News Media Thread, 2023: Insightful, Inciteful and Incomptent

[the harry]

Just saw the clip you're referring to.

McChins talking about the Federal Court and possible restraint of trade.

Apart from the obvious, what's to stop a player doing it for 2 years now?

Perhaps Miguel can jump in and help on this one.

"Restraint of trade" talk is so silly when there is a draft and minimum contract lengths already.

While there might be a tipping point, moving from 2 to 3 is not it.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Just saw the clip you're referring to.

McChins talking about the Federal Court and possible restraint of trade.

Apart from the obvious, what's to stop a player doing it for 2 years now?

Basically, the fact that the AFLPA supports it and put in the bargaining agreement, so a player challenging it would be bearing the cost of a challenge on his own.

 

[Cuzz09]

If we draft Reid and get embraces the club the Vic media will turn on him.

Watch for negative articles as soon as he shows anything but Judd like games.

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[Big_Birdy]

If it got challenged the whole draft either gets canned or 3 years remains.

It isnt getting to a court and the court saying 2 years isn’t restraint but 3 is.

There are other factors at play but no way they come to the above decision outside of those other factors, unless the act explicitly states a time period of two years will not amount to a restraint (it doesn’t by the way).

 

[ziad]

If it got challenged the whole draft either gets canned or 3 years remains.

It isnt getting to a court and the court saying 2 years isn’t restraint but 3 is.

There are other factors at play but no way they come to the above decision outside of those other factors, unless the act explicitly states a time period of two years will not amount to a restraint (it doesn’t by the way).

why it cannot go to court - all clubs understand this.

 

[Tugga27]

The "experts" at Fox think we're just starting out rebuild this year.
OK.........

WEST COAST EAGLES

All eyes are on whether the Eagles do indeed part with Pick 1. The expectation is powerful 185cm Bendigo Pioneers product Harley Reid will be taken with this year’s first draft pick – it’s just a matter of which team will hold the selection.

Rival clubs believe the Eagles would be prepared to part with Pick 1 if they could still guarantee they could get star 195cm local product Daniel Curtin, who’s expected to be selected very early. While many teams have tried – and will try – to make a play for the pick, North Melbourne (Picks 2 and 17 – and possibly Pick 3, pending compensation for losing free agent Ben McKay

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) is regarded as the only genuine suitor.

An Eagles-Roos deal for Pick 1 would give West Coast more draft selections to help accelerate its rebuild, which is really starting from ground zero this year. From a ready-made player perspective, the Eagles have reportedly offered Lions midfielder Devon Robertson a four-year contract. Fringe Hawk Tyler Brockman seems WA-bound – it just depends on whether he joints the Dockers or Eagles, although it’s widely expected he’ll be at the latter in 2024 — while they’re also eyeing Giants ruck Matt Flynn.

 

[bzparkes]

The "experts" at Fox think we're just starting out rebuild this year.
OK.........

WEST COAST EAGLES

All eyes are on whether the Eagles do indeed part with Pick 1. The expectation is powerful 185cm Bendigo Pioneers product Harley Reid will be taken with this year’s first draft pick – it’s just a matter of which team will hold the selection.

Rival clubs believe the Eagles would be prepared to part with Pick 1 if they could still guarantee they could get star 195cm local product Daniel Curtin, who’s expected to be selected very early. While many teams have tried – and will try – to make a play for the pick, North Melbourne (Picks 2 and 17 – and possibly Pick 3, pending compensation for losing free agent Ben McKay) is regarded as the only genuine suitor.

An Eagles-Roos deal for Pick 1 would give West Coast more draft selections to help accelerate its rebuild, which is really starting from ground zero this year. From a ready-made player perspective, the Eagles have reportedly offered Lions midfielder Devon Robertson a four-year contract. Fringe Hawk Tyler Brockman seems WA-bound – it just depends on whether he joints the Dockers or Eagles, although it’s widely expected he’ll be at the latter in 2024 — while they’re also eyeing Giants ruck Matt Flynn.

2 years of full drafts + Tyler Brockman has already requested a trade to WCE.

Did they write this 3 weeks ago?

 

[Ghossein]

which is really starting from ground zero this year.

huh???

 

[Chris_6678]

huh???

+ Bazzo

 

[ConcreteWaters]

Similarly you never hear anything about Jeremy Howe getting caught absolute dead to rights holding the ball not once but twice in our goal square in the last quarter of our premiership without a whistle blown, only "Maynard was blocked" by the east coast flogs.

While I'm at it, after the siren, I'm sure I never heard how courageous it was to not only come back from 5 goals down but to do it on the opposition's teams home deck after travelling four times as much of them that year.

Just: Maynard was blocked oooh this may be controversial.

Not to mention the 50m penalty for entering the protected zone not paid at the start of the famous chain!

 

[Coasters7]

Similarly you never hear anything about Jeremy Howe getting caught absolute dead to rights holding the ball not once but twice in our goal square in the last quarter of our premiership without a whistle blown, only "Maynard was blocked" by the east coast flogs.

