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How many talls from C Cloke's draft have done more than him.......?

Depends on your definition of talls (by height or position).

I'd say five talls (190cm or taller) have done more than Cam so far, but only three of those are key position players.

Cameron Cloke cops undeserved heat simply because his brother is a crab. Not seen Travis yet, but Cameron is a good talent and will be a quality AFL footballer.

 

[browny4PM]

How many talls from C Cloke's draft have done more than him.......?

I this a dig at Collingwood or a ligitimate question??

The best talls from the TAC Cup in 2002 were Paul Johnson and Hamish McIntosh. Cam has done more than them. Cam won a premiership in the VFL and the TAC Cup and has played a fair few senior senior games. Nothing to write home about, but he is definately a prospect of the future.

 

[ramjet]

You would love Cam Cloke at Richmond. Travis is an unknown quantity.

Jason will be on an AFL list for two more years, max.

absolutely spot on. cameron is the best of the three, regardless of magpie induced hype surrounding travis. jason's gone in two years. one so-so cloke for 2 very good clokes - it was worth all the effort to tie up all 3. besides, the pies have better things to do than simply stick it up richmond. so much so, we'll even give you jason in 2007. we insist.

 

[Captain_Brown_7]

absolutely spot on. cameron is the best of the three, regardless of magpie induced hype surrounding travis. jason's gone in two years. one so-so cloke for 2 very good clokes - it was worth all the effort to tie up all 3. besides, the pies have better things to do than simply stick it up richmond. so much so, we'll even give you jason in 2007. we insist.

What you stupid Collingwood supporters don't understand is that Richmond could have had all 3 of the jokes... i mean Clokes.

Instead of drafting Jason, we chose one MARK COUGHLAN. That is why poor old David Cloke tried to stick it up the Tigers by getting all of his sons to Collingwood. I'm telling you now, i'd rather have Coughlan on my list than any or all of the Clokes.

Coughlan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The 3 'Joke' brothers

 

[understudy]

absolutely spot on. cameron is the best of the three, regardless of magpie induced hype surrounding travis. jason's gone in two years. one so-so cloke for 2 very good clokes - it was worth all the effort to tie up all 3. besides, the pies have better things to do than simply stick it up richmond. so much so, we'll even give you jason in 2007. we insist.

On what ive seen travis will be better than cam. surprised by your comments - have you even seen trav's recent performances?

 

[bucksisbest]

On what ive seen travis will be better than cam. surprised by your comments - have you even seen trav's recent performances?

I like Cam he should be quite a good player , but from what I've seen recently first hand Travis does clearly seem the best of the 3.

 

[bradrowe#32]

Short memory hey? I don't blame you. Find them yourself.

1993 R14 11 poss, 8 marks 2 goals
1995 R6 18 poss 10 marks 3 goals
1996 R13 16 poss 6 marks 5 goals
1997 R11 17 poss 13 marks 5 goals
1998 R19 6 poss 5 marks 1 goal
1999 R4 16 poss 9 marks 2 goals
1999 R19 15 poss 10 marks 3 goals
2001 R4 9 poss 4 marks 1 goal
2001 R18 13 poss 11 marks 3 goals
2002 R1 16 poss 9 marks 6 goals
2002 R16 9 poss 1 mark 1 goal
2003 R1 16 poss 9 marks 1 goal 6 behinds
2003 R16 12 poss 10 marks 1 goal
2004 R1 16 poss 13 marks 5 goals
2004 R18 19 poss 11 marks 2 goals

There you go genius. Four games where he played very well. Can you find the other 8 where he tore us a new hole?

 

[evo]

apart from 2004 he was a CHF bradrowe.

At a glance it looks like he averaged 9 or 10 marks.If Tarrant averages 10 marks for the next 10 years I'm sure you'll be lauding him.

Thats good football in anyones language.Let alone from a footballer in a ordinary side and who cops more ******** on this board than almost any.

 

[itsintheblood]

1993 R14 11 poss, 8 marks 2 goals
1995 R6 18 poss 10 marks 3 goals
1996 R13 16 poss 6 marks 5 goals
1997 R11 17 poss 13 marks 5 goals
1998 R19 6 poss 5 marks 1 goal
1999 R4 16 poss 9 marks 2 goals
1999 R19 15 poss 10 marks 3 goals
2001 R4 9 poss 4 marks 1 goal
2001 R18 13 poss 11 marks 3 goals
2002 R1 16 poss 9 marks 6 goals
2002 R16 9 poss 1 mark 1 goal
2003 R1 16 poss 9 marks 1 goal 6 behinds
2003 R16 12 poss 10 marks 1 goal
2004 R1 16 poss 13 marks 5 goals
2004 R18 19 poss 11 marks 2 goals

There you go genius. Four games where he played very well. Can you find the other 8 where he tore us a new hole?

