Rumour McGovern wants out, hates us now and wants us to BURN IN HELL!!!1!!!11!

[Mike Smyth]

I know, I Know..then you went to Jail

Had too many bourbons, got greedy and lost the bloody lot. Wife left me........

 

[Roovolution]

13 minute mark, so now we can add the players are off the coach too according to the Victorian campaigners Ralph and Bartel

http://16673.mc.tritondigital.com/W.../d233dd-super-footy-podcast-round-13-2018.mp3

It’s really just open season on us and these campaigners are never held to account so they can just tee off on us.

 

[SellarStardom]

It might depend on who is spreading the rumour. If it was a family member or something would explain a few things
Other suspects:
Rooch
Lever

Rooch is my bet. Close friend had the dinner, there has been angst with CM and injuries and the season overall, like a normal workplace according to the player. It jasn't been all smiles and giggles but it was argued the entire club is upset as to the season overall.

The false reporting is that everyone wants to leave. That part has been denied and only time will tell if the players comments were true.

 

[Mike Smyth]

It’s really just open season on us and these campaigners are never held to account so they can just tee off on us.

Unfortunately while they are having a go at us no one is mentoring the inequalities of their VFL competition.

 

[Roovolution]

Why hasn’t the AFLPA received a complaint? If the allegations are true there are traumatised players not being treated properly. They should be all over this. So why aren’t they?

 

[ManInTheArena]

Why hasn’t the AFLPA received a complaint? If the allegations are true there are traumatised players not being treated properly. They should be all over this. So why aren’t they?

Because no one's traumatised.

 

[Scorpus]

Why hasn’t the AFLPA received a complaint? If the allegations are true there are traumatised players not being treated properly. They should be all over this. So why aren’t they?

Either they aren't traumatized, or they spoke to the AFLPA in private

 

[MRB37]

Either they aren't traumatized, or they spoke to the AFLPA in private

Can or would the AFLPA even publicly comment if they had received a complaint?

 

[Malifice]

I know they're not qualified psychologists or psychiatrists. I know we confirmed some players didn't like some aspects of the last camp.

Im no expert, but different people have different personality types. Jeff from HR can tell you that. Different personality types react differently to different stimuli. A pat on the back might work wonders for someone, but a different bloke might work better with a kick up the arse. Some people thrive in adversity. Some blokes don't. Everyone is different, and different things work differently for different people.

You get 44 blokes in a room and you're going to have several different personality types, probably a few of those blokes will have things like anxiety, depression, an autistic spectrum disorder, sociopathy or an antisocial personality disorder or similar quirks.

Every footy club (shit every organisation) has a weird unit, a bloke that's an arrogant self absorbed knob (likely a sociopath), a bloke that's shy and/or withdrawn, alpha types and so forth.

A bloke with anxiety is going to react a hell of a lot differently to being isolated in the bush than will an alpha type. A sociopath isn't going to be too fussed by the suffering of others. And so forth.

You cant subject 40 different personalities to the same set of stressors and expect a uniform result. Ideally you want to tailor a psychological program for each individual player taking into account his personality type.

I'm not surprised that some players didn't like aspects of the camp, and some are reported to have found it distressing.

Again, I am no expert, but that just kind of screams common sense to me.

 

[KPWorld]

Direct from a senior player this week over dinner and drinks, the McGovern out and other rumours are an active anti Crows campaign. The club and players know who is spreading the rumours and its a case of sour grapes.

Can anyone think of a person with media links who has been anti Crows?

According to player Mitch is going no where

Michelangelo Ricci, who blames the crows for losing his position at the advertiser, works for CROCMEDIA. So does sam mcclure, damien barret, craig hutchingson, kane cornes and caroline wilson. All the "journalists" that have come out with negative stories about the crows since the grand final.

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[Scorpus]

Can or would the AFLPA even publicly comment if they had received a complaint?

Not unless the player was happy to make it public

 

[feenix67]

Because no one's traumatised.

Surely the union wouldn't air workplace grievances publicly

 

[Rotayjay]

Just for posterity:

Originally posted by Jenkins4:

Not sure where this can go but I’ll add to this threat.

I’d like to think I am not part of the “everything is peachy and smelling like roses” group where the club can not do anything wrong but I’m not sitting in the burn the club down brigade either and start again group either. I’m sitting somewhere in the middle but Brett Burton must go ASAP.

This is terrifying someone has this contract within the 4 walls of the club.

But I was talking to a family member of a current player and this is the information I received was...

