Opinion Matt Priddis discussion.

[Jiggyman]

It's a slow phase-out. Spent time deep forward; don't see that often. Being exposed more and more for pace and agility, but still digging in hard and contributing. AKA what I've posted after almost every game this year.

Is there any point moaning when he's clearly going to be playing the year out at least? Just stop.

 

[Godfather32]

Are you sure you want to say this when you said this earlier?


Hypocrisy at its finest.

Btw Captain Hero and Godfather32, I know this is old, but I'd just like to say these are the two worst posts I have ever read on here:



This is the most disgraceful thing I have ever read from supposed Eagles supporters.

Seriously, **** off with that. It's disgusting, just utterly vile spew that no one deserves. To say a club champion who has served the club for 200 games and was judged the best centreman in 2015 was a mistake makes me question who you even support.

This forum, for the most part, has some fantastic insight. Hell, even this thread has some valid points. But this sort of toxic bullshit should be reserved for the opposition, not our own champions.

To pin the blame of 2008-10 solely on Priddis is complete bullshit and you both know it.

Not sure what's vile about it, have I attacked Priddis personally in any way? And where have I said that Priddis is solely to blame for our poor performance? My point is that it was a mistake to build our entire midfield strategy around a one dimensional, slow player who has poor disposal.

 

[CM9000]

Not sure what's vile about it, have I attacked Priddis personally in any way?

As a footballer you have.

And where have I said that Priddis is solely to blame for our poor performance?

You agreed with Captain Hero's statement that "Matt has reigned over this extended period of mediocrity this club has been stuck in since 2008". Additionally, you're literally saying that the fact we supposedly built a midfield around Priddis has cost us the ultimate success. If that's not pinning the blame on him then I don't know what is.

My point is that it was a mistake to build our entire midfield strategy around a one dimensional, slow player who has poor disposal.

Why was he the All-Australian centreman in 2015?

 

[Ok Boomer]

It's a slow phase-out. Spent time deep forward; don't see that often.

Is there any point moaning when he's clearly going to be playing the year out at least? Just stop.

He was occasionally the deepest forward vs Freo too, especially when the play was in Freo's half. I hope for, and kinda think that a slow phase-out is happening, but you can see him easily falling off a cliff performance wise, and he is getting backed up onto that cliff every round atm.

 

[Jiggyman]

He was occasionally the deepest forward vs Freo too, especially when the play was in Freo's half. I hope for, and kinda think that a slow phase-out is happening, but you can see him easily falling off a cliff performance wise, and he is getting backed up onto that cliff every round atm.

Simpson has mentioned for a few weeks now that it's important to be getting time into our next gen of contested mids. It's happening! But our stoppages are pretty important atm, and Priddis is still an important part of winning them/negating clean exits for the opposition (even if his hands aren't as clean as 2015). I guess having some youth play is helping to cover for that lack of pace, to a degree.

 

[Forward Press]

Simpson has mentioned for a few weeks now that it's important to be getting time into our next gen of contested mids. It's happening! But our stoppages are pretty important atm, and Priddis is still an important part of winning them/negating clean exits for the opposition. I guess having some youth play is helping to cover for that lack of pace, to a degree.

We like to hang shit on Simmo for insipid performances like vs Hawthorn at the MCG, but in the end I'd like to think he knows what he's doing. Now isn't the time for da yoof when we are 6-2 and pushing for a flag this year. If Venables explodes onto the scene in the WAFL then by all means give him games, but that's not happened yet.

 

[Jiggyman]

We like to hang shit on Simmo for insipid performances like vs Hawthorn at the MCG, but in the end I'd like to think he knows what he's doing. Now isn't the time for da yoof when we are 6-2 and pushing for a flag this year. If Venables explodes onto the scene in the WAFL then by all means give him games, but that's not happened yet.

Oh yeah, first-years shouldn't be rushed in when you're winning games. Unless its SPS.

 

[Godfather32]

As a footballer you have.



You agreed with Captain Hero's statement that "Matt has reigned over this extended period of mediocrity this club has been stuck in since 2008". Additionally, you're literally saying that the fact we supposedly built a midfield around Priddis has cost us the ultimate success. If that's not pinning the blame on him then I don't know what is.



Why was he the All-Australian centreman in 2015?

And as a footballer he is a flawed player, not sure where this idea comes from that we can't criticise the players whilst still supporting the team, this isn't the cheer squad forum and I'm not standing around with pom poms.

