Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott

[Nifft]

I liked it

 

[Old Campaigner]

The difference is Brad reels off a spiel every week about how the numbers tell him a story. It could all be bullshit (and most likely it is) but it sounds like he is working hard on areas of improvement. He sounds ahead of the game in analysing where it went wrong and what needs a fix.

Rutten was dumbfounded and couldn't even pretend to explain what in the world was going on.

I would've loved Rutten to work out. He was young so could've coached us well into the future, he tried to make the place proud again, and his strut that time was second to none. He felt like an "Essendon person" very quickly.

Unfortunately the guy didn't know what to do, and couldn't fake it until he maked it.

To be fair Scott might just be the more polished media performer. I don’t have a great deal of faith that what is said in the press conferences mirrors what is said to the players behind closed doors

 

[JayJ20]

If the whole thing is a matter of ‘you get tested, you fail, you get back up and go again until it works’ and that is actually the club’s stance there is no jumping off Rutten and onto Scott in the first place, the whole point of Scott was because we thought we could short circuit that, play a bit of snakes and ladders and skip a few steps.

It’s all well and good for Scott to say that and he’s not wrong, but he’s almost kiboshing what the exec said about Rutten, which is trying and failing until it works is not good enough in our book, we think someone else can do better.

I understand your point but Scott wasn't the reason Rutten was removed.

I think the big issue we have here is that for a long time, the tail wagged the dog.

I knew this club was rotten as soon as the players spat the dummy back in 2017 when Xavier made a comment that losing to spooners Brisbane at home as finals contenders was not good enough. They made him, the CEO, apologise publicly for his comments when it's the players that lost a supposed unlosable game at home.

At Essendon, the players decide who coaches and who doesn't. They decide when the season ends (like the last couple of games last year). They just need to stop trying, get thrashed and the coach is removed. Happened to Knights, Hird, Woosha, Rutten. Just look at the last couple of games before each of those coaches were removed.

Rutten was allegedly removed because the players thought he was too soft. Now we have reports of players losing it over Scott's hard stance over a last minute choke vs Adelaide? Then the following week, we get thrashed? For how long do we look after the player's feelings instead of making this club one with high standards?

I think it's time we back the coach and play players that are willing to be here. Scott's fault is not making the changes to reflect a harder stance, but our standards have been so poor for so long.

 

[Foxx]

Essendon hierarchy need to get rid of him.
A country footy reserves coach wouldn't make the amount of tactical errors he's making.

 

[rumply]

I understand your point but Scott wasn't the reason Rutten was removed.

I think the big issue we have here is that for a long time, the tail wagged the dog.

I knew this club was rotten as soon as the players spat the dummy back in 2017 when Xavier made a comment that losing to spooners Brisbane at home as finals contenders was not good enough. They made him, the CEO, apologise publicly for his comments when it's the players that lost a supposed unlosable game at home.

At Essendon, the players decide who coaches and who doesn't. They decide when the season ends (like the last couple of games last year). They just need to stop trying, get thrashed and the coach is removed. Happened to Knights, Hird, Woosha, Rutten. Just look at the last couple of games before each of those coaches were removed.

Rutten was allegedly removed because the players thought he was too soft. Now we have reports of players losing it over Scott's hard stance over a last minute choke vs Adelaide? Then the following week, we get thrashed? For how long do we look after the player's feelings instead of making this club one with high standards?

I think it's time we back the coach and play players that are willing to be here. Scott's fault is not making the changes to reflect a harder stance, but our standards have been so poor for so long.

The club needs to give Brad licence to go as hard & deep as he wants this offseason.

 

[cAsEy_18]

The club needs to give Brad licence to go as hard & deep as he wants this offseason.

I think he’s got it - it becomes more a question of how hard & deep he himself wants to go.

 

[JayJ20]

The club needs to give Brad licence to go as hard & deep as he wants this offseason.

Yep. Get rid of those who continuously spit the dummy and keep the ones dedicated to putting in effort week in week out. I'm sure Brad has an idea of who those players are by now and I suspect he established his core group of players who meet that criteria. Enough of the players dictating when they want a vacation and keep those willing to sacrifice for a premiership like the best clubs do.

Our percentage is indicative of players that are selective of when they want to play. 14 teams have a percentage above 100 and we're one of the 4 that don't despite our win-loss record. Embarrassing. We need to build a squad that can be bothered thrashing teams, playing for a whole season, playing 4 quarters a game and minimising thrashings received. Otherwise we're never building a premiership list no matter how many Dustys we have on our list (just look at Gold Coast).

 

[rumply]

Yep. Get rid of those who continuously spit the dummy and keep the ones dedicated to putting in effort week in week out. I'm sure Brad has an idea of who those players are by now and I suspect he established his core group of players who meet that criteria. Enough of the players dictating when they want a vacation and keep those willing to sacrifice for a premiership like the best clubs do.

Our percentage is indicative of players that are selective of when they want to play. 14 teams have a percentage above 100 and we're one of the 4 that don't despite our win-loss record. Embarrassing. We need to build a squad that can be bothered thrashing teams, playing for a whole season, playing 4 quarters a game and minimising thrashings received. Otherwise we're never building a premiership list no matter how many Dustys we have on our list (just look at Gold Coast).

I finally heard the audio clip thats been doing the rounds this week of Bomber back in 2018 & not one ****ing thing has changed results wise with this club.

I'd could say something like 'I hope we go winless to end out the season' so the cleanout can begin but I'm sure I said that exact same thing last year. & probably the year before. & so on.

We are a spineless club, there is no disputing that anymore.

 

[katana]

The club needs to give Brad licence to go as hard & deep as he wants this offseason.

i think based on team selections... that's not very deep.