I'd say most of those games actually. Look at the number of marks and posessions. Doesnt that suggest goal assists to you?

 

[pazza]

Mick will be okay...if the side decides to do the right thing. Not sure they will.

 

[hotpie]

1993 R14 11 poss, 8 marks 2 goals
1995 R6 18 poss 10 marks 3 goals
1996 R13 16 poss 6 marks 5 goals
1997 R11 17 poss 13 marks 5 goals
1998 R19 6 poss 5 marks 1 goal
1999 R4 16 poss 9 marks 2 goals
1999 R19 15 poss 10 marks 3 goals
2001 R4 9 poss 4 marks 1 goal
2001 R18 13 poss 11 marks 3 goals
2002 R1 16 poss 9 marks 6 goals
2002 R16 9 poss 1 mark 1 goal
2003 R1 16 poss 9 marks 1 goal 6 behinds
2003 R16 12 poss 10 marks 1 goal
2004 R1 16 poss 13 marks 5 goals
2004 R18 19 poss 11 marks 2 goals

There you go genius. Four games where he played very well. Can you find the other 8 where he tore us a new hole?

Average stats for a good player. Nothing special though, especially 99-01 when the Pies were at their weakest. No better or worse than Richo's career average.

 

[bradrowe#32]

I'd say most of those games actually. Look at the number of marks and posessions. Doesnt that suggest goal assists to you?

Maybe you should just admit your memory isn't that good.

 

[Denno]

Average stats for a good player. Nothing special though, especially 99-01 when the Pies were at their weakest. No better or worse than Richo's career average.

Nothing special, but still better than what Tarrant, a supposed "star" averages.

Richo averages nearly 3 goals a game on those stats (and does over his career) - Tarrant still doesn't average more than 2 a game.

Richo > Tarrant

 

[OneEyedHawk]

1993 R14 11 poss, 8 marks 2 goals
1995 R6 18 poss 10 marks 3 goals
1996 R13 16 poss 6 marks 5 goals
1997 R11 17 poss 13 marks 5 goals
1998 R19 6 poss 5 marks 1 goal
1999 R4 16 poss 9 marks 2 goals
1999 R19 15 poss 10 marks 3 goals
2001 R4 9 poss 4 marks 1 goal
2001 R18 13 poss 11 marks 3 goals
2002 R1 16 poss 9 marks 6 goals
2002 R16 9 poss 1 mark 1 goal
2003 R1 16 poss 9 marks 1 goal 6 behinds
2003 R16 12 poss 10 marks 1 goal
2004 R1 16 poss 13 marks 5 goals
2004 R18 19 poss 11 marks 2 goals

There you go genius. Four games where he played very well. Can you find the other 8 where he tore us a new hole?

Average of 8.6 marks per game. Pretty good stats. And did he play a full game in every one of those matches? The 2002 Round 16 match where he took 1 mark, don't think I've ever seen Richo play an entire match with 1 mark.

 

[bradrowe#32]

Nothing special, but still better than what Tarrant, a supposed "star" averages.

Richo averages nearly 3 goals a game on those stats (and does over his career) - Tarrant still doesn't average more than 2 a game.

Richo > Tarrant

If you actually read the post, we were talking about Richardson's performances against Collingwood. Apparently he has ripped us a new hole 'a dozen times'. Fact is he has played 4 excellent games and 8 - 10 serviceable games. There is a fair difference between winning the game off your own boot and being a good player that helps contribute to the win.

Where does it say we are comparing Richardson and Tarrant?

 

[Vedder]

IITB........Bigfooty's village idiot

 

[hotpie]

Nothing special, but still better than what Tarrant, a supposed "star" averages.

Richo averages nearly 3 goals a game on those stats (and does over his career) - Tarrant still doesn't average more than 2 a game.

Richo > Tarrant

The argument is whether or not Richo has ever torn Collingwood a new hole. Clearly by the stats he does not have particularly outstanding form against Collingwood. Good but not great.

Tarrant's stats are irrelevant to that argument.

 

[FIGJAM]

Travis one dimensional????

He just bagged 5 goals against Box Hill in three quarters on the weekend.

I watched him do it.

Travis is everything but one dimensional. He's athletic, a strong mark, a great kick, he chases, tackles, rucks well, is good one on one and is quick for his size. Is good in most key positions around the ground. He frequently kicks bags of 5 or 6.

Richmond threw the kitchen sink at him, and for good reason. He's definite AFL. An Anthony Rocca replacement. Will be interesting to compare Travis with Richmond's Adam Patterson in future years. The Tigers will be very disappointed that he chose Collingwood!

 

[Bentleigh]

I watched him do it.

Travis is everything but one dimensional. He's athletic, a strong mark, a great kick, he chases, tackles, rucks well, is good one on one and is quick for his size. Is good in most key positions around the ground. He frequently kicks bags of 5 or 6.

