What excuse? I was expecting to finish more close to the bottom half then the top half of the bottom 8 and then likely bottom 2 just like they were expecting when the pandemic occurred with the training restriction. Looking at the experience players Nicks played in the first half of 2020, a lot of them were cooked and probably why you expected we were better but Talia, Brown and Gibbs all retired, Lynch was cooked and Seedsman eventually retired.
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Opinion Matthew Nicks: Adelaide's Coach (Part 3) - The Biggest Loser
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Can we give Nicks a farewell home game this week...
Essendon had time. 50 seconds and they had 2 shots at goal.
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"We change game plans to protect the lead"
One of the many reasons he's so shit. When you have momentum why tf would you wanna start defending even more.
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Yep, I think it was similar vs Carlton.
We gave them opportunities to win in the last 90 secs.
Our planning/structures for the last couple of minutes in close games is horrendous.
It's not luck our record in these close games is so poor, its due to our inept coaches.
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Yes but clearly the argument is a new coach in a total rebuild NEEDS much more time initially - relative to an existing playing group and established coach - installing a new game plan, getting buy in from players, learning about players weakness and strength.
Not hard to rationalise CV adversely impacting a team like us much more than others on a relative basis.
Linear improvement including a surprisingly good year last year.
Before it turned to shit this year.
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But cutting many Senior players AND bringing in a new coach (establishing game plan etc) is the combination that impacted.
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Did you click on the article?
A few days prior to the start of the 2020 season revamp, foxfooty.com.au asked 10 experts to predict what the AFL ladder would look like come Round 17.
All 10 pundits had the Adelaide Crows in their bottom-two teams.
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Cmon George you are better than that. Abab states a fact as per article. You dispute it and ask for a source. He then references the article and then you without acknowledging he had it right you go off on a tangent to try and deflect away. Just own up to errors old mate.
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Yeah, I had a peak last night, the words basic football knowledge brought it all back for me and on it goes again
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Nothing justifies a 0-13 start although the Pandemic unquestionably impacted us more than most other sides given new coach, new game plan, large list turnover
If you read the article - the journalist isn’t at all surprised how bad we were. But the highlight!
“Adelaide now have 7 players taken in the first round of the draft under 23 that need to take this club forward for the next 10 years”
The list of elite talent Nicks had at his disposal to rebuild our club
Gallucci
McHenry
Jones
McAsey
Doedee (did 1 or 2 knees through this period?)
Milera - injured for all of 2020,2021
Fogarty - has developed nicely, at typical rate for a KPF
That’s what Nicks had to work with for young talent.
Now since then - last few years - we have drafted really well on the whole and the list is in a much better position
But as the article and ABAB highlighted we lost 11 senior players over 2 seasons in 2019,2020 having already lost our 3 best young players in McGovern, Cameron and Lever over the previous 2 seasons
So he was starting with one of the very worst foundations of all time for this rebuild. That’s just indisputable. He definitely isn’t a super coach and has made plenty of errors but I think the reason the club has shown faith in him was they know the absolute disgrace the list was in as he turned it over
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We turned over more players at the end of 2020 but there’s no excusing 2020, have a look a the side we had and there was no way it warranted 0-13 and the wooden spoon. Facts are we had too many senior players not play well, why? Were they all out of form at the same time or did coaching have something to do with it?
Roo was on record during 2020 they didn’t expect to be that, it’s because we shouldn’t have been.
Nicks gets off way to easily for 2020 and one of the reasons we cut much deeper at the end of 2020 was because of where we finished, it allowed us to go hard at the rebuild.
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Add to that most the replacements to these players were younger, more inexperienced or didnt even have an AFL body or fitness base.
One of our biggest issues is depth. We lose TT and we replace with a barely AFL standard Himmelberg. We lose Rankine and have McHenry or Murphy to call upon. We lose Murray and in comes Borlase. The next tier on our list wouldn't be the depth at other clubs. They would likely already be gone.
Have 7 or 8 players from the best 22 out, we can't cover it with any level of quality. Last year we really had a lucky run with injuries.
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Nothing justifies a spoon. No one can deny the writing wasn't on the wall 12 months prior though with how the club was tracking and the list demographic.
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Clearly some of the players didn’t like him (or what he was asking them to do) and that stood out in footage with Atkins and B Crouch from memory - and both left the club soon after
So no doubt that made a bad situation worse.
One think I have said before about Nicks though with you - the first time he had a decent team (still far too inexperienced but had a decent amount of talent) was last year and he should have played finals.
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I thought Crouch was moved on
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I actually think there is even a better reason.
The season was abandoned after the first round due to Covid-19 and we never knew when it was coming back. Nicks being the good bloke coach probably didn’t instil levels of fitness required during the break and so when the players came back, we returned in probably the worst physical conditioning of all the footy sides. Everyone wants to make excuses because first time coach, game plan but I believe this was a major reason.
It is no coincidence that we improved in the back end of the season as our fitness levels probably improved.
Now lets now consider that we believe Burgess has improved our overall fitness levels. Since Burgess left Melbourne it is a shadow of its 2018-2021 form, how we would be placed now with similar reduction with lower fitness levels?
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Was that the year the Tex v Charlie photo came out?
Watching that show that was on Amazon it also seemed like a lot of our players didn't understand what Nicks was asking for until Sloane told them to start taking notes during team meetings and studying more in their own time.
That infamous footage from the game against North where they were moving Gatorade bottles on the floor because the players didn't know where they were supposed to be as an example.
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