Confirmed Matthew Kennedy: To Dogs p/of 4-way trade: B. Smith (WB) & pick 45 to Geel / pick 38 to Carl / Macrae (WB) to StK / pick 17 & Kennedy (Carl) to

[threenewpadlocks]

Best 22 midfielder that quite clearly is not being pushed out as stated by his manager and Cleary.

Blues are open to trading him for the right price but will happily have him back next year if a deal can't be found that suits Kennedy and the club

Future 3rd

Not to disagree with the general point you're making but of course Blues would frame it as "happily" take him back, because if Kennedy doesn't find a contract/role he would like at another club, he's entitled to see out the final year of his contract at the Blues and the Blues can't do anything about it. We can't know whether Carlton would be "happy" about that fact (because they genuinely might like to get rid of his contract or not give him games next year), they're just not going to make a song and dance about it in the media.

Likewise, Kennedy may be desperate to leave, but is realistic about the fact that his manager shouldn't be going out to the media burning bridges or talking shit, because if no other opportunity at another club is forthcoming, he doesn't want to have to walk back to the Blues with this tail between his legs.

 

[fnerd]

Best 22 midfielder that quite clearly is not being pushed out as stated by his manager and Cleary.

Blues are open to trading him for the right price but will happily have him back next year if a deal can't be found that suits Kennedy and the club

Future 3rd

Classic Carlton supporter comprehension

Blake acres was b22 mid in a finals playing team at the time , was also offered a contract HOWEVER was not actually tapped on the shoulder by his club and told “look elsewhere “

What did Carlton pay for him ?…

-remembering Carlton fans including yourself (very vocally I might add ) basically used the EXACT reasons I stated in my original post to justify acres trade price

now the shoe is on the other foot….

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Classic Carlton supporter comprehension

Blake acres was b22 mid in a finals playing team at the time , was also offered a contract HOWEVER was not actually tapped on the shoulder by his club and told “look elsewhere “

What did Carlton pay for him ?…

-remembering Carlton fans including yourself (very vocally I might add ) basically used the EXACT reasons I stated in my original post to justify acres trade price

now the shoe is on the other foot….

Blacres was uncontracted, Kennedy is not.

That deal was also widely scrutinized for being an complete botch job from Freo who barely offered him more than a minimum contract while Carlton offered almost double that.

Future 3rd was massive unders for Blacres, Kennedy under contract worth a 2nd given they're a similar level of player.

 

[fnerd]

Not to disagree with the general point you're making but of course Blues would frame it as "happily" take him back, because if Kennedy doesn't find a contract/role he would like at another club, he's entitled to see out the final year of his contract at the Blues and the Blues can't do anything about it. We can't know whether Carlton would be "happy" about that fact (because they genuinely might like to get rid of his contract or not give him games next year), they're just not going to make a song and dance about it in the media.

This

The no 1 reason he’s actually being pushed out is for salary cap space .

the fact is he’s the most expendable (as 4th in line slow inside mid).

lol” happy to take him back” Of course he goes back to Carlton if no takers, they have no choice ffs

They want his salary gone so they can have a shot at Houston or even trav next year.

So If his salary his an issue especially in relation to how much value he adds to a team then the most Carlton can hope for is f3

 

[fnerd]

That deal was also widely scrutinized for being an complete botch job from Freo who barely offered him more than a minimum contract while Carlton offered almost double that.

Privy to the exact terms of his contract were we?

So again why did you and your fellow supporters continually bring up the “pushed him out line” then when discussing why blacres trade price was so low?

The fact your missing in all of this is the 2 ARE almost identical situation

The number 1 reason your pushing him out is due to wanting his salary space.

Clearly you guys want Houston and or maybe making a play for trac next year

The contract status is only relevant in regards to timing. Ideally they need Kennedys space now.
Hence the push (he definitely won’t be there in 26’ regardless )
Just like acres and freo in 22 just Blake was OOC instead

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Privy to the exact terms of his contract were we?

So again why did you and your fellow supporters continually bring up the “pushed him out line” then when discussing why blacres trade price was so low?

The fact your missing in all of this is the 2 ARE almost identical situation

The number 1 reason your pushing him out is due to wanting his salary space.

Clearly you guys want Houston and or maybe making a play for trac next year

The contract status is only relevant in regards to timing. Ideally they need Kennedys space now.
Hence the push (he definitely won’t be there in 26’ regardless )
Just like acres and freo in 22 just Blake was OOC instead

Acres literally came out and disclosed in interviews that Freo lowballed the hell out of him to push him out the door. Always intended on staying but the offer was so low he couldn't stay there according to him.

But regardless, an uncontracted Acres was traded for a future 3rd round pick, which had absolutely everyone questioning the why Freo traded him for so little even before he became a hero in the finals last year... for a player of similar ability who's still contracted for another year I think it's pretty fair to think a 2nd round pick is what it takes to get done.

I was shocked Acres didn't cost atleast a pick in the early 20s after the year he'd had.

 

[THE_GUN]

Blake Acres

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Blake Acres

Age

29

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.9

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

7.7

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.8

4star

at both St Kilda & Fremantle is not the same player he is at Carlton
He is a much better player today than he showed prior to joining Carlton

So maybe there is no wrong or right with this thing , His Value was what it was because of the player he was at the time
Kennedy is easily a player that attracts a pick between 30-35

 

[A Bit Dusty]

Blake Acres at both St Kilda & Fremantle is not the same player he is at Carlton
He is a much much better player today than he showed prior to joining Carlton

So maybe there is no wrong or right with this thing , His Value was what it was because of the player he was at the time
Kennedy is easily a player that attracts a pick between 30-35

Do you think the Tigers should chase him?

