Opinion Matthew Nicks: Adelaide's Coach (Part 2) - Full Support of the Board

[George Kramer]

Illogical premise .....you make the call on the body of work .....not on whether you win the next game

Illogical premise? You’ve bagged his coaching in all 3 games this year. He has not made finals in 5 years and last year despite being carried by Tex and our forward line he’s gone defensive.

Would you resign him after 0-3 or would you wait a little longer? Don’t squib it, it’s a pretty simple question.

 

[George Kramer]

After 4 rounds last year .....CARL were 3 wins & 1 Draw

Fast forward to Round 12 ....CARL win 1 of the next 8 .....so is he a good coach at this point or not ?

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And the teams that don’t recover from that position? Would it be more sensible to wait to see how it unfolds or rush to resign him?

You’ve bagged his coaching 3/3, clearly you think he’s coached poorly hence why the rush to resign him? Unless you’re too embarrassed to backtrack from your cheerleading?

 

[George Kramer]

After how many years for Voss at Carlton?
We are 5 years into nicks!

How did Bolton go? Did he recover? How about Teague? Wayne is hanging his hat on one positive example and ignoring the failures

 

[Crow_68]

It was cringeworthy.... Legitimately thinks we are only a few tweaks off from being a top 4 side.

"Internally, we look at a lot more data and make decisions upon"

Tell him that the only data you need is score for and score against.

Anything else is irrelevant.

 

[Crow_68]

Exactly, what ******* data? 5 wins from our last 15 games? Failure to win away from home? Scoring imploding? Turnovers? What data you referring to? I would just love for once the media to ask a tough follow up question.

To see his smug fake smile, makes me want to puke.

You would be smiling if you had just hoodwinked your way to another two years.

Reckon Matthew and Ken have been having regular coffee catch-ups.

 

[WetCrow1991]

“The last three games are by no means an indication as to where this footy club is at. We look at a lot more data than that”

I’d pay my gold membership fee again to see what data that is

The data:

 

[Rotayjay]

Again I'm in the position of being a passionate supporter of my beloved Crows, but wanting them to lose. It's for the greater good of the club. I hope we lose and keep losing, enough to force Nicks out.

 

[Macka_321]

Want nicks to crash and burn hurts me to say that but will never achieve anything with him as coach.

 

[WetCrow1991]

What does the club do if we are 0-7, 0-8 ?
How are they going to spin that ?

We're going to find out.

 

[George Kramer]

WaynesWorld19 is 5 wins from 15 games and those wins being against West Coast x 2, 2023 North, Gold Coast and Port a body of work? Is it a good one?

 

[WetCrow1991]

I'm going to guess that the "data" Nicks is referring to is something basic like xScore and that based on that metric we should have beaten Geelong if we kicked for goal to expected levels

The people running the club live in a would have, should have world. Almost winning a flag is basically the same as winning it, almost making the finals is basically the same as making it, and almost winning a game is basically the same as winning it!

Where are all those people from last season that were praising the club's inability to win close games? I thought we were almost there????

 

[WetCrow1991]

After 4 rounds last year .....CARL were 3 wins & 1 Draw

Fast forward to Round 12 ....CARL win 1 of the next 8 .....so is he a good coach at this point or not ?

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And how did the season end up? While Carlton made a run to almost winning a Prelim, the Crows under Nix completely faltered again and beat the Roos, Eagles, Suns(H) and the Power.

 

[WetCrow1991]

My POV was pretty clear in the GB&U thread .....like everyone, I fumed over most aspects of the game, switching off at HT

However, it's 3 games .....IIRC we were as bad in the first two games of 2023

I would have thought the mark of a good Coach is how he navigates out of this horror show ......Michael Voss, in a similar situation last year, turned it around

So, I'm not making definitive statements on Nicks after 3 rounds, that you can't back away from .....you've cemented your position, brave or foolish ?

Amazing mental gymnastics to try to spin repeatedly failing at starting the season well as being a non issue. Oh hey we suck, it doesn't matter because we have sucked previously. Whoopsie do, losing the first couple of games is just expected!

Just go ahead and ignore how the team performed in those games and the quality of the opposition.

 

[NSolis]

WaynesWorld19 is 5 wins from 15 games and those wins being against West Coast x 2, 2023 North, Gold Coast and Port a body of work? Is it a good one?

Fair to say that if that trend continues Nicks will come under significant pressure. Not sure '5 from 15' is the best criticism of Nicks though when 12 of those games were last year and included some pretty credible performances with 4 of the 7 losses by less than a kick against pretty good teams. The performances in the first three weeks this year are much worse, which is the real problem. If we were 0-3 but the performances (and opposition) were similar to the Melbourne and Brisbane away games towards the end of last year for example I wouldn't be that worried. At least aside from the team's ability to close out close games.

