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Dodoros fart is still lingering at the football club its stench is to be cleaned up by Rosa
Best thing Matt Rosa said all month: “we would like to add players with better running capabilities, and Finn’s definitely one of those sorts of players,”
The biggest flaw with Dodo was his infatuation with talls, and lack of priority of players who can run and pressure (not strong aerobically). This is the first thing Rosa is trying to address at the helm.
Honestly some of us have been banging on about how this team cannot run out/ pressure/games/seasons for 10+ years. I think I start posting about it in 2013-14.
It to this day boggles my mind.
Geelong try for a premiership: bring in Isaac smith
Melbourne try for premiership: ed Langdon
Carlton start moving up the ladder: Blake Acres, Ollie Hollands.
Watch St kilda get going with Hill, Wilson, NWM, MacCrae running around.
For us players we’ve added recently with a strong tank: Durham, Martin, Duursma and Roberts…. All impact immediately.
Obviously it’s not that simple, but after watching the repeat sprint efforts of Richmond’s smalls, and Hawthorn win premierships with Hill, Smith, Birchall, Puop running all day. It’s pretty extraordinary how far we missed the boat by….
The biggest flaw with Dodo was his infatuation with talls, and lack of priority of players who can run and pressure (not strong aerobically). This is the first thing Rosa is trying to address at the helm.
Honestly some of us have been banging on about how this team cannot run out/ pressure/games/seasons for 10+ years. I think I start posting about it in 2013-14.
It to this day boggles my mind.
Geelong try for a premiership: bring in Isaac smith
Melbourne try for premiership: ed Langdon
Carlton start moving up the ladder: Blake Acres, Ollie Hollands.
Watch St kilda get going with Hill, Wilson, NWM, MacCrae running around.
For us players we’ve added recently with a strong tank: Durham, Martin, Duursma and Roberts…. All impact immediately.
Obviously it’s not that simple, but after watching the repeat sprint efforts of Richmond’s smalls, and Hawthorn win premierships with Hill, Smith, Birchall, Puop running all day. It’s pretty extraordinary how far we missed the boat by….
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Based on what vozzo/Rosa have told the Age I really hope we don't go back to parish and/or shiel being one of our main midfield rotations.
Give caldwell/durham/hobbs as much opportunity as possible and if tsatas is physically ready him too.
When hobbs had to play as one of our main mids in mid 23 (due to injuries) he and Caldwell worked pretty well with merrett (the kings bday game a highlight). Give him a good run to see if he has it.
Parish should get the same treatment shiel got this season, start the season in 2s and work on your weaknesses (particularly how he covers the ground when its not a stoppage) before we consider you in the 1s.
Give caldwell/durham/hobbs as much opportunity as possible and if tsatas is physically ready him too.
When hobbs had to play as one of our main mids in mid 23 (due to injuries) he and Caldwell worked pretty well with merrett (the kings bday game a highlight). Give him a good run to see if he has it.
Parish should get the same treatment shiel got this season, start the season in 2s and work on your weaknesses (particularly how he covers the ground when its not a stoppage) before we consider you in the 1s.
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Shiel started in the VFL because he spent most of the pre season catching up on the injury front. Had nothing to do with him working on any weakness. If he bounced straight into form and did not also have a couple more minor injury issues he would have played earlier.
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That's true but it still took a fair while for him to break in and when he did make it he seemed to have really focused on tackling/physicality in the contest.
I’m convinced Scott will play whoever gives us the best chance to win, until finals are out of reach. If that’s Shiel parish and setterfield I wouldn’t be surprised. It’s on Rosa to change the direction. Hence why I wanted us to cut list deeper.
Parish will play in any side he’s fit for. I just hope last season made him realise he isn’t on the same level as the stars of this comp and will be required to pair at stoppage, run two ways and tackle.
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Skills can probably over ride running power but we lack both which has shown.
When we win, it is easy to name the guys who are nearly always prevalent in the votes. The skilful guys who have an "on" game. Redman, Ridley, Caldwell, Durham, Martin etc. When the 50:50 (at best) guys go well, we looks a million bucks, see Shiel, see Parish etc.
When the skills are off, we suffer as a group and it shows. Our over reliance on the top few guys needs to improve.
When looking at best players under 23, under 22, under 21, we really do have very few. An indictment on development? perhaps but the opportunities need to be taken now by Hobbs, Tsatas, Davey Jnr etc. to make those spots there own.
When we win, it is easy to name the guys who are nearly always prevalent in the votes. The skilful guys who have an "on" game. Redman, Ridley, Caldwell, Durham, Martin etc. When the 50:50 (at best) guys go well, we looks a million bucks, see Shiel, see Parish etc.