Richmond threw the kitchen sink at him, and for good reason. He's definite AFL. An Anthony Rocca replacement. Will be interesting to compare Travis with Richmond's Adam Patterson in future years. The Tigers will be very disappointed that he chose Collingwood!

Looks a good player. Like I said id take the youngest Cloke at Richmond, not the other 2 though.

I dunno if we would have taken him over Pattison though. Would have been good mid/late draft under the father son.

 

[FIGJAM]

Looks a good player. Like I said id take the youngest Cloke at Richmond, not the other 2 though.

I dunno if we would have taken him over Pattison though. Would have been good mid/late draft under the father son.

I can't comment on where I'd rank him relative to the other draftees, because I haven't seen most of them yet, but I'll go out on a limb and say that he'll prove to be comfortably in the best 20 from this draft pool.

He's a very good young footy player. He's no Jesse Dubya, but he's sure as hell no mid draft punt!!

 

[Bentleigh]

If he turns out like hes brother he will be a laugh eh?

Still a few Shaws on the list

but he's sure as hell no mid draft punt!!

Indeed.


http://www.footydraft.com/players.php?player=travis_cloke

Travis Cloke
Details:
Club: Park Orchards/Eastern
DOB: 5 March 1987 Hgt: 195cm Wgt: 85kg
Position: Full Forward/Ruck
Natural Foot: Left

Honours:
Victoria Metro 2004

TAC Stats:
2003: 1 game, 2 goals, 13.0 PPG.
2004: 12 games, 31 goals, 14.3 PPG

Strengths: The son of former Collingwood and Richmond ruckman David, Travis is a huge kid who has spent most of his time in the forward line, although he can do a bit of ruckwork. He loves the physical side of the game and his defensive work is first class.

Cloke is a massive kick on his trusty left foot, and a very strong grab one-on-one. He can really monster opponents with his size, but he is pretty good below his knees for a tall.

Weaknesses: Travis needs to do a lot of work on his set shot kicking, can be very erratic. His physical style of play can also lead to a lot of free kicks been conceded and he has carried a few injuries during the year. Also a slight query over his mobility.

Footydraft.com comment: If he wasn't going under the father-son rule I'd have him around an early 2nd round selection, so the Pies are doing well. He has a few aspects that he needs to work on, but the real question is whether Collingwood can carry 3 Clokes on their list.

 

[Jimthegreat]

1993 R14 11 poss, 8 marks 2 goals
1995 R6 18 poss 10 marks 3 goals
1996 R13 16 poss 6 marks 5 goals
1997 R11 17 poss 13 marks 5 goals
1998 R19 6 poss 5 marks 1 goal
1999 R4 16 poss 9 marks 2 goals
1999 R19 15 poss 10 marks 3 goals
2001 R4 9 poss 4 marks 1 goal
2001 R18 13 poss 11 marks 3 goals
2002 R1 16 poss 9 marks 6 goals
2002 R16 9 poss 1 mark 1 goal
2003 R1 16 poss 9 marks 1 goal 6 behinds
2003 R16 12 poss 10 marks 1 goal
2004 R1 16 poss 13 marks 5 goals
2004 R18 19 poss 11 marks 2 goals

There you go genius. Four games where he played very well. Can you find the other 8 where he tore us a new hole?

4 games....and the rest. That's a good record. Averge of nearly 3 goals per games, taken more than 8 marks in 11 of those games. For a CHF thay're damn good stats. Think that one's a win for the tiges. Won more premierships in the last 40 years too...5-1. Haven't counted up the number of runner-ups but I'm sure the wobbles win hands down there with every club.

 

[FIGJAM]

If he turns out like hes brother he will be a laugh eh?

Still a few Shaws on the list [/I]

Like I said, I've seen him a few times and he's not like either brother. The only thing he shares with them is confidence.

Rhyce, as maligned as he is, has one last chance to prove himself. He is trying to reinvent himself as a tagger, and has had some success. Remember, Brodie Holland was all but gone once too and now he's a quality run with player, so it can be done.

Dunno what you have against Brayden. If you think he hasn't got ability, then you've never seen him play.

I don't think Heath will make it, but there's plenty of 19 year olds who get delisted and if he's one (which I hope he's not), then so be it. It's not like he's ruining our future by us giving him a chance! We drafted Julian Rowe after him, so we definitely picked up some quality talent in that draft and if you have one or two "hits" then it's an OK draft.

 

[itsintheblood]

Average stats for a good player. Nothing special though, especially 99-01 when the Pies were at their weakest. No better or worse than Richo's career average.

You're kidding surely.

 

[itsintheblood]

IITB........Bigfooty's village idiot

Ohhhh am I supposed to start crying now? Moron.

Typical collingwood w.ank talk.