Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott

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andleanback said:
I would trade Draper and bring in someone like pittonet for a few years. Someone who can play consistent footy week in week out.
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Like the idea . Only issue I have with Pittonet himself is he is a bit injury prone now but someone like him yes
 
If Scott doesn’t swing the axe this week and drop 4/5 players who should be dropped, then he’ll lose a large chunk of the supporter base very quickly. Big week for him. I’d assume the review won’t be pretty for the players either, any who turn their toes up or have the slightest sook should be on the trade table immediately.
 

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Agronomus said:
What possible reason is there not to play Bryan in a development year more than once?
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He has failed to beat Goldstein in any match sim or training contest and he is worse than Wright around the ground at VFL level when it comes to physical contests.
If you can not out physical Goldy at training and a 75kg Tom Hird can move you out of position in a marking contest in the VFL then you are not going to inspire the coach much .
Development year or not.
 
Done a very good job getting near the end of his second year in charge and learning virtually nothing about the list that a semi-competent industry 'professional' didn't already know at the end of round 23 2022.

Done an even better job not adapting his new found cliched beliefs to the challenges before him. This is Zen Brad who is useless to Essendon. We only ever appointed Brad because we thought we were getting the uncompromising 32 yo hot head - not this empty suit from AFL house. Zen Chris works because he oversees an operation with 12 on field coaches who are hardened pros in every positive way and a system which appears to be able to recreate itself. It's like AFL Skynet. Chris, I suspect, is also just better at seeing things for what they are.

Zen Brad has burned the 2 years he had to make change by allowing all of the BS to fester instead of making a single tough call. You all know the BS, it's the usual cheating, not playing 2 way footy, coming up with ways around it, buying into the 'contested' delusion and ignoring the hardball reality, picking the shit trucks he loves despite blowing up team balance while doing it. He talks a big game but picks one of his favourites at the expense of our capacity to play front half footy when this guy was one of the biggest party culture problems. But I'm glad we made a statement moving on the likes of D'Ambrosio and Voss. We know that culture starts with the rookies. And elite kicking and punishing physicality is obviously not something Zen Brad needs as much as slow Joe the Goose specialists.

He also believes his own bullshit, that a hard edge can be transplanted onto a weak group of players, because it's written in a policy document.

The real problem now is that he's probably lost credibility. He's gone from a deluded post- Collingwood message to the players to throwing tantrums in a fortnight. The players have responded accordingly. So he cant even get a response in time to contine to chase another meaningless finals appearance.

What are we even trying to do? What platform is being laid for substantial football? Looking at it another way, what do you expect to see when this squad is challenging? We cant even point to a laundry list of mids who can dominate a game, hardball and looseball, in the way North can. We certainly don't have the foundation of a tactical system and culture that Hawthorn oozes. What about the 2-way, hardball, running machine at Freo?

I told you all this is what was happening. It was obvious. He hasn't had a consistent message. To the extent he says positive things they are not consistent with his actions.

There is no reason, whatsoever, to give this guy any more time. He has not done anything of value in 2 seasons. He's a 15 year veteran coach making errors rookies don't usually make.

Essendon will be too embarrassed to sack him because it's just the last time deciding on a candidate before even interviewing him has failed. So we'll need to stick with him for 'stability' and pray that a few players become superstars.
 
CBombers17 said:
It will take time but this is exactly what Brad was brought in to change.
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That's true but he's wasted his 1st 2 years, he's debuted 3 players in 2 years, that needs to double in the next 4 weeks.

He has put way too much faith in guys who don't have a future.

Kids who aren't ready debut every week for other clubs, we need to play as many of Roberts, Hobbs, Tsatas, Hayes, Bryan, Davey and Davey for the rest of the season. Don't pay attention to the score board, it's secondary.
 
Milanista28 said:
That's true but he's wasted his 1st 2 years, he's debuted 3 players in 2 years, that needs to double in the next 4 weeks.

He has put way too much faith in guys who don't have a future.

