statement stating he wouldn't play for any other club except Collingwood.

This situation is not 'dissimilar' to the Nick Stevens saga when he left Port, and the scum and Power couldn't agree on a fair trade ...

Maybe if Collingwood FC weren't such tight-fisted, unfair penny-pinchers at trade time, maybe more clubs would be willing to deal with them.

 

[HFF]

LOL @ all the Collingwood Nuffies bitching about this issue on the HUN website sooking that Melbourne or any other club hasn't got the 'moral right' to draft Luke Ball, and he should be allowed to go the only he wants to play for ...

So every other club should bend over and accomodate Collingwood's arrogance should they ???
The irrational and childish attitude by many sooking Collingwoods fans on this issue is a major reason why that club is so 'despised' ..

And for the record, I have yet to see Luke Ball come out pubilcly himself or release a press statement stating he wouldn't play for any other club except Collingwood.

This situation is not 'dissimilar' to the Nick Stevens saga when he left Port, and the scum and Power couldn't agree on a fair trade ...

Maybe if Collingwood FC weren't such tight-fisted, unfair penny-pinchers at trade time, maybe more clubs would be willing to deal with them.

Oh dear.

That Nick Stevens fella who became an A-grade star? No.

The guy that won at least one BnF at his time with his club? No.

The guy that won an AA jumper? No.

The guy that played in numerous finals series' and won matches off his own boot? No.

I guess, at least he is still playing AFL footy. Oh, that would be a NO too.

Fancy being a bunch of "tight fisted, penny pinchers" when the very player we were reluctant to trade has achieved all of the above.

Hey, at least he is the only player to have won 2 Michael Tuck medals.

As for Ball, sure, no deal was done in trade week. Shit happens.

Now, any club is well within their rights to select him in the National Draft.
And, for the record, Ball cannot come out and express a desire to ONLY play for Collingwood because that would be "draft tampering". This is why he is using other approaches such as refusing to meet clubs for interviews and undergo medical assessments.

Imagine posting an unsubstantiated rant. What a "nuffy".

 

[favourites]

This situation is not 'dissimilar' to the Nick Stevens saga when he left Port, and the scum and Power couldn't agree on a fair trade ...

Maybe if Collingwood FC weren't such tight-fisted, unfair penny-pinchers at trade time, maybe more clubs would be willing to deal with them.

Nick showed that going to the worst side in the comp wasn't the best career move he ever made, played a massive 1 final after leaving port, and I think it's widely accepted that pick 15 and Didak was a little bit over what port deserved for Stevens.

In the end I wouldn't bag Melbourne for picking him if they think he is the best avaliable, I just think it doesn't make sense when they wont really be pushing hard for around 3 years, by then im sure they would be thinking trengrove, scully n co would be pushing Ball out.

I can see why Essendon and Brisbane would have a look but cant see why Melbourne would.

Good Luck to Ball and hopefully you get to the pies, but I'm not going to cry if it doesn't happen.