I do agree with Captain Hero's statement, what part of it's wrong in your opinion? He's been our "top" midfielder since 2008, he's been the central cog in our midfield strategy and it hasn't yielded success. I don't blame Priddis for this, he's gotten the most out of himself despite his limitations, is an extremely hard worker and is very, very good at 2 or 3 things. I blame our coaches for making him the focal point of our midfield, I blame the coaches for not being able to develop other midfielders to take his place and I blame our recruiters for not being able to bring in better midfielders to the team. Unfortunately the AFL game has moved on and you can't keep a player in the side as a central piece, with as many deficiencies as he has and be successful.

As for 2015 I've said many times (and you can go back and see this for yourself if you like) that he had a brilliant year, much better than his Brownlow year, because he managed to limit the poor parts of his game, mainly his disposal, and the newly implemented web largely covered up for his lack of defensive run. Unfortunately this year his disposal has dropped back down to prior levels and is amongst the worst on the team now, his decision making has dropped off a cliff and other teams have worked out the web to a degree, which in combination with the rest of our slow mids makes him a massive defensive liability once the opposition has the ball.

 

[WCErevival]

We like to hang shit on Simmo for insipid performances like vs Hawthorn at the MCG, but in the end I'd like to think he knows what he's doing. Now isn't the time for da yoof when we are 6-2 and pushing for a flag this year. If Venables explodes onto the scene in the WAFL then by all means give him games, but that's not happened yet.

It's not like he's playing all seniors either. MacKenzie, Schofield, Jetta, Hutchings and Giles are playing 2nds while Duggan, Mutimer, Sheed and Barrass are getting games. Good chance Nelson comes in for Butler too.

Priddis is declining but he wont be dropped this year. A lot of guys are rotating through the middle now so having him there isn't holding anyone back. I do agree he should retire this year though.

 

[Forward Press]

And as a footballer he is a flawed player, not sure where this idea comes from that we can't criticise the players whilst still supporting the team, this isn't the cheer squad forum and I'm not standing around with pom poms.

I do agree with Captain Hero's statement, what part of it's wrong in your opinion? He's been our "top" midfielder since 2008, he's been the central cog in our midfield strategy and it hasn't yielded success. I don't blame Priddis for this, he's gotten the most out of himself despite his limitations, is an extremely hard worker and is very, very good at 2 or 3 things. I blame our coaches for making him the focal point of our midfield, I blame the coaches for not being able to develop other midfielders to take his place and I blame our recruiters for not being able to bring in better midfielders to the team. Unfortunately the AFL game has moved on and you can't keep a player in the side as a central piece, with as many deficiencies as he has and be successful.

As for 2015 I've said many times (and you can go back and see this for yourself if you like) that he had a brilliant year, much better than his Brownlow year, because he managed to limit the poor parts of his game, mainly his disposal, and the newly implemented web largely covered up for his lack of defensive run. Unfortunately this year his disposal has dropped back down to prior levels and is amongst the worst on the team now, his decision making has dropped off a cliff and other teams have worked out the web to a degree, which in combination with the rest of our slow mids makes him a massive defensive liability once the opposition has the ball.

I'd argue since 2011 we've actually been one of the more successful teams. Only five teams have made a GF since 2011 - Hawthorn, Sydney, Freo, Dogs and us. It's bloody hard to make a grand final, and even harder to win a flag. Blaming Priddis for the team not being able to take that last step is just disingenuous.

He's been below par this year, as a whole, but like a lot in the pro-Priddis camp have stated, he's still first 22 for the time being, and worthy of it.

 

[Godfather32]

I'd argue since 2011 we've actually been one of the more successful teams. Only five teams have made a GF since 2011 - Hawthorn, Sydney, Freo, Dogs and us. It's bloody hard to make a grand final, and even harder to win a flag. Blaming Priddis for the team not being able to take that last step is just disingenuous.

He's been below par this year, as a whole, but like a lot in the pro-Priddis camp have stated, he's still first 22 for the time being, and worthy of it.

Disagree, surely the key indicator of being a successful team is winning a flag? I mean I don't hear many purple fans banging on about how successful they were in losing a Grand Final and if anyone was going to do it, it would be them.

I'd be fine with your last statement if he was able to be played in other positions and we could transition him out of the middle a bit more, like we did with guys like Banfield & Selwood. Unfortunately because of the mix of him being slow and having poor disposal he can't be played in either the forward or backlines so this isn't an option. I truly believe that in his current form if we had a near full list to pick from we'd be a better side with him playing at East Perth.

 

[Eagleboy68]

Are you sure you want to say this when you said this earlier?


Hypocrisy at its finest.

Btw Captain Hero and Godfather32, I know this is old, but I'd just like to say these are the two worst posts I have ever read on here:



This is the most disgraceful thing I have ever read from supposed Eagles supporters.