Kids who aren't ready debut every week for other clubs, we need to play as many of Roberts, Hobbs, Tsatas, Hayes, Bryan, Davey and Davey for the rest of the season. Don't pay attention to the score board, it's secondary.
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You're joking
 
ant555 said:
He has failed to beat Goldstein in any match sim or training contest and he is worse than Wright around the ground at VFL level when it comes to physical contests.
If you can not out physical Goldy at training and a 75kg Tom Hird can move you out of position in a marking contest in the VFL then you are not going to inspire the coach much .
Development year or not.
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Who cares? You aren't playing him to win games of senior football now.

We keep picking teams to win, screw winning, pick the team based on potential, players who may have a future, if those players don't show fight bin em and get the next guy.

We are so conservative, it's embarrassing.
 
Bryan - Hasn't shown enough
Wright - Given multiple chances, seemingly failed by the coaches standards, gets bought back in immediately without having to show any improvement.

🤷‍♂️
 
Milanista28 said:
Tsatas, Caddy and Davey? Am I missing others? Maybe I am?
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I checked. We've played less AFL debutants than everyone else in the last 2 years.

Only Carlton have bought in less new players.
 

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I’d be sticking with Scott and wouldnt be throwing the baby out with the bath water.

We were playing very good footy earlier in the year and that wasn’t by accident.

What this group clearly cannot do - they’ve shown it for two seasons now - is put in an entire season of competitive footy.

Scott’s gameplan, coaching and attitude at selection hasn’t changed from six weeks ago.

The players’ talent hasn’t changed from six weeks ago.

The big focus of Scott’s press conference last night was effort and intensity.

Our players cannot do it for a whole season.

I would say it’s probably part mental and part physical.

We have invested in player development but that will take a number of years to bear fruit.

I have said time and time and time again that what we lack, what hasn’t been addressed, is leadership in the playing group. We don’t have leaders who have been through entire successful campaigns, know what it requires and can lay those standards on the group.

We haven’t had a leader like that since Goddard left back in ****ing 2018. Which was a mistake, btw - he wanted to go on and we effectively sacked him, with nobody to plug the leadership void.

Supporters saw his play dropping off a bit (natural at that age) and largely were happy for him to go, not thinking of what he brings on the track and on the ground from the start of pre-season to the end of the year.

This is so important and this group has shown so many times they need guidance and standards.

The shopping list is pretty simple and reflects what Fagan did when he brought Hodge to Brisbane.

Pendlebury
Luke Parker
Dangerfield
Mitch Duncan
Zach Touhy

Etc etc

Problem is you have to accept reduced versions of themselves because they can’t physically do what they did before. Would we accept that to get the leadership, standard etc that will flow through the group? I think you have to because it’s what we need - it’s such a huge hole.
 
Milanista28 said:
That's true but he's wasted his 1st 2 years, he's debuted 3 players in 2 years, that needs to double in the next 4 weeks.

He has put way too much faith in guys who don't have a future.

Kids who aren't ready debut every week for other clubs, we need to play as many of Roberts, Hobbs, Tsatas, Hayes, Bryan, Davey and Davey for the rest of the season. Don't pay attention to the score board, it's secondary.
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Completely divorcing the personnel question marks, which are completely valid, I don’t even think that’s the biggest issue.

Does he know what success looks like, does he know what his end product looks like? Does he at a base, fundamental level know how many bigs and smalls he wants on the ground? I think and have thought for a while the questions are that fundamental, even before we get down to the individual levels.

From the outside looking in he’s actually deviated from the way we were playing at the start of the year which was the most successful patch and deliberately gone to something different which has been pretty awful.
 
rumply said:
The thinking was a couple of FA would push us over the top yet here we are again with the ass falling out as the season progresses & little sign of who we can rely on to take us forward.
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Was it? I thought the thinking was that getting free agents were the best way to get quality without compromising our draft hand.
 