• Up to 8 players will seek a trade at the end of the season.
• Brad Crouch: in January this year, his manager got in touch with Simon Black on how to deal with his current groin injury. He had same injury during his playing days. His advice was to have surgery right away and he will be back playing by the bye but Brett Burton said NO. During a meeting about 2 months ago, he said under no circumstances was he (Brad) going to have any surgery and just needed to wait. Up to this day, he is still against it. During this meeting, Brad Crouch had to be pull off Brett Burton as he was going to king hit him. He told the club to “go and get ******” and had the surgery against the advice of the club. Will ask for a trade. Watch this space.
• If as expected Brad goes, Matt Crouch will not be far behind.
• Riley Knight: He is a 4th year player. When the first year to fourth year players returned to pre season training last year, he was forced to do every session. As we now know, he had an ankle and hamstring injury. He returned in round 2 or 3 and was given medical advice to be on a restricted program, was told to only play 80% of game time and have a 60% training program. Brett Burton insisted he play over 90% of game time due to the growing injury list and he must do 100% training. His hamstring tendonitis flailed up and he has not been seen since. Every chance he doesn’t play this year. Will ask for a trade.
• Mitch McGovern rumour is 100% correct. Was forced to say over and over again his dad’s was a bad parent and his football career neglected him and Jeremy when they were kids and his football career was a waste of time. Will ask for a trade.
• They were told to start lifting way too heavy weights from day 1 of pre season, no wonder hamstrings are pinging off the bones.
• Will try and get some information on the Collective Minds stuff but neglected to ask as I was left flabbergasted by the Brad Crouch news.

If the rumours above are true, Burton sounds like a complete loose cannon and must be cut loose ASAP.

If true, this club could be scarred for ten or twenty years.

 

[El Doederino]

Just for posterity:

Originally posted by Jenkins4:

Not sure where this can go but I’ll add to this threat.

I’d like to think I am not part of the “everything is peachy and smelling like roses” group where the club can not do anything wrong but I’m not sitting in the burn the club down brigade either and start again group either. I’m sitting somewhere in the middle but Brett Burton must go ASAP.

This is terrifying someone has this contract within the 4 walls of the club.

But I was talking to a family member of a current player and this is the information I received was...

• Up to 8 players will seek a trade at the end of the season.
• Brad Crouch: in January this year, his manager got in touch with Simon Black on how to deal with his current groin injury. He had same injury during his playing days. His advice was to have surgery right away and he will be back playing by the bye but Brett Burton said NO. During a meeting about 2 months ago, he said under no circumstances was he (Brad) going to have any surgery and just needed to wait. Up to this day, he is still against it. During this meeting, Brad Crouch had to be pull off Brett Burton as he was going to king hit him. He told the club to “go and get ******” and had the surgery against the advice of the club. Will ask for a trade. Watch this space.
• If as expected Brad goes, Matt Crouch will not be far behind.
• Riley Knight: He is a 4th year player. When the first year to fourth year players returned to pre season training last year, he was forced to do every session. As we now know, he had an ankle and hamstring injury. He returned in round 2 or 3 and was given medical advice to be on a restricted program, was told to only play 80% of game time and have a 60% training program. Brett Burton insisted he play over 90% of game time due to the growing injury list and he must do 100% training. His hamstring tendonitis flailed up and he has not been seen since. Every chance he doesn’t play this year. Will ask for a trade.
• Mitch McGovern rumour is 100% correct. Was forced to say over and over again his dad’s was a bad parent and his football career neglected him and Jeremy when they were kids and his football career was a waste of time. Will ask for a trade.
• They were told to start lifting way too heavy weights from day 1 of pre season, no wonder hamstrings are pinging off the bones.
• Will try and get some information on the Collective Minds stuff but neglected to ask as I was left flabbergasted by the Brad Crouch news.

If the rumours above are true, Burton sounds like a complete loose cannon and must be cut loose ASAP.

It’s not true

 

[Redleg Crow]

Christ this board is depressing at the moment. Bloody footy. Why do I my emotions have to be so damn tied to it!

 

[mistylake]

You know that BigFooty posters could run the club better, I'll say that again, BIGFOOTY posters?

You're like some union officials and employees that think they know how to run a company but would actually completely destroy it in less than 6 months.

BigFooty is a joke to the club, and it's because 80% of the posts and demands are completely ridiculous.

Something like allowing the Greens run a country.
Turnip soup anyone.

 

[jenny61_99]

I don't actually.see how it was relevant.

It’s like me saying I have been quite involved in corporate training - not just attending but designing and running them. It just means we might have a better understanding of usual practice within these scenarios.

 

[GreyCrow]

But suddenly Ricciuto was coming in from outside to save the club. Players had gone to him, we were heading for serious problems etc. The truth that eventually emerged was terrible. None of it had made it into the public domain, bar a few unsubstantiated whispers.

