Markovic vs Austin

[TempleKelvington]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

Austin has shown us that is is very capable. Markovic has too. I see Austin as the ideal third tall in the Hargrave/Morris mold, but not sure how he'd go on quick small. But he's done the job on the big guys to date and I think on the third tall he'd be terrific.

Marko is a great negator and is best suited to the monters. I think they play slightly different roles in the ideal world, with Austin able to play on a taller/bigger opponent when we are pinched as we are now.

But Williams is still first choice at CHB, but we have great back up in Marko and now Aussie. Perhaps with no injuries we maybe able to free up Murph on occasion to play forward?

Once again, when we discuss the backline, Gilbee is the forgotten man and I'm not so sure he should be.

 

[King_snow]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

are you all kidding me? you want to play Glilbee...his past the game

 

[Testekill]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

are you all kidding me? you want to play Glilbee...his past the game

Not quite, it seems to me that it's more that they are lamenting that there is no space for him to slot in as there are younger players ahead of him throughout defense and, unless he can reinvent himself as a forward then there just isn't a spot for him.

 

[paulveed]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

Austin has shown us that is is very capable. Markovic has too. I see Austin as the ideal third tall in the Hargrave/Morris mold, but not sure how he'd go on quick small. But he's done the job on the big guys to date and I think on the third tall he'd be terrific.

Marko is a great negator and is best suited to the monters. I think they play slightly different roles in the ideal world, with Austin able to play on a taller/bigger opponent when we are pinched as we are now.

But Williams is still first choice at CHB, but we have great back up in Marko and now Aussie. Perhaps with no injuries we maybe able to free up Murph on occasion to play forward?

Once again, when we discuss the backline, Gilbee is the forgotten man and I'm not so sure he should be.

I was going to submit a comment here till I read this post from TK. Now all I need say is : DITTO!

 

[paulveed]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

are you all kidding me? you want to play Glilbee...his past the game

Yeah well, this time last season a lot of posters on here said much the same sort of stuff about Lake. They are still scraping the egg off their faces.

 

[Martyn_30_]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

What a pick up Austin's been at pick 76 in the rookie draft the big problem of lacking key defenders is now a strength at the club Williams, Markovic and Austin could all right now contain a decent foward line

 

[Werewolf]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

It's fair to say most of us were puzzled when Austin got elevated, but he's turned out to be OK

 

[the dog's kennel]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

I must say I'm still not sold on either Austin or Markovic (although I think Austin has pushed himself ahead of Markovic.)

I think both have done well to grab their opportunities, especially Austin. And I suspect that both will be solid performers in defence for at least 3-4 years. But I also suspect that we won't win that elusive next premiership before they have been relegated to depth players.

But I hope they prove me wrong cause I love both their attitudes.

 

[cammo78]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

I must say I'm still not sold on either Austin or Markovic (although I think Austin has pushed himself ahead of Markovic.)

This.

I fail to see either being a finals-standard backman.

However, they fill a need at present and as such are required players.

Austin had shocking fumbles his first few outings but appears to be improving in this area. Markovic is just too slow for AFL level IMO.

 

[cleveland]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

This.

I fail to see either being a finals-standard backman.

However, they fill a need at present and as such are required players.

Austin had shocking fumbles his first few outings but appears to be improving in this area. Markovic is just too slow for AFL level IMO.

So is Ben Rutten

 

[josh the gent]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

This.

I fail to see either being a finals-standard backman.

However, they fill a need at present and as such are required players.

Austin had shocking fumbles his first few outings but appears to be improving in this area. Markovic is just too slow for AFL level IMO.

It's hard to say with KPDs, usually they take a while to blossom.

That said, Lake is an example of that, and only really started to show signs in 2005 - age 23.

Austin is 23 now, while Markovic is 25.

Most Carlton fans said Austin was a decent get when we rookied him. He showed plenty at Carlton in 2009, but then had injury problems. If he can stay fit and keep improving, we might have a real player on our hands.

Markovic's pace deficiency is blown a bit out of proportion IMO. His level of improvement this year was pretty impressive, although I think he is probably in a duel with Talia for a future position in defence.

I think both players showing a bit is a good thing for Tom Williams too. He will now have to get form, and stay in it to keep his spot in the team. For too long we babied him along, as we were short (pardon the pun) of other realistic options for KP in defence.

 

[stefoid]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

It's hard to say with KPDs, usually they take a while to blossom.

That said, Lake is an example of that, and only really started to show signs in 2005 - age 23.

Austin is 23 now, while Markovic is 25.

Most Carlton fans said Austin was a decent get when we rookied him. He showed plenty at Carlton in 2009, but then had injury problems. If he can stay fit and keep improving, we might have a real player on our hands.

Markovic's pace deficiency is blown a bit out of proportion IMO. His level of improvement this year was pretty impressive, although I think he is probably in a duel with Talia for a future position in defence.

I think both players showing a bit is a good thing for Tom Williams too. He will now have to get form, and stay in it to keep his spot in the team. For too long we babied him along, as we were short (pardon the pun) of other realistic options for KP in defence.

I think Marko struggles against the athletic forwards who can really leap - if he loses body contact with his opponent, its all over. He is OK in a stand and deliver type of sitaution where both players have their feet on the ground though - very good at getting a fist in then.

 

[cammo78]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

So is Ben Rutten

And how many premierships/Grand Finals have Adelaide been involved in with Rutten as the lynchpin of their backline?

