Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott

[fairbump_playon]

I guess it will depend on whether there's been any growth in his ability to communicate since his first go around with North.

FWIW I think they missed a trick not going to Voss coming off his 5 and 4 in consecutive weeks because Weideman was going ok but hadn't really found his place in the forward line, was a little bit clunky and getting in the way.

Now it's the opposite, Voss has been quiet and so has Weideman but at least he's been doing a better role at getting on his bike and drawing a man away from dangerous areas.

He should be able to coach for a forward unit that can hold up even if there are some personnel changes

Just need VFL players to know the system inside out so that the out of form Weid can be replaced by the in form .. Hunter etc

The biggest issue with not rewarding form in the 2s is the impact on culture and harmony when there is perceived unfairness… plus being undroppable doesn’t really drive exceptional performance.

 

[faible]

They should rename the rule you don't lose at least 7 games and maybe scrape into finals to contending for a flag in the space of one preseason unless you have finished somewhere else at some other stage in history recent and relevant to the season being spoken about.

Teams don't exist in a single season, so this is a strange take.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

How many teams have won the flag from outside the top 4 in the past 25 years? 1?
So that would classified as an exception not the rule when talking about it is possible. Yeh of course anything is possible, it’s just extremely unlikely.
Along with that the dogs were probably one of the best 7th seed sides we’ve seen winning 15 games, while also having a load of injuries. They should’ve been top 4 that year.

pointing to history as a reason why things can or cannot happen is the epitome of a fallacy.

It is a data point, sure, but it quite literally has no bearing on what will happen in the future.

I'm happy for you to go on furiously agreeing with me if you like. It has happened, it can happen, it's not true to say it can't happen, and yes, historically it's rare, but that really doesn't mean shit. Ask any lottery winner

 

[Lance Uppercut]

2007 was also when GAJ started doing GAJ things, so can't really plan for that.

oh, so a particular variable affected a particular outcome?

Interesting. I guess that's not likely to happen again

 

[yodellinhank]

Teams don't exist in a single season, so this is a strange take.

Thinking about how we already made finals just a couple of years ago has got me giddy for a flag, and soon. Give Archie Perkins a 5 year deal.

 

[fairbump_playon]

you don't go from losing at least 7 games and maybe scraping into finals to contending for a flag in the space of one preseason

No, you're right. We will need both the 2024 preseason and the regular 2024 season.

 

[andleanback]

pointing to history as a reason why things can or cannot happen is the epitome of a fallacy.

It is a data point, sure, but it quite literally has no bearing on what will happen in the future.

I'm happy for you to go on furiously agreeing with me if you like. It has happened, it can happen, it's not true to say it can't happen, and yes, historically it's rare, but that really doesn't mean s**t. Ask any lottery winner

Yeh of course it has no bearing on the future. But year on year odds would say that the premier will come from within the top 4.

 

[faible]

oh, so a particular variable affected a particular outcome?

Interesting. I guess that's not likely to happen again

A very unusual variable, sure. You don't make list decisions around maybe having one of the all-time great players on your list start to show their form though.

No one is saying it's impossible to come from nowhere to win a Premiership, just that it's highly unlikely and therefore not something to make list decisions around.

Of course, trying to pretend they are saying that is a convenient arguing point.

 

[doug85]

pointing to history as a reason why things can or cannot happen is the epitome of a fallacy.

It is a data point, sure, but it quite literally has no bearing on what will happen in the future.

I'm happy for you to go on furiously agreeing with me if you like. It has happened, it can happen, it's not true to say it can't happen, and yes, historically it's rare, but that really doesn't mean s**t. Ask any lottery winner

This should be stickied on every BF thread. Insane how often people use this reasoning as a justification.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

pointing to history as a reason why things can or cannot happen is the epitome of a fallacy.

It is a data point, sure, but it quite literally has no bearing on what will happen in the future.

I'm happy for you to go on furiously agreeing with me if you like. It has happened, it can happen, it's not true to say it can't happen, and yes, historically it's rare, but that really doesn't mean s**t. Ask any lottery winner

Not a determinist, I see.

 

[Kong]

Ftfy

 

[Don Won]

Time will tell, but often the rise to a contender can be swift once you make that leap to 5th or 6th. The jump can often be quick as those players with 40 games soom become 60-70 game players, and almost overight make that leap from "developing player" to regular senior player. A number of players have already made that leap this season alone, and I think more will make that leap next year.

We are not far away.

It's a sport of thin margins, so a mere 5% rise in productivity can be worth 3-5 wins. The difference between the top teams and the bottom half of the 8 seems a lot, but it's not as much as people think.

Whilst I agree that you probably need to level up both players and ladder position, this year is really strange. We are probably one 5 degree miss kick off being equal 10th or equal 4th… so ladder position isn’t always a great indicator of comparative progression.

Not saying we haven’t progressed - that 2nd quarter on Sunday was magnificent in many ways.

 

[Dan26]

Whilst I agree that you probably need to level up both players and ladder position, this year is really strange. We are probably one 5 degree miss kick off being equal 10th or equal 4th… so ladder position isn’t always a great indicator of comparative progression.

Not saying we haven’t progressed - that 2nd quarter on Sunday was magnificent in many ways.

That's true. The path to a flag can take 5-7 years but that pathway isnt linear. We have obviously already drafted and started to develop players who we believe can be part of a potential premiership team. That process started years ago.