Yeah I cant recall too much going on. There was some whispering about 'lost the players' but only minor. Its odd that for a club that 'stopped the leaks'' seems to be leaking like a sieve at the moment . Seems to be

Michelangelo Ricci, who blames the crows for losing his position at the advertiser, works for CROCMEDIA. So does sam mcclure, damien barret, craig hutchingson, kane cornes and caroline wilson. All the "journalists" that have come out with negative stories about the crows since the grand final.

And this is the other side of the conspiracy. Not sure why you put journalists in quotation marks. Apart from Firefighter they all are. Did they all sit down sipping frappes on a Sunday afternoon and had directives to start slagging off the club?

 

[jenny61_99]

You're intentionally misrepresenting the feeling of the board to make a misguided point.

I don’t think so. I think it has been quite hysterical.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Startup concessions/a deal too goo to be true, home factor, more money, family - have been the excuses over the last 7 years the apologists have used to explain the loss of quality talent. However, if McGovern leaves they will have to admit our shitty culture would be 100% the reason why he walked.

 

[AFC3000]

Michelangelo Ricci, who blames the crows for losing his position at the advertiser, works for CROCMEDIA. So does sam mcclure, damien barret, craig hutchingson, kane cornes and caroline wilson. All the "journalists" that have come out with negative stories about the crows since the grand final.

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Regardless of what is and isn't true, I don't think it's a coincidence that it all comes out of Crocmedia. They've turned footy reporting into something closer to Womens Day (think the Lleyton Hewitt coverage going back a few years).

They are involved in most of the Footy media, from SEN to Classified, all of the Sunday panel shows on 9, Sports Day etc you would struggle to find one tv or radio show or newspaper that doesn't have something to do with CrocMedia.

Whats the one thing they need? content, but the onfield stuff just isn't that interesting.

They definitely sensationalize things and whether it's intentional or not, when one of them says something, then another, and another it adds credibility to a story and blows it up, even though the source is essentially the same. One plants the seed, then another chimes in somewhere else with another tidbit and so the story grows. Whenever they are used as sources it's never "CrocMedia's Tom Morris" or "SEN's Sam McClure" it's "Fox Sports Tom Morris" or "The Age's Sam McClure" which just ads more weight to the story.

And they all do guest radio spots, and write columns in newspapers and whatever else using the same content.

 

[douglyzia]

Direct from a senior player this week over dinner and drinks, the McGovern out and other rumours are an active anti Crows campaign. The club and players know who is spreading the rumours and its a case of sour grapes.

Can anyone think of a person with media links who has been anti Crows?

According to player Mitch is going no where

Why didn't you ask the senior player who it was?

 

[Squiba]

He'd prob be a star by now if drafted by a team like yours, hawthorn, Sydney etc

We wouldn't be the best no, but I think he could improve with us more than staying at saints.

If he was with us, he'd probably not have a functioning hamstring at this Rate anyway haha.

I see what you're saying, just assumed Carlton would be looking for more experienced, leadership qualities than what Billings has to offer

 

[douglyzia]

The biggest problem I have with this claim about Mitch McGovern that has been written above is that the camp was at the start of this year.. if this is true and he was forced to say this over and over then he would rightly be pissed about it and rightly still be pissed about it now...

But just over a month ago when interviewed he said;

“He cheekily said he would love to make it a McGovern double act at West Lakes.
"It would be very nice to play with him," Mitch said.
"I've been in his ear, but I'm not too sure what he's going to do."

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-07/brother-a-smart-man-in-holding-off-on-signature#/

Doesn’t sound like something someone that hates the club and the camp at the start of the year would say... in fact he said he’s been in his brothers ear trying to encourage him to come to West lakes..

Would you really be jovially saying stuff like this if you were unhappy and wanted out?... you’d flat out say “nah, I doubt he’ll be coming to adelaide” if you were that pissed off with the club and wanting out yourself..

We went over all this with Lever and Dangerfield.

"If he was leaving, would he do this? Would he do that?"

And they still left.

 

[mistylake]

Agree with all of this except the last sentence. The AFC has to be bigger than that . Supporters are passionate and a club ( or business) that treats supporters ( or customers) with contempt is always on the wrong track. Big footy , like any forum , will be made up of a broad spectrum of supporters. The afc does not work hard enough to take seriously the concerns raised here which leads to much of the rumour mill. You would know as a ceo that you must treat your key stakeholders with respect regardless....I speak as a cfo of a $40 million business.

I have occasionally had AFC Facebook page pop up on my feed. When I flick through the comments it’s pretty clear that whatever is the feeling here, is fairly well mirrored on other social media.
I find there are a lot more, of the “trust the club no matter what types, on their Facebook page but there are plenty of others, who’ve heard this and that and they are not all BigFooty users. This questioning of AFC is in Vic and SA media, different social media platforms etc.
Whatever’s has happened, wether it is true or just rubbish, it is now at a level where serious damage is probably being caused to the clubs reputation.