Seriously, **** off with that. It's disgusting, just utterly vile spew that no one deserves. To say a club champion who has served the club for 200 games and was judged the best centreman in 2015 was a mistake makes me question who you even support.

This forum, for the most part, has some fantastic insight. Hell, even this thread has some valid points. But this sort of toxic bullshit should be reserved for the opposition, not our own champions.

To pin the blame of 2008-10 solely on Priddis is complete bullshit and you both know it.

And where have I said anything that isn't true?

If Ablett wasn't injured he would have won the Brownlow by the length of the straight.
Priddis' was overlooked in three drafts...ask yourself why.

 

[Eagleboy68]

As a footballer you have.



You agreed with Captain Hero's statement that "Matt has reigned over this extended period of mediocrity this club has been stuck in since 2008". Additionally, you're literally saying that the fact we supposedly built a midfield around Priddis has cost us the ultimate success. If that's not pinning the blame on him then I don't know what is.



Why was he the All-Australian centreman in 2015?

Because he had his best season in 2015 which godfather had repeatedly stated.

 

[Eagleboy68]

I'd argue since 2011 we've actually been one of the more successful teams. Only five teams have made a GF since 2011 - Hawthorn, Sydney, Freo, Dogs and us. It's bloody hard to make a grand final, and even harder to win a flag. Blaming Priddis for the team not being able to take that last step is just disingenuous.

He's been below par this year, as a whole, but like a lot in the pro-Priddis camp have stated, he's still first 22 for the time being, and worthy of it.

You admit he is below par yet you state he is still worthy of being in the 22?

Mate he is operating without confidence at the moment and his disposal is worse than it ever has been. Add to that his clearance work in the packs isn't what it used to be so his most effective weapon is gone.

Any other player would be dropped.
Indeed if Shuey was operating with the same disposal numbers and similar poor disposal etc we'd be asking him to be dropped but priddis' gets a pass.
Some in the board are criticising gaff for his disposal, even last night it was poor at times.
And you expect priddis to not cop any criticism? Why?
Just because he has been a great servant of the club doesn't give you a free pass and certainly doesn't mean you should get away with poor disposals...especially in a year we should be contending for a flag.

 

[Ok Boomer]

Disagree, surely the key indicator of being a successful team is winning a flag? I mean I don't hear many purple fans banging on about how successful they were in losing a Grand Final and if anyone was going to do it, it would be them.

I'd be fine with your last statement if he was able to be played in other positions and we could transition him out of the middle a bit more, like we did with guys like Banfield & Selwood. Unfortunately because of the mix of him being slow and having poor disposal he can't be played in either the forward or backlines so this isn't an option. I truly believe that in his current form if we had a near full list to pick from we'd be a better side with him playing at East Perth.

In a different era, you could see him being a handy forward, and a difficult one on one match up, unfortunately his pace and general lack of pressure (outside stoppage situations) makes him unsuitable, unless used in small bursts.

 

[WCErevival]

You admit he is below par yet you state he is still worthy of being in the 22?

Mate he is operating without confidence at the moment and his disposal is worse than it ever has been. Add to that his clearance work in the packs isn't what it used to be so his most effective weapon is gone.

Any other player would be dropped.
Indeed if Shuey was operating with the same disposal numbers and similar poor disposal etc we'd be asking him to be dropped but priddis' gets a pass.
Some in the board are criticising gaff for his disposal, even last night it was poor at times.
And you expect priddis to not cop any criticism? Why?
Just because he has been a great servant of the club doesn't give you a free pass and certainly doesn't mean you should get away with poor disposals...especially in a year we should be contending for a flag.

Because inside midfielders generally have poor disposal because its under pressure. Outside midfielders like Gaff should have decent disposal but he is rated as one of the worst out of the outside mids in the comp.

As for Shuey he only had 20 disposals last night and made a couple of errors and I dont see anyone asking for him to be dropped.

 

[Godfather32]

In a different era, you could see him being a handy forward, and a difficult one on one match up, unfortunately his pace and general lack of pressure (outside stoppage situations) makes him unsuitable, unless used in small bursts.

Yeh for sure, he's quite good at crumbing the ball off the front of packs. Then again in a different era he'd still be effective as a down in the mud in and under midfielder pushing the ball forward at all costs

 

[CM9000]

And as a footballer he is a flawed player, not sure where this idea comes from that we can't criticise the players whilst still supporting the team, this isn't the cheer squad forum and I'm not standing around with pom poms.

There's a difference between criticising and lamenting a player to the point where it's ridiculous.