When the skills are off, we suffer as a group and it shows. Our over reliance on the top few guys needs to improve.
When looking at best players under 23, under 22, under 21, we really do have very few. An indictment on development? perhaps but the opportunities need to be taken now by Hobbs, Tsatas, Davey Jnr etc. to make those spots there own.
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The problem with this is those other teams already had the stars. If Geelong adds Issac Smith and they don't have Cameron and Dangerfield, they ain't winning shit. Same with Oliver and Petracca. These runners can be added cheaply, like Roberts. These superstars cannot, so you don't use your high end draft picks on them when you are devoid of the superstar prospects. So keep adding runners, but the advocation from the majority of this board has been take Wilson over Caddy, take Tsatas over Humphrey. The runner isn't always the right answer to maximize your draft talent.
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I’m saying as an overall list approach, we have neglected aerobic runners. Whether that be first, second or third round. We’ve missed the boat. If you have a list that can comfortable runout a game, then your petraccas/camerons/dangerfields can focus on what they do best-impact the game. It’s a mix that we have not got right imo.
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There’s a part a fair way in when he’s talking about anabolic speed reserve aka tank
Basically if player A has a top speed of 30km/h and player b has a top speed of 20km/h and they are going at 18km/h
Player B is working at 90% while player A is working at 60% and because of that player B is going to run out of petrol tickets faster.
This is the exact same issue we have in the mids with size and repeat strength efforts.
Absolutely.
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Think we best stay away from anabolic speed
Skinny weak talls who either don't make it or take eons to be physical and are gassed by half time.
You have to start somewhere and this is the right path.
Genuine speed has also been an issue but there is hope there.
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Have time to do this with all list changes finalised:
Pick trades:
1. Pick 31 and F2 to GC for Pies F1 and 51
2. Pick 28 for Hawthorne F2 and F3 from WC
3. Trade Col F1 live to GWS for pick ~18 post bids.
Draft:
Pick 9: Isaac Kako: (Calder Cannons, 175 cm, Small Forward). Match 1175.2 points with 39 (446), 43 (378), 48 (302) and 50 (273) becomes 54.
Pick 18: Jobe Shanahan (Bendigo Pioneers, 194 cm, Key Forward).
Pick 50: Archer Day-Wicks (Bendigo Pioneers, 185 cm, Half Forward).
Pick 53: Sam Davidson (Richmond VFL, 190 cm, Outside Midfielder).
DFA: Jaxon Prior, Jai Culley
Rookie Draft:
Pick 9: Ned Bowman (Norwood, 185 cm, Half Forward).
SSP: Kaine Baldwin
Cat B: Jayden Nguyen (Calder Cannons, 177 cm, Half Back), Davey Colbert (Ireland, 190 cm, Medium Defender)
Which leaves our balance as such (my opinion on a couple who've moved around a bit):
Defenders:
Key Defenders: Lewis Hayes, Kaine Baldwin, Zach Reid, Ben McKay
Medium Defenders: Nik Cox, Jordan Ridley, Jayden Laverde, Davey Colbert, Jaxon Prior
Small Defenders: Andrew McGrath, Mason Redman, Luamon Lual (SF), Archie Roberts (OM), Jayden Nguyen
Midfield:
Inside Midfielders: Darcy Parish, Elijah Tsatas, Jye Caldwell (fwd), Zach Merrett, Ben Hobbs, Dylan Shiel, Will Setterfield, Sam Durham, Jai Culley (HF)
Outside Midfielders: Harrison Jones (KF), Xavier Duursma, Nic Martin (MF), Saad El-Hawli (SD), Sam Davidson
Rucks: Sam Draper, Todd Goldstein, Nick Bryan
Forwards:
Key Forwards: Peter Wright (ruc), Nate Caddy, Vigo Visentini (ruc), Jobe Shanahan
Medium Forwards: Kyle Langford, Archie Perkins, Ned Bowman, Archer Day-Wicks
Small Forwards: Jade Gresham, Alwyn Davey jr, Matt Guelfi (OM), Jye Menzie, Isaac Kako
Seniors:
FB: Andrew McGrath - Ben McKay - Jordan Ridley
HB: Mason Redman - Zach Reid - Archie Roberts
MF: Xavier Duursma - Jye Caldwell - Nic Martin
HF: Jade Gresham - Nate Caddy - Matt Guelfi
FF: Isaac Kako - Peter Wright - Kyle Langford
OB: Sam Draper - Zach Merrett - Sam Durham
IC: Darcy Parish - Nik Cox - Harrison Jones - Ben Hobbs
TS: Archie Perkins
Reserves:
FB: Jayden Laverde - Kaine Baldwin- Jayden Nguyen
HB: Luamon Lual - Lewis Hayes - Jaxon Prior
MF: Saad El-Hawli - Dylan Shiel - Sam Davidson
HF: Ned Bowman - Jobe Shanahan - Alwyn Davey jr
FF: Archer Day-Wicks - Vigo Visentini - Jye Menzie
OB: Nick Bryan - Elijah Tsatas - Will Setterfield
IC: Davey Colbert - Jai Culley - Todd Goldstein
I see Cox, Laverde and Prior competing for one spot; Jones and SEH competing for one spot; Draper, Wright and Bryan competing for two spots; and Gresham, Guelfi, Kako, Davey and Menzie competing for three spots. So that's 7 spots up for grabs in pre-season between 13 players, should be very competitive.