While I'm at it, after the siren, I'm sure I never heard how courageous it was to not only come back from 5 goals down but to do it on the opposition's teams home deck after travelling four times as much of them that year.

Just: Maynard was blocked oooh this may be controversial.

I still get pissed off every time I rewatch that coverage. The minute the siren went it flicked straight to Buckley with his head in his hands and not to see the reaction of the winning coach. That along with the things you mentioned made it clear to see the narrative was “Collingwood lost and were robbed” rather than anyone winning

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Basically, the fact that the AFLPA supports it and put in the bargaining agreement, so a player challenging it would be bearing the cost of a challenge on his own.

Also, aren't they all employees of the AFL. Hard to argue restraint of trade when you employer doesn't change regardless of the team you play for. It's not dissimilar to you work for Morgan Stanley and the boss calls you in one day and says I want you to head up the Hong Kong office. You say no thanks and he says I'm not asking. You either take the promotion in Hong Kong or find a new company to work for.

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[Miguel Sanchez]

Also, aren't they all employees of the AFL.

No. They’re employed by the club.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Also, aren't they all employees of the AFL. Hard to argue restraint of trade when you employer doesn't change regardless of the team you play for. It's not dissimilar to you work for Morgan Stanley and the boss calls you in one day and says I want you to head up the Hong Kong office. You say no thanks and he says I'm not asking. You either take the promotion in Hong Kong or find a new company to work for.

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As Miguel said, employed by the club. Would be a very interesting court case if someone wanted to challenge the draft. Very real chance they win. But that’s a lot of money and why would an 18 year old bother when they are about to be in good coin anyway and can just ask for a trade.

 

[Doashuey]

Not to mention the 50m penalty for entering the protected zone not paid at the start of the famous chain!

The one i never hear people talk about was the non 50m after Ryans mark. Langdon grabbed the ball and dragged it under himself and Ryan had to wrench it off him.

 

[Eaglemaniac]

I know he was only narrating, but why have Garry Lyon saying "Premiership glory is forever"?

How the fcuk would he know?

He dates premiership players wives and they tell him what it’s like.

 

[Bender_]

He dates premiership players wives and they tell him what it’s like.

Well, maybe not in Billy's case.

 

[ROO DOGG]

If it got challenged the whole draft either gets canned or 3 years remains.

It isnt getting to a court and the court saying 2 years isn’t restraint but 3 is.

There are other factors at play but no way they come to the above decision outside of those other factors, unless the act explicitly states a time period of two years will not amount to a restraint (it doesn’t by the way).

Players will just have to sign that they agree to the terms of the draft or they won't be eligible. Simples.

 

[Boohemian]

Well, maybe not in Billy's case.

Played in Grandies, so it's a hell of a lot closer than Gaz ever did.

 

[UseR2006]

I can imagine the court case now...

Court: So let me get this straight, The Club can still trade you..
Player: Yes
Court: You can still request a trade during those 3 years
Player: Yes
Court: There is nothing preventing another club from making an offer for your current club to release you?
Player: Nope.

Court: Tell me how it's restraint of trade again?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I can imagine the court case now...

Court: So let me get this straight, The Club can still trade you..
Player: Yes
Court: You can still request a trade during those 3 years
Player: Yes
Court: There is nothing preventing another club from making an offer for your current club to release you?
Player: Nope.

Court: Tell me how it's restraint of trade again?

There’s nothing preventing the current club from not releasing you.

Also, when you join the industry you get no say in who initially employs you. That doesn’t happen in other industries. Imagine the top-ranked medical student at UWA graduating and getting told he has to go work for the Geelong district hospital because they were the lowest-ranked hospital that year so they get first pick.

 

[UseR2006]

There’s nothing preventing the current club from not releasing you.

Also, when you join the industry you get no say in who initially employs you. That doesn’t happen in other industries. Imagine the top-ranked medical student at UWA graduating and getting told he has to go work for the Geelong district hospital because they were the lowest-ranked hospital that year so they get first pick.

how is that any different from draftees now?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

how is that any different from draftees now?

The existing restraint, which is actually a restraint even if you think it's not, will last 50 per cent longer than it currently does.

 

[Rowan18]

If Chick's smother was done by a Vic club player it'd be much bigger moment recognised. It rarely gets shown. Time of game, closeness of game and result surely ranks it higher. Shaw's smother was in a replay the team won by 10 goals.

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Not to mention some of the game saving marks by Waters and Embley in the dying minutes. Instead we had to suffer endless replays of Leo Barry for years (with Sampi obviously being held in the background)

 

[Rowan18]

The one i never hear people talk about was the non 50m after Ryans mark. Langdon grabbed the ball and dragged it under himself and Ryan had to wrench it off him.

I love that moment, Langdon has a sook that it got taken away and then realises he hasn't manned the mark and Ryan is already off.