I do agree with Captain Hero's statement, what part of it's wrong in your opinion? He's been our "top" midfielder since 2008, he's been the central cog in our midfield strategy and it hasn't yielded success. I don't blame Priddis for this, he's gotten the most out of himself despite his limitations, is an extremely hard worker and is very, very good at 2 or 3 things. I blame our coaches for making him the focal point of our midfield, I blame the coaches for not being able to develop other midfielders to take his place and I blame our recruiters for not being able to bring in better midfielders to the team. Unfortunately the AFL game has moved on and you can't keep a player in the side as a central piece, with as many deficiencies as he has and be successful.

If we're going to measure succes by the amount of flags one gets then the following players were failures:
* Robert Harvey
* Gary Ablett Snr
* Nick Riewoldt
* Matthew Pavlich

Don't you see the problem with measuring a players success on the amount of flags they've won? Premierships are bloody hard to achieve, as Forward Press has stated, and its entirely unfair to judge a player solely on that. There's a reason we have individual accolades, and premierships are something a team wins, not the individual. Overall, these are some incredibly unrealistic expectations to be placing on the shoulders of one player.

As for 2015 I've said many times (and you can go back and see this for yourself if you like) that he had a brilliant year, much better than his Brownlow year, because he managed to limit the poor parts of his game, mainly his disposal, and the newly implemented web largely covered up for his lack of defensive run. Unfortunately this year his disposal has dropped back down to prior levels and is amongst the worst on the team now, his decision making has dropped off a cliff and other teams have worked out the web to a degree, which in combination with the rest of our slow mids makes him a massive defensive liability once the opposition has the ball.

I though Priddis was a "one dimensional, slow player who has poor disposal", so I'm guessing that's a blip on the rader? Should 2014 and 2015 not count in the rating of his success as a player?

And where have I said anything that isn't true?

If Ablett wasn't injured he would have won the Brownlow by the length of the straight.
Priddis' was overlooked in three drafts...ask yourself why.

I doubt it was the fault of Priddis that GAJ was injured in 2014.

Whether you like it or not, Priddis won his Brownlow outright fair and square in 2014, and just because GAJ was injured has no bearing on its validity.

Also, wasn't Sam Mitchell overlooked in a couple drafts? Surely that should count against him as a player, right? Or what about Gov, who was picked up in the rookie draft? That certainly makes him less of a player.

Where and when a player was drafted has no bearing on their quality.

 

[Godfather32]

There's a difference between criticising and lamenting a player to the point where it's ridiculous.



If we're going to measure succes by the amount of flags one gets then the following players were failures:
* Robert Harvey
* Gary Ablett Snr
* Nick Riewoldt
* Matthew Pavlich

Don't you see the problem with measuring a players success on the amount of flags they've won? Premierships are bloody hard to achieve, as Forward Press has stated, and its entirely unfair to judge a player solely on that. There's a reason we have individual accolades, and premierships are something a team wins, not the individual. Overall, these are some incredibly unrealistic expectations to be placing on the shoulders of one player.



I though Priddis was a "one dimensional, slow player who has poor disposal", so I'm guessing that's a blip on the rader? Should 2014 and 2015 not count in the rating of his success as a player?



I doubt it was the fault of Priddis that GAJ was injured in 2014.

Whether you like it or not, Priddis won his Brownlow outright fair and square in 2014, and just because GAJ was injured has no bearing on its validity.

Also, wasn't Sam Mitchell overlooked in a couple drafts? Surely that should count against him as a player, right? Or what about Gov, who was picked up in the rookie draft? That certainly makes him less of a player.

Where and when a player was drafted has no bearing on their quality.

This is the f****** Priddis thread, who else are we meant to talk about?
Those players were great, doesn't mean that their team was successful which was what we were discussing, you may want to work on your comprehension skills. I don't give a shit how good a certain player is, I want our team to win flags, end of story.
Priddis is a one dimensional, slow player who has poor disposal, what part of that do you disagree with? That doesn't mean he didn't have a very good year in 2015.

 

[CM9000]

This is the f****** Priddis thread, who else are we meant to talk about?
Those players were great, doesn't mean that their team was successful which was what we were discussing, you may want to work on your comprehension skills. I don't give a shit how good a certain player is, I want our team to win flags, end of story.
Priddis is a one dimensional, slow player who has poor disposal, what part of that do you disagree with? That doesn't mean he didn't have a very good year in 2015.

I'm responding to the fact that you said Priddis wasn't a success because we haven't won a flag. I'm just showing how that logic doesn't exactly work by using the example of other star players who haven't won a flag with their team.