Pick trades:
1. Pick 31 and F2 to GC for Pies F1 and 51
2. Pick 28 for Hawthorne F2 and F3 from WC
3. Trade Col F1 live to GWS for pick ~18 post bids.
Draft:
Pick 9: Isaac Kako: (Calder Cannons, 175 cm, Small Forward). Match 1175.2 points with 39 (446), 43 (378), 48 (302) and 50 (273) becomes 54.
Pick 18: Jobe Shanahan (Bendigo Pioneers, 194 cm, Key Forward).
Pick 50: Archer Day-Wicks (Bendigo Pioneers, 185 cm, Half Forward).
Pick 53: Sam Davidson (Richmond VFL, 190 cm, Outside Midfielder).
DFA: Jaxon Prior, Jai Culley
Rookie Draft:
Pick 9: Ned Bowman (Norwood, 185 cm, Half Forward).
SSP: Kaine Baldwin
Cat B: Jayden Nguyen (Calder Cannons, 177 cm, Half Back), Davey Colbert (Ireland, 190 cm, Medium Defender)
Which leaves our balance as such (my opinion on a couple who've moved around a bit):
Defenders:
Key Defenders: Lewis Hayes, Kaine Baldwin, Zach Reid, Ben McKay
Medium Defenders: Nik Cox, Jordan Ridley, Jayden Laverde, Davey Colbert, Jaxon Prior
Small Defenders: Andrew McGrath, Mason Redman, Luamon Lual (SF), Archie Roberts (OM), Jayden Nguyen
Midfield:
Inside Midfielders: Darcy Parish, Elijah Tsatas, Jye Caldwell (fwd), Zach Merrett, Ben Hobbs, Dylan Shiel, Will Setterfield, Sam Durham, Jai Culley (HF)
Outside Midfielders: Harrison Jones (KF), Xavier Duursma, Nic Martin (MF), Saad El-Hawli (SD), Sam Davidson
Rucks: Sam Draper, Todd Goldstein, Nick Bryan
Forwards:
Key Forwards: Peter Wright (ruc), Nate Caddy, Vigo Visentini (ruc), Jobe Shanahan
Medium Forwards: Kyle Langford, Archie Perkins, Ned Bowman, Archer Day-Wicks
Small Forwards: Jade Gresham, Alwyn Davey jr, Matt Guelfi (OM), Jye Menzie, Isaac Kako
Seniors:
FB: Andrew McGrath - Ben McKay - Jordan Ridley
HB: Mason Redman - Zach Reid - Archie Roberts
MF: Xavier Duursma - Jye Caldwell - Nic Martin
HF: Jade Gresham - Nate Caddy - Matt Guelfi
FF: Isaac Kako - Peter Wright - Kyle Langford
OB: Sam Draper - Zach Merrett - Sam Durham
IC: Darcy Parish - Nik Cox - Harrison Jones - Ben Hobbs
TS: Archie Perkins
Reserves:
FB: Jayden Laverde - Kaine Baldwin- Jayden Nguyen
HB: Luamon Lual - Lewis Hayes - Jaxon Prior
MF: Saad El-Hawli - Dylan Shiel - Sam Davidson
HF: Ned Bowman - Jobe Shanahan - Alwyn Davey jr
FF: Archer Day-Wicks - Vigo Visentini - Jye Menzie
OB: Nick Bryan - Elijah Tsatas - Will Setterfield
IC: Davey Colbert - Jai Culley - Todd Goldstein
I see Cox, Laverde and Prior competing for one spot; Jones and SEH competing for one spot; Draper, Wright and Bryan competing for two spots; and Gresham, Guelfi, Kako, Davey and Menzie competing for three spots. So that's 7 spots up for grabs in pre-season between 13 players, should be very competitive.
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eth-dog didnt we sign Josh Rotham?
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Not as far as I'm aware
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Good by you Ethan
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I like this team eth-dog - I'd probably just have SEH instead of Cox but I think that's very close to our starting 23 round 1 next year
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