Team Mgmt. Makeup of our team II - Strengths & deficiencies, player development

[MiguelM]

A bobby Hill/Bolton type is what we are missing IMO.

Still hoping Davey can become that.

 

[bennyg12]

Can we upgrade Paige Scott to the men's team ,we haven't had a forward attack the contest like she does for years

 

[FootyGuru]

I think plenty are getting ahead of themselves with Bryan. I think our best team has Draper rucking and 2mp as the second ruck.
Bryan doesn’t help us enough in the air and Draper only shows glimpses as a forward.

we definitely can’t play all 3.

 

[jdstorm]

I think plenty are getting ahead of themselves with Bryan. I think our best team has Draper rucking and 2mp as the second ruck.
Bryan doesn’t help us enough in the air and Draper only shows glimpses as a forward.

we definitely can’t play all 3.

Brisbane played a ruck + Daniher + Hipwood.

No reason you can’t play 3 talls if everyone else can pressure it’s fairly standard practice

 

[ant555]

I think plenty are getting ahead of themselves with Bryan. I think our best team has Draper rucking and 2mp as the second ruck.
Bryan doesn’t help us enough in the air and Draper only shows glimpses as a forward.

we definitely can’t play all 3.

Your opinion of course but the version of 2MP we had in the back end of this year was rather average. Next year is the time to sort out the rucks and if the sub gets dumped then you can play 3. Are you saying Bryan has no scope to improve a little more over pre season ?

 

[FootyGuru]

Your opinion of course but the version of 2MP we had in the back end of this year was rather average. Next year is the time to sort out the rucks and if the sub gets dumped then you can play 3. Are you saying Bryan has no scope to improve a little more over pre season ?

He could improve, but he has a long way to go to compete in the air with guys his height.

I’ve just seen plenty of mock teams with Bryan ruck and Draper forward, and even with no sub i wouldn’t want to play all 3 because it holds one bench rotation hostage to a ruckman.

If all players are playing well i think Bryan is the worst of the 3 by a fair margin, but wright was pretty bad last season, especially in the ruck.

The ability to have two blokes who can compete in ruck and forwardline is going to be our best mix, Bryan can’t compete forward yet, and I don’t see a lot of scope for improvement in this area.

 

[Skipper_]

Brisbane played a ruck + Daniher + Hipwood.

No reason you can’t play 3 talls if everyone else can pressure it’s fairly standard practice

I don't think we can play 3 talls + Langford though.

Bryan as the number one with Draper, Wright, Caddy and Langford is definitely too tall for my liking.

You're basically subbing out Stringer for Wright in the mix we ran with to finish the season, which would make our already poor forward pressure even worse.

 

[ant555]

He could improve, but he has a long way to go to compete in the air with guys his height.

I’ve just seen plenty of mock teams with Bryan ruck and Draper forward, and even with no sub i wouldn’t want to play all 3 because it holds one bench rotation hostage to a ruckman.

If all players are playing well i think Bryan is the worst of the 3 by a fair margin, but wright was pretty bad last season, especially in the ruck.

The ability to have two blokes who can compete in ruck and forwardline is going to be our best mix, Bryan can’t compete forward yet, and I don’t see a lot of scope for improvement in this area.

Problem is none of the combinations are great on exposed form.

 

[FootyGuru]

Problem is none of the combinations are great on exposed form.

Agree. We miss Daniher

 

[ant555]

Agree. We miss Daniher

we can talk him out of retirement

 

[DERO]

I said to myself I wouldn't do another one of these until after the season was done. However this is my scorched earth scenario, I'll probably have something more realistic post season.

3 years: Jones (pending the trigger)
2 years: Guelfi
1 year: Wanganeen, J Davey, Baldwin

Retire: Heppell, Goldstein
Delist: Hunter, Kelly, Setterfield

Trade:

1. Darcy Parish to Geelong for F1 and 33
2. Sam Draper and pick 7-10 to Adelaide for pick 4 and F1
3. Dylan Shiel to WB for Caleb Daniel
4. Jake Stringer, Nick Hind and F3 to Melbourne for 38, F2 and 49
5. Sam Weideman to North for pick 65.
6. Jayden Laverde to St Kilda for F3
7. Josh Sinn and Dante Visentini for 33 and F2
8. Alex Davies for 65
9. Nick Haynes UFA (or Josh Rotham if he chooses Carlton)
10. Jarryd Lyons UFA