  • Every fan for the last 10 years could tell you Langford was natural fwd. Yet he's been ****ed around his whole career & Brad chose to initially play him in the back half, before injuries forced us to move him forward. What the **** was he and the coaching staff seeing in training?
  • Any Essendon fan could tell you Massimo D'ambrosio is exactly the kind of player our backline needed, a beautiful ball user - who should be playing ahead of the likes of Kelly & Heppell. But Brad Scott insists on playing his favourite 2 experienced hacks for us to lose this talent & see him absolutely flourish at another club.
  • Any Essendon fan can tell you we are going in far too tall & slow - but Brad keeps insisting on it for some ****ing reason when it is so evident and clear to see. We dont have good small forward, surely we could at least do with pace anywhere on the field? But no, Brad Scott insists on it.
  • Any Essendon fan can see how atrociously bad our fwd 5 entries are every game - but no, because we win the fwd 50 entry count every game - it's a personnel and not a system issue? Get ****ed Brad - this is a system issue. These are just piss poor tactics - going long and deep with shit contested marking players & 0 quality small forward is an obviously atrocious game plan.
  • Any Essendon fan can see that continuing to play a chip mark, boundary side style of play just is not the way to go when the pressure is put on by the opponent. Pressure builds mistakes, and this team is so clearly not skilled enough to be able to cope with that - yet we continue to insist on it. Regardless of talent, its hard enough to maintain quality when pressure is put on. But no Brad - you continue to insist.

This is not a personnel problem. We have enough quality players to be doing better than we are, to be beating the likes of Adelaide and St Kilda.

This is a Brad Scott problem. He is a shit coach. He is not tactically astute. He is clearly making atrocious decisions at the selection table. He is not tactically proactive. When is the last time he has made a tangible coaching move that has shifted a game? He is just a politician. A good manager of people maybe - but a football coach he is not.

We are going no where right now, and I don't see us going anywhere with his arrogant, head-strong ****stick of an AFL politician.
 
ant555 said:
Again it is Part of what you need.
You will never agree with me as you think the list is okay and that a forward line with Wright and Langford and Stringer and co can be okay.
The list is average and has more holes than Swiss cheese. The coach may be making a few errors but the list is the major factor.
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This isn’t what I think.
I think you can build a competitive forward line around Wright and Langford.

I think that Langford and Stringer can’t exist in the same forward line with or without Wright. But their shortcomings are magnified by Wright.

The only way Langford and Stringer fit in the same side is if Jake is playing mostly midfield (Which Scott is trying to be fair. )

Problem is Stringer isn’t fit enough to play mid and plays the mid/forward role worse than Setterfield (who’s inexplicably in the VFL)

To me I think Jake should be Sub or out, but that’s a hard conversation that hasn’t Been had. It’s extra complicated when he’s in a free agent year.

…..

I think coaches like players understanding the system because you have to understand before you can implement/execute.

But it’s classic correlation vs causation
Ie everyone who can implement a system understands it , but not everyone who understands can implement.

Where that clashes with development is you can have senior players who know what they should be doing but can’t follow through on those ideas say 50% of the time vs a young player who is still learning the system and is in the right place say 80% of the time. But win 2/3 contests which in practice gives them similar impact to the senior player.

So senior players feel like a safety blanket to risk averse coaches but they are actually just hurting themselves by playing less productive players in the present and not finding out if they will ever be able to understand the system.

….

I’m not blind to the list holes (Essendon is still in practice millions under the cap ) but it bothers me that Scott’s doing the same things and the team isn’t improving
 
boncer34 said:
Bryan - Hasn't shown enough
Wright - Given multiple chances, seemingly failed by the coaches standards, gets bought back in immediately without having to show any improvement.