For example. Just because Richmond finished 13th in 2016 doesn't mean they won the flag in one season the next year. It was still a 5-7 years process, it's just that they had a bad year the year before. We've been middle-of-the-road for a long time, and building the pieces we need. I would even argue we were middle-of-the-road last year, but we just underachieved.

History shows that once you have the pieces in place, and it clicks that last step can happen quickly. Yes the overall process is 5 years, but that last step is often where it just clicks. Richmond 2017, Hawthorn 2008 examples.

 

[andleanback]

That's true. The path to a flag can take 5-7 years but that pathway isnt linear. We have obviously already drafted and started to develop players who we believe can be part of a potential premiership team. That process started years ago.

For example. Just because Richmond finished 13th in 2016 doesn't mean they won the flag in one season the next year. It was still a 5-7 years process, it's just that they had a bad year the year before. We've been middle-of-the-road for a long time, and building the pieces we need. I would even argue we were middle-of-the-road last year, but we just underachieved.

History shows that once you have the pieces in place, and it clicks that last step can happen quickly. Yes the overall process is 5 years, but that last step is often where it just clicks. Richmond 2017, Hawthorn 2008 examples.

I’d say even though hawks won it in 2008, they won that flag well before schedule. That then set them back a few years before they got back on track. Missing finals 09 (thankyou Hurley) losing an elimination 2010 (Clarko nearly getting sacked), losing a prelim 2011, losing a grand final 2012 and finally it all clicking for 3 flags in a row.

 

[Nicholas61]

That's true. The path to a flag can take 5-7 years but that pathway isnt linear. We have obviously already drafted and started to develop players who we believe can be part of a potential premiership team. That process started years ago.

For example. Just because Richmond finished 13th in 2016 doesn't mean they won the flag in one season the next year. It was still a 5-7 years process, it's just that they had a bad year the year before. We've been middle-of-the-road for a long time, and building the pieces we need. I would even argue we were middle-of-the-road last year, but we just underachieved.

History shows that once you have the pieces in place, and it clicks that last step can happen quickly. Yes the overall process is 5 years, but that last step is often where it just clicks. Richmond 2017, Hawthorn 2008 examples.

Agreed. Anything is possible and hopefully the players feel the same. We have pushed most of the best teams all the way this year. Sure we have some weaknesses like everyone but we are pretty close. There is always the element of luck and we can't afford to lose guys like Zac or Ridley for example. But with a bit of fortune we can do some damage this year even. We do have some top end talent that is flourishing and will continue to develop under Scott.

 

[yodellinhank]

I’d say even though hawks won it in 2008, they won that flag well before schedule. That then set them back a few years before they got back on track. Missing finals 09 (thankyou Hurley) losing an elimination 2010 (Clarko nearly getting sacked), losing a prelim 2011, losing a grand final 2012 and finally it all clicking for 3 flags in a row.

Premierships will set you back alright. Just think of the success they could've had if they didn't cheat the schedule.

 

[Nicholas61]

I guess a bit like us. The Hawks didn't have a massive defender and got monstered by Hawkins and Cloke for a few years until they got Lake. In 2008 they had Croad.

 

[Lore]

Talking heads on footy classified have decided they like him apparently:

Lloydy:

Essendon great Matthew Lloyd has sung the praises of new Bombers coach Brad Scott, saying he has stabilised the once struggling club and created "career-best" footballers in a side that is pushing for a spot in the finals.

The Bombers, who sit in fifth position with nine wins in 2023, are looking every chance of playing finals thanks to Scott's unforgiving philosophies, Lloyd believes.

"The stability at the club is first-rate," Lloyd said on Nine's Footy Classified on Monday Night.

"I judge a coach by how many players are in career-best form and there are so many players at Essendon who are playing the best football that I have ever seen them play."

Kornes:

Port Adelaide great Kane Cornes believes the new game plan Scott has introduced has elevated the club to a level only champion sides can uphold.

"For the first time, they're actually being coached and are being made to be accountable to a system they know they are accountable to," Cornes said on Monday night.

"The system with which they are now moving the ball, this is as good as you've seen.

"They are now covering all facets of the game."

Caro:

AFL journalist Caroline Wilson also praised Scott, saying the club they "laughed" at in the pre-season was now a genuine finals contender.

"The stamping of authority and Brad Scott's refusal to go along with some of the practices that were going on in the past has swept through the whole club," Wilson said.

"Last year these players were said to be a bunch of introverts ... No one's saying that anymore."

Yardstick that shows Scott's Essendon revival

'The best football I have ever seen them play'

wwos.nine.com.au

 

[yodellinhank]

Get ****ed caro

 

[Old Campaigner]

Get ****ed caro

She's right though, the key to success was basically taking everything 'Essendon' (except maybe the jumper) and throwing it in the bin

 

[yodellinhank]

She's right though, the key to success was basically taking everything 'Essendon' (except maybe the jumper) and throwing it in the bin

Worsfold tried that. Rutten and Scott have had much better results.

 

[Lore]

Worsfold tried that. Rutten and Scott have had much better results.

Seems to be an iterative process

 

[MiguelM]

Well, Scott keeps saying we have a long way to go, he is spot on!

 

[Lore]

Well, Scott keeps saying we have a long way to go, he is spot on!

Sometimes we can't be told, just have to learn the hard way

 

[Zach Package]

Essendon getting smacked in the mouth by really experienced and well organised footy sides is not a new phenomenon.

In fact, when it does happen under Scott, it happens to a greater degree.