At no point did I change the discussion to be about other players, I'm solely just challenging your statement.

Please don't start insulting me just because you disagree.

 

[Godfather32]

I'm responding to the fact that you said Priddis wasn't a success because we haven't won a flag. I'm just showing how that logic doesn't exactly work by using the example of other star players who haven't won a flag with their team.

At no point did I change the discussion to be about other players, I'm solely just challenging your statement.

Please don't start insulting me just because you disagree.

For starters I never said Priddis wasn't a success because we haven't won a flag. I stated that our team hadn't been successful in the Priddis era, quite clearly and several times. At no point have I insulted you, I just said you need to work on your comprehension skills, which you clearly do as you seem to be completely fabricating statements that I have supposedly made (and this isn't the first time).
Did I say you changed the discussion to be about other players? Again, you're either not reading the posts you're responding to or you're not understanding them.

 

[CM9000]

For starters I never said Priddis wasn't a success because we haven't won a flag. I stated that our team hadn't been successful in the Priddis era, quite clearly and several times.

Yes you have:
"This is true, he's been our main midfielder in the worst decade the club has gone through performance wise. Now in that decade we've had some amazing players in the ruck, forward and backlines and yet haven't won a thing. Time to concede that building a midfield around Priddis has been a mistake from the start and move on."

"I do agree with Captain Hero's statement, what part of it's wrong in your opinion? He's been our "top" midfielder since 2008, he's been the central cog in our midfield strategy and it hasn't yielded success."

If "Our team is a failure because Priddis is in the midfield and we haven't a flag" and "Priddis was a mistake because we haven't won flag" aren't the same thing then I don't know what is. Sure, you included, "I don't blame Priddis for this", but I feel it's still the same thing.

At no point have I insulted you, I just said you need to work on your comprehension skills, which you clearly do as you seem to be completely fabricating statements that I have supposedly made (and this isn't the first time).

Which I take as an insult. It's the same as "your not smart enough to understand me, work on your reading skills".

Did I say you changed the discussion to be about other players? Again, you're either not reading the posts you're responding to or you're not understanding them.

I wasn't sure what "This is the f****** Priddis thread, who else are we meant to talk about?" was referring to, so I apologise for misunderstanding.

 

[QS]

I feel like this thread needs more Gunnar Longshanks..

PS: For those not folllowing... Priddis isn't our centrepiece anymore.

 

[Godfather32]

Yes you have:
"This is true, he's been our main midfielder in the worst decade the club has gone through performance wise. Now in that decade we've had some amazing players in the ruck, forward and backlines and yet haven't won a thing. Time to concede that building a midfield around Priddis has been a mistake from the start and move on."

"I do agree with Captain Hero's statement, what part of it's wrong in your opinion? He's been our "top" midfielder since 2008, he's been the central cog in our midfield strategy and it hasn't yielded success."

If "Our team is a failure because Priddis is in the midfield and we haven't a flag" and "Priddis was a mistake because we haven't won flag" aren't the same thing then I don't know what is. Sure, you included, "I don't blame Priddis for this", but I feel it's still the same thing.



Which I take as an insult. It's the same as "your not smart enough to understand me, work on your reading skills".



I wasn't sure what "This is the f****** Priddis thread, who else are we meant to talk about?" was referring to, so I apologise for misunderstanding.

And both of the sentences you bolded are clearly referring to team success. In fact the context of the whole thread at least from the anti-Priddis side revolves around the fact the Priddis as a key midfielder hasn't helped us to be a successful team.
There's no point continuing this conversation, you're reading things in my statements that just aren't there and blatantly making things up. Like I said this isn't the first time you've done this, hence my comprehension skills comment.

 

[CM9000]

And both of the sentences you bolded are clearly referring to team success. In fact the context of the whole thread at least from the anti-Priddis side revolves around the fact the Priddis as a key midfielder hasn't helped us to be a successful team.
There's no point continuing this conversation, you're reading things in my statements that just aren't there and blatantly making things up. Like I said this isn't the first time you've done this, hence my comprehension skills comment.

I'm sorry, but would you mind explaining to me how "Priddis stops us from making the next step" is different to "Priddis has been a failure because we haven't won a flag"? You're blaming Priddis for the lack of team success, thus I feel pinning the blame on him for this is unfair and true, or, in other words, "Priddis wasn't a success because we haven't won a flag". Seriously, I just can't see the difference.

Please note that I'm incredibly sick at the moment and bedstricken (been in bed for 3 days now, missed the Friday game), so if I'm actually making talking nonsense at the moment and completely oblivious to the fact, it's because of that. So I apologise if that's the case.