12 out. 7 (including SEH) in. Leaves us with 4, 29, 38, 46 and 49

Pick 5 (post Ashcroft bid): Josh Smillie (194 IM)
Pick 11 (post Ashcroft/Lombardi bids): Isaac Kako (use 29, 38, 46 and 49 to match, 178 SF)
Trade Geelong F1 to get back into the back end of the first, draft Jobe Shanahan (194 KPF)
Last pick: James Barrat (190 MD)

NGA: Jayden Nguyen (177 HBF), Amin Naim (187 MF)

DFA/SSP: Mature age ruck

List profile:

Defence:

Key Defenders: Lewis Hayes, Kaine Baldwin, Zach Reid, Ben McKay
Medium Defenders: Nik Cox, Jordan Ridley, James Barrat, Nick Haynes/Josh Rotham
Small Defenders: Andrew McGrath, Mason Redman, Luamon Lual, Archie Roberts, Caleb Daniel, Jayden Nguyen

Midfield:

Inside Midfielders: Elijah Tsatas, Jye Caldwell, Zach Merrett, Ben Hobbs, Sam Durham, Alex Davies, Josh Smillie, Jarryd Lyons
Outside Midfielders: Harrison Jones, Xavier Duursma, Nic Martin, Saad El-Hawli, Josh Sinn, Alwyn Davey jr
Rucks: Nick Bryan, Dante Visentini, DFA/SSP

Forward:

Key Forwards: Peter Wright (ruck), Nate Caddy, Vigo Visentini (ruck), Jobe Shanahan
Medium Forwards: Kyle Langford, Archie Perkins, Amin Naim
Small Forwards: Jade Gresham, Matt Guelfi, Jayden Davey, Tex Wanganeen, Jye Menzie, Isaac Kako

I really like Shanahan.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I feel pretty queasy about our list atm. We really haven't moved out enough to be in rebuild mode and are setup for another low mid table finish. I think we are currently in the least desirable list position in the competition. Eagles and Crows the others in contention.

 

[FootyGuru]

I feel pretty queasy about our list atm. We really haven't moved out enough to be in rebuild mode and are setup for another low mid table finish. I think we are currently in the least desirable list position in the competition. Eagles and Crows the others in contention.

Yep. I don’t see any kind of direction here. Very frustrated. Rosa better have something up his sleeves.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Yep. I don’t see any kind of direction here. Very frustrated. Rosa better have something up his sleeves.

I feel for Rosa as his hands are tied by the mess Dodoro has left, but I think we should have been shopping some guys harder. We essentially have Setterfield, Shiel, Tsatas, Parish and Hobbs fighting for 1 spot in the side. Which is a little ridiculous considering none are modern footballers.

 

[Petrify]

Hasn't the problem FOREVER been that we've been overpaying for B grade players? Isn't that exactly what other teams were doing? It's nice to actually focus on the future for once and get good value.

Our biggest list hole all year was small forwards. We're getting the best small forward in a superdraft for nothing and we have an excellent hand to try chase Harley Reid next year. If we kept our pick this year but couldn't pick Kako from the academy I'd still hope we would pick him. I'm very happy.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Hasn't the problem FOREVER been that we've been overpaying for B grade players? Isn't that exactly what other teams were doing? It's nice to actually focus on the future for once and get good value.

Our biggest list hole all year was small forwards. We're getting the best small forward in a superdraft for nothing and we have an excellent hand to try chase Harley Reid next year. If we kept our pick this year but couldn't pick Kako from the academy I'd still hope we would pick him. I'm very happy.

The biggest hole is a small forward for sure, but we need to upgrade 7-8 players in the side before we are contending.

I didn't see us focus on the future here, other than taking the future pick trade but that was a forced hand. I don't think anyone is advocating for paying over for B graders. We need a draft hand like Richmond's next year, we are a dire state with Tasmania looming as well.

 

[FootyGuru]

Hasn't the problem FOREVER been that we've been overpaying for B grade players? Isn't that exactly what other teams were doing? It's nice to actually focus on the future for once and get good value.

Our biggest list hole all year was small forwards. We're getting the best small forward in a superdraft for nothing and we have an excellent hand to try chase Harley Reid next year. If we kept our pick this year but couldn't pick Kako from the academy I'd still hope we would pick him. I'm very happy.

We got lucky to have a good academy kid in a position of need, but it did look like Rosa got spooked into trading pick 9.

I think this draft was the perfect season to go backwards. The draft looks very even and I would have liked to trade players with currency, eg parish Langford to get more picks in it.

our list is full of players that no other club would trade for but aren’t bad enough to be delisted.