 

[chambo00]

Now we have reports of players losing it over Scott's hard stance over a last minute choke vs Adelaide? Then the following week, we get thrashed? For how long do we look after the player's feelings instead of making this club one with high standards?

Is this confirmed to be true?

 

[yodellinhank]

To be fair Scott might just be the more polished media performer. I don’t have a great deal of faith that what is said in the press conferences mirrors what is said to the players behind closed doors

I feel a lot would've hinged on what was said to the board behind closed doors. He would've been asked similar questions to that of the press.

 

[JayJ20]

Essendon hierarchy need to get rid of him.
A country footy reserves coach wouldn't make the amount of tactical errors he's making.

Is it tactical errors or is it an error in player execution and application? Coaches are criticised for tactical errors far too often which shifts blame away from the true culprits. The players. It's such an Essendon thing to blame a coach straight away. We never have coaches survive beyond 2-4 years because the first person that is blamed for anything is the coach. Not list management, not on-field leaders, not senior players, not developmental coaches, not a trash reserves system, not fitness and injury management. It's always the head coach. That's the one thing that has been consistent since Sheedy. All of our top 8 finishes probably happened with a new coach boost.

The players have fallen away in the second half of the season for no reason at all. No significant injuries, no suspensions, no significant changes in gameplan, tactics or personnel, nothing. We have players like Redman, Ridley, Wright, Langford and even Walla and Fantasia a couple of years back who are excellent and almost in AA form (and some have reached AA), and then they suddenly for no reason at all drop off completely. They just stop performing completely. This is a consistent trend over the years. The Zaharakis effect.

This is not gameday tactical errors nor is it even an issue of team selection. This is a cultural issue that far precedes Scott.

 

[P Money]

Axe = swung

 

[jmoo wan]

tough guy Brad! no more Zen Brad

 

[bomberlegend2007]

Am I wrong to think that maybe Heppell is the “sook” behind the scenes?

 

[justlookingaround]

Is this confirmed to be true?

No

 

[DERO]

tough guy Brad! no more Zen Brad

yeah that’s great but how good is his chocolate game?

 

[yodellinhank]

Am I wrong to think that maybe Heppell is the “sook” behind the scenes?

Doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would stop smiling just because he had a bad day at work.

 

[jmoo wan]

yeah that’s great but how good is his chocolate game?

unless he is hunting cacao i’m not interested

 

[DERO]

unless he is hunting cacao i’m not interested

Bard Scott is hunting the caca

 

[Maxabillions]

tough guy Brad! no more Zen Brad

I don’t know…

 

[BomberManU]

Am I wrong to think that maybe Heppell is the “sook” behind the scenes?

As much as I don't want him selected anymore, I'd be staggered if that was the case.

 

[Foxx]

Is it tactical errors or is it an error in player execution and application? Coaches are criticised for tactical errors far too often which shifts blame away from the true culprits. The players. It's such an Essendon thing to blame a coach straight away. We never have coaches survive beyond 2-4 years because the first person that is blamed for anything is the coach. Not list management, not on-field leaders, not senior players, not developmental coaches, not a trash reserves system, not fitness and injury management. It's always the head coach. That's the one thing that has been consistent since Sheedy. All of our top 8 finishes probably happened with a new coach boost.

The players have fallen away in the second half of the season for no reason at all. No significant injuries, no suspensions, no significant changes in gameplan, tactics or personnel, nothing. We have players like Redman, Ridley, Wright, Langford and even Walla and Fantasia a couple of years back who are excellent and almost in AA form (and some have reached AA), and then they suddenly for no reason at all drop off completely. They just stop performing completely. This is a consistent trend over the years. The Zaharakis effect.

This is not gameday tactical errors nor is it even an issue of team selection. This is a cultural issue that far precedes Scott.

No change in structure and gameplan?
The coach is playing 2 key position players on the wings.
That effectively puts us 2 midfielders short of the opposition midfield every week.
Whats worse is he's playing a forward press, with those taller wings, and lack of ground level support. Plus no defensive smaller forwards, ie Davey.
Whats stopping transition with that setup? Our best mid/forward whos playing in defence?

He's playing tall sides in the wet.
He's got no idea. His selections, set up and gameplan doesn't match, and it's little wonder the players have lost faith. They're coach has them up against it before the first bounce.

 

[Vindicater]

No change in structure and gameplan?
The coach is playing 2 key position players on the wings.
That effectively puts us 2 midfielders short of the opposition midfield every week.
Whats worse is he's playing a forward press, with those taller wings, and lack of ground level support. Plus no defensive smaller forwards, ie Davey.
Whats stopping transition with that setup? Our best mid/forward whos playing in defence?

He's playing tall sides in the wet.
He's got no idea. His selections, set up and gameplan doesn't match, and it's little wonder the players have lost faith. They're coach has them up against it before the first bounce.

This is my problem with him as well. He seems to just pick whatever the best 22 players he thinks of and then jams them into spots.

This week we look faster and quicker so hopefully that will help.

 

[fairbump_playon]

You were telling us how some coaches are given too long because most are bad and you gave an example of a coach who wasn’t given a lot of time.

2007: It's the coach. Sheedy sacked.
2010: It's the coach. Knights sacked.
2015: It's the coach. Hird. So many things.
2020: It's the coach. Worsfold sacked.
2022: It's the coach. Rutten sacked.
2024?: It's the coach.

I mean, maybe it is the coach. But also maybe it's not.

Add in a season of Thompson. That's a lot of 'it's the coach'.

The whole club has been varying levels of bad, there's a lot of entrenched shitness for any coach to resolve.

It’s roles/functions but it’s also belief & entrenched values

I think we suck mainly because at heart, deep down, players and officials believe we suck and that an incredible, life changing season would see us one day, somehow, win one final