 

[Zephiisdaman]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

For mine Austin seems to have much better closing speed. Marko looks terribly slow and does alright with stand and mark type forwards. But how many of the good forwards actually just stand and mark? Most would know Marko is as slow as a wet week and just get on the bike to burn him off.
Austin moves pretty well although he looks awkward and he has a nice ability to just get a fist or touch at the right time. He is rangy and has a good reach not unlike Dustin Fletcher. I am not comparing him with Dustin ability wise but he seems to have a few more tricks than Marko.
So it is Austin easily for me.
As for Gilbee, he is toast. I like the possibility of using him as a backup forward, but he just doesn't have the desperation or hardness required for Macca's game style.
Contested ball is ourgame plan and Linds isnt going to give any extra contest than the boys doin the job already.

 

[DragzLS1]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

I think Marko and Austin would compliment eachother well when Marko is back in the side. Just would like to know who makes room for him :s

I like both of them and when Marko's confidence is up can absolutely get on top of his opponent. How many forward have kicked a bag on Marko? He kept Franklin to 1 goal for 3 quarters and pretty much gave him a few in junk time last year when we were already 40 points down with 10min to go.

Either way, we are very steady future wise and once Hargrave has retired Austin will just slot into the starting 6 with no worries if he keeps playing and improving the way he is. Good times ahead

 

[cammo78]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

I think Marko and Austin would compliment eachother well when Marko is back in the side. Just would like to know who makes room for him :s

I like both of them and when Marko's confidence is up can absolutely get on top of his opponent. How many forward have kicked a bag on Marko? He kept Franklin to 1 goal for 3 quarters and pretty much gave him a few in junk time last year when we were already 40 points down with 10min to go.

Either way, we are very steady future wise and once Hargrave has retired Austin will just slot into the starting 6 with no worries if he keeps playing and improving the way he is. Good times ahead

Josh Kennedy has kicked 10 and 7 on him their past two outings.

Incidentally - Josh is quite quick.

 

[Shemp 54]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

Josh Kennedy has kicked 10 and 7 on him their past two outings.

Incidentally - Josh is quite quick.

So the answer would be one or two players have kicked bags on him inc Buddy who only had one with 10 minutes to go?

 

[cammo78]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

So the answer would be one or two players have kicked bags on him inc Buddy who only had one with 10 minutes to go?

You asked.

My observation is that when he lets someone off the chain, as has happened with Kennedy, it happens bloody quickly. He can't go with them and West Coast have twice played through Kennedy and exploited it. The results are what they are.

As previously stated. I love his attitude, but I don't think he is up to the level. He, for me, fits into that large category of players who are too good for VFL, but not up to the next step, and I don't see him being part of a premiership back six.

He fills a need for us at present and gives his all in doing so.

I'd love him to prove me wrong and will be happy to eat my words.

 

[True Dog]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

As many have said they're different types of defenders. One (Marko) is happier on the last line of defense the other more comfortable up the ground a little...Neither are naturally attacking although Marko tries to run and carry a little, Austin has great closing speed and punches with either hand...Room for both if need be...

 

[Frisky Dingo]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

It is going to be a tough job for Mccartney when the likes of markovic, williams, gilbee, morris, vez and wood are all through with injuries. Great problem to have though, good to have quality backman in the stocks. If only we had that problem in our forward line..

 

[Shemp 54]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

You asked.

My observation is that when he lets someone off the chain, as has happened with Kennedy, it happens bloody quickly. He can't go with them and West Coast have twice played through Kennedy and exploited it. The results are what they are.

As previously stated. I love his attitude, but I don't think he is up to the level. He, for me, fits into that large category of players who are too good for VFL, but not up to the next step, and I don't see him being part of a premiership back six.

He fills a need for us at present and gives his all in doing so.

I'd love him to prove me wrong and will be happy to eat my words.

How many of our list do you see as being part of a premiership team? You may be right but somewhat different discussion to whether he is better than Austin. And are you saying he is not up to 'AFL' level? Despite finishing 10th in the B&F in his first season [where he missed quite a few games]?

 

[Sharkey66]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

Unfortunately for Austin when Tom Williams resumes Austin has to go back on the Rookie list unless we have another player that goes on to the LTI
We had a similar dilemma with Dahl towards the end of last season if i recall.
So it may be Marco by default as he is on the senior list.

 

[_Mike_]

Re: Marcovic vs Austin

Had a good chat with Austin last night at the player sponsor dinner, he seems keen on making every effort to play good footy with the dogs and feels good about the guys around him on the back line.

Gave the impression that he was going to try his best to make his mark on the backline and prove his ability, so far he's doing well given the opportunity

 

[nicko77]

Well Austin would need to be elevated to the senior list full time before contemplating this argument.

The fact is how many times have the Bulldogs had all their key position players available at the same time in the past few seasons. Answer is rarely. Austin will have a few more games to prove himself, but Williams is key to our matchups. I see Austin more of a Morris type player, good closing speed can play a bit on mid sized forwards and key forwards, not a lot of rebound. Marki's more a last line of defence type, good disposal and decision maker and Lake won't be around forever.

Talia and Roberts look a couple of years away yet from really pushing out either of Austin or Marko.

Hargrave could retire at year's end. I thought Gilbee had lost pace last year and I don't see him really regaining his place. The only thing that might save him a few matches is his elite foot skills, that would add a lot to our ball movement forward but he's not a long term solution.

 

[acker]

I see Markovic and Austin in our future defence

Talia + Roberts to start with while young probably more likely to run with an opposition 3rd tall

Williams definitely worth a prolonged trial at CHF or FF

Lake might finish his career down the forward line