Leverde setterfeild Shiel menzie goldy weiderman wright , I would have loved to see some tougher calls made on some of these names.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Hasn't the problem FOREVER been that we've been overpaying for B grade players? Isn't that exactly what other teams were doing? It's nice to actually focus on the future for once and get good value.

Our biggest list hole all year was small forwards. We're getting the best small forward in a superdraft for nothing and we have an excellent hand to try chase Harley Reid next year. If we kept our pick this year but couldn't pick Kako from the academy I'd still hope we would pick him. I'm very happy.

Small forward is a big hole, but there are several other absolutely gaping holes right behind it.

Our key forward stock is abysmal. Unless caddy breaks out that’s a major issue.

Reid and Ridley and Parish spend more time in the docs waiting room than they do at the club.

I fear chasing Reid will just sink more capital into a player that won’t fix anything for us.

So many issues with our list, you don’t know where to start

 

[Old Campaigner]

We got lucky to have a good academy kid in a position of need, but it did look like Rosa got spooked into trading pick 9.

I think this draft was the perfect season to go backwards. The draft looks very even and I would have liked to trade players with currency, eg parish Langford to get more picks in it.

our list is full of players that no other club would trade for but aren’t bad enough to be delisted.

Leverde setterfeild Shiel menzie goldy weiderman wright , I would have loved to see some tougher calls made on some of these names.

Tougher calls? Delist a bunch of untradable players and replace them with pick 70?

 

[joey_jo_jo]

Hasn't the problem FOREVER been that we've been overpaying for B grade players? Isn't that exactly what other teams were doing? It's nice to actually focus on the future for once and get good value.

Our biggest list hole all year was small forwards. We're getting the best small forward in a superdraft for nothing and we have an excellent hand to try chase Harley Reid next year. If we kept our pick this year but couldn't pick Kako from the academy I'd still hope we would pick him. I'm very happy.

We are still overpaying a bunch of B-grade players (in terms of $/contract length). Not much has changed in that regard this off-season.

 

[7zark7]

Can somebody explain how we get Baldwin back onto the list? Can somebody else jump in and pick him up?

 

[Runk]

Small forward is a big hole, but there are several other absolutely gaping holes right behind it.

Our key forward stock is abysmal. Unless caddy breaks out that’s a major issue.

Reid and Ridley and Parish spend more time in the docs waiting room than they do at the club.

I fear chasing Reid will just sink more capital into a player that won’t fix anything for us.

So many issues with our list, you don’t know where to start

I really wanted us to focus on a Key Forward this year & next. It's clear we don't have the quality necessary in that area currently so a build around Caddy makes sense to me. I fear the same with getting Reid. Yes he's an amazing young talent but really at what cost to the club?

 

[FootyGuru]

Tougher calls? Delist a bunch of untradable players and replace them with pick 70?

not all but some of those guys. We could look at delisted free agents instead of later picks that you need to have for a couple of years.

I just want to see more avenues for our younger guys to have bigger roles. I don’t trust Scott to put development over wins.

We still have setterfield Shiel parish competing for midfield minutes with two of our last 3 drafts highest picks.

The only way this trade period makes sense to me is if we have some potential guys in mind for next season and don’t want to stay competitive in the meantime.

I just hope we don’t lose Hobbs and tsatas because they are playing in the forward half or vfl.

 

[ant555]

We got lucky to have a good academy kid in a position of need, but it did look like Rosa got spooked into trading pick 9.

I think this draft was the perfect season to go backwards. The draft looks very even and I would have liked to trade players with currency, eg parish Langford to get more picks in it.

our list is full of players that no other club would trade for but aren’t bad enough to be delisted.

Leverde setterfeild Shiel menzie goldy weiderman wright , I would have loved to see some tougher calls made on some of these names.

Spooked or just smart to have everything sorted before draft night and be in a position to trade in late first or second round.
Yes they could have done a trade on draft night but it is harder to do this deal on the night and get all the picks in. Plus we have another late academy prospect.
Let’s face it we are stuck right now we are stuck evaluating if the rebuild of 2020 is going anywhere. More wasted years yes but that is how it is.

 

[ant555]

My opinion. It would be a real Dodoro move not to take the Melbourne offer and risk having to dive further into future picks to round up the points.
Everyone says it would happen but there is a real doubt we could get all the picks. Yes we get future F1 plus a sweetener for 9 on the night if it happens but do we get what we have plus have the flexibility to do more on draft night and in the future.