News Media Thread, 2023: Insightful, Inciteful and Incomptent

[CountryLad]

Said it the other day. It’s whinging for the sake of whinging and deflection.. on one hand they are saying they made the extra flight to and from Adelaide as it’s better for the players but they are also sooking about the extra flights back and forth…

The eagles chose to do it the way they have.. own it. You can’t have it both ways.

West Coast as a club are really poor in the way we deal with the VIC media. No strategy just little rabbits staring into the headlights.

Power and Crows do it so much better even to the point they have Cornes and Ricciuto as club mouth pieces in the Media.

 

[WCEforeverman]

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Dermie always comes across as wanting to see players reach their potential imo. He is always talking up kids and getting excited when they do well.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I have no issue with the request, I just think the timing and public nature of the comments (assuming the club intended them to be?) was a bit silly.

I really like Matty Lloyd in the media.

 

[Goroyals22]

I have no issue with the request, I just think the timing and public nature of the comments (assuming the club intended them to be?) was a bit silly.

I really like Matty Lloyd in the media.

Given Barrett something for sliding doors this week


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[Keys]

I have no issue with the request, I just think the timing and public nature of the comments (assuming the club intended them to be?) was a bit silly.

I really like Matty Lloyd in the media.

Should have discussed it with Freo first and made the request jointly rather than stick our head over the parapet alone

Disclaimer- assuming that Freo didn’t tell us to go away and instead watch us take the shot to the head whilst knowing if we actually succeeded they’d then be able to jump on our coattails

 

[bzparkes]

They are talking about Darren Burgess atm on footy classified

Pretty much every club he has been affiliated with have been the fittest clubs in the AFL ️
Crows, since he took over, have sustained no major injuries in 2023 ️

"Luck"

What's your point exactly?

 

[Ochre]

Footy classified having a go at Nissy and Co




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Find it hard to argue with any of that tbh

 

[Farang83150]

Tim English the top rated player in the comp at the mo

 

[The wily weagle]

What's your point exactly?

Burgess is the overseer of the crows current program

At present, they have sustained zero major injuries

He has also, consistently, produced the fittest teams in the AFL under his watch

On part of our boards, such success would be rationalised as simply "good luck"

But in reality he is the best fitness boss in the AFL (and quite possibly in all of Australian sport) and this degree of fitness and simultaneous lack of injury in his teams isn't a fluke or an accident. It's the result of an elite, well educated individual running an elite, well run program

I have had the pleasure of meeting Darren, and what i would not give for our club to approach him with an open chequebook to head up our high performance program

Believe me, a lot our of "bad luck" would end pretty quickly under his watch

 

[bzparkes]

Burgess is the overseer of the crows current program

At present, they have sustained zero major injuries

He has also, consistently, produced the fittest teams in the AFL under his watch

On part of our boards, such success would be rationalised as simply "good luck"

But in reality he is the best fitness boss in the AFL (and quite possibly in all of Australian sport) and this degree of fitness and simultaneous lack of injury in his teams isn't a fluke or an accident. It's the result of an elite, well educated individual running an elite, well run program

I have had the pleasure of meeting Darren, and what i would not give for our club to approach him with an open chequebook to head up our high performance program

Believe me, a lot our of "bad luck" would end pretty quickly under his watch

Not that I disagree with what you've said re: Burgess however he only wanted to go to SA and was not an option.

We've replaced our S&C coach with Mark Kilgallon, who was Sydney's S&C coach up until 2021.

Players returned fitter than ever this year and we didn't have much of an injury list until the injuries vs Freo, which cascaded down and the additional workload for the fit players required to play additional minutes they otherwise normally wouldn't have played, which then added additional pressure and lead to these soft tissue injuries.

Player are fit, that's not the problem. It'll also take at least another pre-season for the new program to be able to be judged.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Tim English the top rated player in the comp at the mo

That's ok. Sign NicNat for another two years and have him sit on the injury list for 90% of it

 

[Keys]

Burgess is the overseer of the crows current program

At present, they have sustained zero major injuries

He has also, consistently, produced the fittest teams in the AFL under his watch

On part of our boards, such success would be rationalised as simply "good luck"

But in reality he is the best fitness boss in the AFL (and quite possibly in all of Australian sport) and this degree of fitness and simultaneous lack of injury in his teams isn't a fluke or an accident. It's the result of an elite, well educated individual running an elite, well run program

I have had the pleasure of meeting Darren, and what i would not give for our club to approach him with an open chequebook to head up our high performance program

Believe me, a lot our of "bad luck" would end pretty quickly under his watch

I doubt there’s a single poster on our board who wouldn’t be elated if Burgess joined our club. As you say he has an outstanding track record that’s indisputable

Two points though :
1) Have a look at Melbourne’s injury record in 2020 (his first year) - it wasn’t great as players adjusted to his new regime. (I’m hopeful, with no evidence, that our current woes may be a similar adjustment to Kilgallon’s methods- I do have no basis for this, it’s a guess). Adelaide were not exactly injury free last year so there is a pattern with Burgess of sorts

2) I’m not diminishing what Burgess has done but there is an element of luck with their total absence of injuries. No matter how fit a team is impact injuries are a possibility, that they’ve avoided any so far is as much good luck as anything else

 

[Farang83150]

That's the kiss of death given to the Crows re injuries!

 

[kane249]

After being all around the world for a long time (Arsenal, Liverpool etc) Burgess wanted to move home to South Australia, it was never about money for him otherwise he would have stayed at Melbourne.