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Wright still shows more than Bryan .
And then there is the fact that Bryan went into the Casey game a bit sore and struggled. Missed a few training sessions. But hey what the hell . Choose to leave out whatever you want 🙂
 
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VexOh said:
  • Every fan for the last 10 years could tell you Langford was natural fwd. Yet he's been *ed around his whole career & Brad chose to initially play him in the back half, before injuries forced us to move him forward. What the * was he and the coaching staff seeing in training?
  • Any Essendon fan could tell you Massimo D'ambrosio is exactly the kind of player our backline needed, a beautiful ball user - who should be playing ahead of the likes of Kelly & Heppell. But Brad Scott insists on playing his favourite 2 experienced hacks for us to lose this talent & see him absolutely flourish at another club.
  • Any Essendon fan can tell you we are going in far too tall & slow - but Brad keeps insisting on it for some ****ing reason when it is so evident and clear to see. We dont have good small forward, surely we could at least do with pace anywhere on the field? But no, Brad Scott insists on it.
  • Any Essendon fan can see how atrociously bad our fwd 5 entries are every game - but no, because we win the fwd 50 entry count every game - it's a personnel and not a system issue? Get ****ed Brad - this is a system issue. These are just piss poor tactics - going long and deep with shit contested marking players & 0 quality small forward is an obviously atrocious game plan.
  • Any Essendon fan can see that continuing to play a chip mark, boundary side style of play just is not the way to go when the pressure is put on by the opponent. Pressure builds mistakes, and this team is so clearly not skilled enough to be able to cope with that - yet we continue to insist on it. Regardless of talent, its hard enough to maintain quality when pressure is put on. But no Brad - you continue to insist.

This is not a personnel problem. We have enough quality players to be doing better than we are, to be beating the likes of Adelaide and St Kilda.

This is a Brad Scott problem. He is a shit coach. He is not tactically astute. He is clearly making atrocious decisions at the selection table. He is not tactically proactive. When is the last time he has made a tangible coaching move that has shifted a game? He is just a politician. A good manager of people maybe - but a football coach he is not.

We are going no where right now, and I don't see us going anywhere with his arrogant, head-strong ****stick of an AFL politician.
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Yes the rose coloured glasses effect.
Nothing wrong with the list at all .
Brad may be crap but the list is devoid of top end quality and leadership.
 
jdstorm said:
This isn’t what I think.
I think you can build a competitive forward line around Wright and Langford.

I think that Langford and Stringer can’t exist in the same forward line with or without Wright. But their shortcomings are magnified by Wright.

The only way Langford and Stringer fit in the same side is if Jake is playing mostly midfield (Which Scott is trying to be fair. )

Problem is Stringer isn’t fit enough to play mid and plays the mid/forward role worse than Setterfield (who’s inexplicably in the VFL)

To me I think Jake should be Sub or out, but that’s a hard conversation that hasn’t Been had. It’s extra complicated when he’s in a free agent year.

…..

I think coaches like players understanding the system because you have to understand before you can implement/execute.

But it’s classic correlation vs causation
Ie everyone who can implement a system understands it , but not everyone who understands can implement.

Where that clashes with development is you can have senior players who know what they should be doing but can’t follow through on those ideas say 50% of the time vs a young player who is still learning the system and is in the right place say 80% of the time. But win 2/3 contests which in practice gives them similar impact to the senior player.

So senior players feel like a safety blanket to risk averse coaches but they are actually just hurting themselves by playing less productive players in the present and not finding out if they will ever be able to understand the system.

….

I’m not blind to the list holes (Essendon is still in practice millions under the cap ) but it bothers me that Scott’s doing the same things and the team isn’t improving
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Wright is not someone you build something around. 27 years old . Plays like Jane.
Langford has been playing like a busted ass lately and making just as many bone head decisions as anyone.

It amuses me that people think it is all Scott’s fault or all Trucks fault or all Worsfolds fault.
When will the roses be smelt and the players be held to account ? And not just the usual suspects.
 
ant555 said:
Wright is not someone you build something around. 27 years old . Plays like Jane.
Langford has been playing like a busted ass lately and making just as many bone head decisions as anyone.

It amuses me that people think it is all Scott’s fault or all Trucks fault or all Worsfolds fault.
When will the roses be smelt and the players be held to account ? And not just the usual suspects.
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I think the players absolutely should be held to account. For what they are responsible for.

Coaches also deserve the same and the complete drop off of effort from the start of the season to now and team culture getting worse I think reflects the coaches ability to manage and develop culture as much as anything else

Also I liked truck thought he was a good coach and got thrown under the bus for not being politically minded as was needed
 

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