Fremantle on Friday was worlds apart, and we had maybe one game last year which was similarly bad, against the Dogs.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Fair to say that if that trend continues Nicks will come under significant pressure. Not sure '5 from 15' is the best criticism of Nicks though when 12 of those games were last year and included some pretty credible performances with 4 of the 7 losses by less than a kick against pretty good teams. The performances in the first three weeks this year are much worse, which is the real problem. If we were 0-3 but the performances (and opposition) were similar to the Melbourne and Brisbane away games towards the end of last year for example I wouldn't be that worried. At least aside from the team's ability to close out close games.

Fremantle on Friday was worlds apart, and we had maybe one game last year which was similarly bad, against the Dogs

Credible performances in close losses aren't a positive if there are 9 of them and we were in a winning position in half of them. It is indicative of a mental weakness, one backed up by our terrible away record.

The last close game against a strong opponent where the Crows won was Melbourne in 2021.

 

[George Kramer]

Fair to say that if that trend continues Nicks will come under significant pressure. Not sure '5 from 15' is the best criticism of Nicks though when 12 of those games were last year and included some pretty credible performances with 4 of the 7 losses by less than a kick against pretty good teams. The performances in the first three weeks this year are much worse, which is the real problem. If we were 0-3 but the performances (and opposition) were similar to the Melbourne and Brisbane away games towards the end of last year for example I wouldn't be that worried. At least aside from the team's ability to close out close games.

Fremantle on Friday was worlds apart, and we had maybe one game last year which was similarly bad, against the Dogs.

I agree 3 losses this year are damming because they are clearly the result of poor coaching, he’s changed our gameplan for the worse. The issue is he is blaming the players rather than acknowledging any of his flaws.

But the 5 from 12 is telling too. 3 of those wins came against basket cases. 1 from a poor Gold Coast. Port we lift against and was our best win.

We lost 7 games with some honourable losses, but we still lost. A crucial loss was against Sydney when instead of coming out and playing inspired football like our season was on the line we blew it for a half. Sure we came back but we shouldn’t have had to come back.

Nicks record from the last 15 weeks is poor, there is no denying it.

 

[ABAB]

And how did the season end up? While Carlton made a run to almost winning a Prelim, the Crows under Nix completely faltered again and beat the Roos, Eagles, Suns(H) and the Power.

Voss didn't inherited a full rebuild list, he inherited a list which very underachieve to a point everyone made fun of their lack of Final series given their list. Nicks is being judged this year and right now he is a very shit, he made a lot of shit decisions last year which arguably cost us Finals but the decision to completely change to a very ineffective game plan is a lot worst and might be what cost him in the end. I have no doubt he sold this to the club and told them to expect some "pain" as the playing group get used to this defensive game plan but the last 3 games has been beyond "pain", they've been playing like 2020.

 

[ABAB]

Credible performances in close losses aren't a positive if there are 9 of them and we were in a winning position in half of them. It is indicative of a mental weakness, one backed up by our terrible away record.

The last close game against a strong opponent where the Crows won was Melbourne in 2021.

But it shows improvement and sign we weren't that far off playing Finals. Did you expect us to even challenge for Finals last year? No you didn't, the positive is you saw gradual improvement from the previous year and for the youngsters to gain more experience so they can win them when in similar position.

 

[Pugsley]

"Good after a win!" from Robbo as they cut to the break there.

Nicks, if nothing else, knows how to play the media like a fiddle.

He can't coach so he needs to know how to do something.

 

[Sanders]

And Burns who is now the new ball movement coach

Maybe he was the old one?

 

[Sanders]

No it hasn't .....his team development to this point has been consistent .....up & down, like any young side ....however on the win /loss register, it's been year-on-year improvement

The situation of Voss last year, is the reference comparison to how Nicks handles a similar poor vein of form ......sorry if that's all too logical, and I'm not throwing a tanty

FFS

The situation of Voss last year was analogous to Nicks last year

Jesus

 

[El Doederino]

However, it's 3 games .....IIRC we were as bad in the first two games of 2023

Nope. Both round 1 & 2 losses last year were frustrating because for the majority of those games, we were clearly the better team.

In neither of our 3 losses this year at any point could you say we were better than our opponents.

 

[El Doederino]

So after the usual Dorothy Dixer questions from Gerard/Robbo, here's my notes from what Nicks said-

-In a dark spot but never as bad as your are or as good as you are
-Just a few things need to be tweaked, no need for wholesale changes
-players/leaders disappointed, the next wave of leaders were good last year, backing them in this year
-Club getting around Milera
-(in response to a question after his contract extension) Not just about me, have lots of good people at the club all working hard
-(RE Gather round), great thing for the state and might help spark us, we love to be in prime time


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On the first point, I hate that saying. Nicks has said it a few times now. It means nothing except gives you an out when getting criticized. Sorry, we are that bad now. And it’s showing.

On point 3 re the next wave of leaders, I read online he said players were stepping up last year and he specifically named McHenry. Please don’t tell me he named McHenry. Bloke was a sub. That’s not what where we want out stepping up leaders to play!

 

[Crowboto]

What does the club do if we are 0-7, 0-8 ?
How are they going to spin that ?

A darker spot than he first thought.

 

[El Doederino]

A darker spot than he first thought.

But never as dark as people think