 

[THE_GUN]

Do you think the Tigers should chase him?

No way

He does not fit our demographic and is similar to players we already have on the list
would suit Essendon , North , Eagles more than Richmond

 

[branedotorg]

No way

He does not fit our demographic and is similar to players we already have on the list
would suit Essendon , North , Eagles more than Richmond

You'd be silly to chase him with TT, Hopper and a few other slow contested mids. Still think saints and Essendon could give him the role he wants.

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

Privy to the exact terms of his contract were we?

Sticking it in reverse now you've been well rebutted.

As much as anything is made public knowledge, it seems well accepted that the Freo offer to Acres was poor.

Why else is he leaving his home state while playing well?

That said, I doubt MK leaves and if he does it's definitely not for a pick under 30.

 

[THE_GUN]

Sticking it in reverse now you've been well rebutted.

As much as anything is made public knowledge, it seems well accepted that the Freo offer to Acres was poor.

Why else is he leaving his home state while playing well?

That said, I doubt MK leaves and if he does it's definitely for a pick under 30.

If he had a great 2022 then why did Fremantle low ball him to the degree where he felt he needed to look for another club , Well done to carlton to realize his talents and pay him the salary he deserved.
But Kennedy in the right team would be a great aquation he just is surplus to Carlton in an area where they have depth
And his speed really doesn't allow him to have an influence on the outside

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

If he had a great 2022 then why did Fremantle low ball him to the degree where he felt he needed to look for another club , Well done to carlton to realize his talents and pay him the salary he deserved.

No idea. Cap squeeze? Acres is a wing and not much else...maybe they had some young talent they wanted to blood. Possibly trying to keep Henry.

Acres played two pretty handy finals in 22, so not like he faded in the straight.

I don't think Kennedy is as out of favour as has been made out...it sounds more like a mature discussion with a vet that he won't see as much time in his preferred role.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Blake Acres at both St Kilda & Fremantle is not the same player he is at Carlton
He is a much much better player today than he showed prior to joining Carlton

So maybe there is no wrong or right with this thing , His Value was what it was because of the player he was at the time
Kennedy is easily a player that attracts a pick between 30-35

The fact anyone can believe Acres is a much much better at Carlton compared to Freo is testament to how no one gives a shit about Freo. That's completely wrong.

 

[THE_GUN]

The fact anyone can believe Acres is a much much better at Carlton compared to Freo is testament to how no one gives a shit about Freo. That's completely wrong.

So if you are telling me that Acres was just as good as he is now
Then why would Fremantle low ball him so much ( been mentioned barely average salary or under on your board)
From the freo games i watched this year 14-16 games as i have pay TV and record all games he would 100% be in your best 22.

Why let him leave for $150k clearly was not a cap issue

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

The fact anyone can believe Acres is a much much better at Carlton compared to Freo is testament to how no one gives a shit about Freo. That's completely wrong.

Who is saying much much?

I.think it's much at best.

I think you added the second much for effect.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

So if you are telling me that Acres was just as good as he is now
Then why would Fremantle low ball him so much ( been mentioned barely average salary or under on your board)
From the freo games i watched this year 14-16 games as i have pay TV and record all games he would 100% be in your best 22.

Why let him leave for $150k clearly was not a cap issue

Now thats a valid question. Without working at the club, they supposedly didn't trust his 2022 year was anything more than a flash in the pan and gave him a heavily incentive (and insulting contract). We additionally just seem to lowball anyone not in the top bunch of players. It's likely part of the reason for the names being linked to us at the moment. We'll see how valid/stupid that list management approach is in the next few years.

They have since admitted it was a mistake as well.

And for what it's worth, I also think Kennedy is a pick around 30. North should be all over it.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Who is saying much much?

I.think it's much at best.

I think you added the second much for effect.

There is definitely a much much better in there just above, my muches are correct in volume

 

[Since 2001]

Should go to geelong

 

[THE_GUN]

Should go to geelong

3 years too early

 

[pressurepoint]

I don’t see the point of trading this bloke. The pick we get back will not match what this guy offers us week in week out.

If we had to get him out then
Essendons pick 28
Collingwoods pick 33
Geelongs pick 37
Norths pick 22 or 40 (more something in between)

 

[Makeshift Park]

And for what it's worth, I also think Kennedy is a pick around 30. North should be all over it.

The only reason I can imagine we wouldn't be is if we are confident of landing Parker.

I'd take both, happily.

 

[Pablito]

Do North really need another inside mid?

LDU and Wardlaw are the future.

Much more suited to someone like the Saints or Collingwood.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Do North really need another inside mid?

LDU and Wardlaw are the future.

Much more suited to someone like the Saints or Collingwood.

They need a defensively accountable one though. Tom Powell had games where he was winning 25+ touches, and not saying he's a bad player, but lot of it was him wandering around hunting the ball without any consideration to team structure or the opponent. North were in a constant battle all season of knowing that Powell was one of the rare talented players in a team that didn't have much of it, but also, having a structure and roles.

 

[Makeshift Park]

They need a defensively accountable one though. Tom Powell had games where he was winning 25+ touches, and not saying he's a bad player, but lot of it was him wandering around hunting the ball without any consideration to team structure or the opponent. North were in a constant battle all season of knowing that Powell was one of the rare talented players in a team that didn't have much of it, but also, having a structure and roles.

Exactly. We’re still looking for our equivalent of Drew / Rowbottom / Viney. The one who allows the stars to shine.