 

[ziad]

Not that I disagree with what you've said re: Burgess however he only wanted to go to SA and was not an option.

We've replaced our S&C coach with Mark Kilgallon, who was Sydney's S&C coach up until 2021.

Players returned fitter than ever this year and we didn't have much of an injury list until the injuries vs Freo, which cascaded down and the additional workload for the fit players required to play additional minutes they otherwise normally wouldn't have played, which then added additional pressure and lead to these soft tissue injuries.

Player are fit, that's not the problem. It'll also take at least another pre-season for the new program to be able to be judged.

Burgess was with the Swans at their best prior to going OS. Not saying Kilgallon isnt a good pick.

 

[Kapowie1]

Soft tissue

Another Bomber heads for the showers, writes Jared Lynch.

amp.theage.com.au

I would urge everyone to have a read of the posted article. Unfortunately what we are experiencing is a drastic change in program dealing with our obvious lack of fitness last season.

Killa has come in this year and looks to have changed the program majorly.

What we are experiencing isn’t new as other clubs have previously seen the same spate of injuries.

The good news is, things turned out great for that Essendon squad and they really hit their straps under the weapon Robinson and a guy called Dank.

The only way is up for us


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[Keys]

Burgess was with the Swans at their best prior to going OS. Not saying Kilgallon isnt a good pick.

Had a look at Burgess’ LinkedIn profile etc to see when he was at Sydney. It’s not on LinkedIn but going through google he was at Sydney prior to joining Port Adelaide in October 2004.

It was at Port that he first gained attention before stints at Liverpool, the Socceroos, back to Port, Arsenal, Melbourne and now Adelaide

Hard to know what control over the Sydney program he would have had but it was early in his career

What is interesting is it looks like Sydney was his first job after graduating so maybe getting a uni graduate isn’t as silly as it sounds- odds that you’d find the next nation leading sports physio would be high though

 

[DickDunn]

Dermie always comes across as wanting to see players reach their potential imo. He is always talking up kids and getting excited when they do well.

Enjoy Derm’s commentary for this exact reason. Him and Gerard Healy also tend to be far more interested and knowledgeable about our young and emerging players than the rest

 

[Truckosaurus]

Enjoy Derm’s commentary for this exact reason. Him and Gerard Healy also tend to be far more interested and knowledgeable about our young and emerging players than the rest

You get the sense that they watch games other than the ones they're rostered on to.

 

[The wily weagle]

Head hunting the best graduate students, from medicine, physiotherapy, exercise physiology etc would be ideal IMO

Give some young, hungry, elite graduates the opportunity to cut their teeth and forge their professional reputations with one of Australias best sporting organizations (us)

The problem with us, as an organization, is that we are permeated with "comfort" and "stability". Nobody is in a hurry to make wholesale changes from a board level down because everyone is happy and comfortable with the status quo. The club is making money, people have been there a while, and nobody wants to rock the boat. But as one of my mentors used to say, "Comfort, seldom breeds excellence"

Kofoed himself has been with the eagles now, what, the better part of 2 decades? Nesbitt for over 20 years which IMO is irresponsible corporate governance

Give some young guns the opportunity to build themselves the best sports medical organization in the country, to be overseen in the short term, by some headhunted, established medical professionals from outside of our present system until the youngsters find their feet.

Keep the new guy, Killer. He gets a pass because he has only been with us a year. Move on the bulk of everyone else

At this point, what do we really have to lose?

 

[Tugga27]

Last night on 360.
No wonder Adelaide have been the big improvers.
Makes it a lot easier when you have a full list to choose from.

Sydney doing very well also.

 

[Chris_6678]

West Coast as a club are really poor in the way we deal with the VIC media. No strategy just little rabbits staring into the headlights.

Power and Crows do it so much better even to the point they have Cornes and Ricciuto as club mouth pieces in the Media.

Is that a good thing though?

 

[bzparkes]

Head hunting the best graduate students, from medicine, physiotherapy, exercise physiology etc would be ideal IMO

Give some young, hungry, elite graduates the opportunity to cut their teeth and forge their professional reputations with one of Australias best sporting organizations (us)

The problem with us, as an organization, is that we are permeated with "comfort" and "stability". Nobody is in a hurry to make wholesale changes from a board level down because everyone is happy and comfortable with the status quo. The club is making money, people have been there a while, and nobody wants to rock the boat. But as one of my mentors used to say, "Comfort, seldom breeds excellence"

Kofoed himself has been with the eagles now, what, the better part of 2 decades? Nesbitt for over 20 years which IMO is irresponsible corporate governance

Give some young guns the opportunity to build themselves the best sports medical organization in the country, to be overseen in the short term, by some headhunted, established medical professionals from outside of our present system until the youngsters find their feet.

Keep the new guy, Killer. He gets a pass because he has only been with us a year. Move on the bulk of everyone else

At this point, what do we really have to lose?

I dont understand this obsession with wanting to move everyone on.

Provided the guy in charge is good and can bring positive change, as long as the existing staff are on board with the ideas and keen to implement them, you keep them.

Ones who don't can go but you don't just boot people for an unknown quantity.

 

[The wily weagle]

I dont understand this obsession with wanting to move everyone on.

It's really very simple:

The people we presently have are not doing a good job

 

[Agent93]

Last night on 360.
No wonder Adelaide have been the big improvers.
Makes it a lot easier when you have a full list to choose from.

Sydney doing very well also.

When was the last time we were in the mid to lower end of those lists in the first half of the season?