Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott

[ant555]

I’m not saying to sack him.

I’m saying I want to see more from him than the dialogue about effort. I have question marks over his ability to implement a modern style of play that will stack up against the best. The way we concede goals and the level of confusion when defending transition is really concerning for me.

So you have confidence in the current list’s ability to perform a modern game plan?
I think it is personal as much as game plan. Both need refinement.

 

[FlyingV]

So you have confidence in the current list’s ability to perform a modern game plan?
I think it is personal as much as game plan. Both need refinement.

No I agree with you on that. I don’t think we have the personnel to sustain it. I think Martin, Durham, Duursma help. In fact it makes me reflect on 3 years ago how far off it were then and the improvements made. I think Rosa gets it.

My point of view is that he should have built the foundation of effort and professionalism required by year 3. That should be established and now we work on embedding a contemporary style of play.

 

[Old Campaigner]

No I agree with you on that. I don’t think we have the personnel to sustain it. I think Martin, Durham, Duursma help. In fact it makes me reflect on 3 years ago how far off it were then and the improvements made. I think Rosa gets it.

My point of view is that he should have built the foundation of effort and professionalism required by year 3. That should be established and now we work on embedding a contemporary style of play.

What are you basing that on? We’ve had a merry go round of coaches over the last decade and they’ve all identified the same problem but been unable to fix it. Now you’re saying after two years that Scott has had long enough to achieve something no other coach could manage?

We have a trash list but you’re still judging the coach by his ability to implement a modern game plan? A modern game plan that is based on defensive efforts, something the players have steadfastly refused to accept for over a decade?

 

[Mercurial89]

Do not agree at all and I did not say good football. My view is we did play better football for a good part.

Apologies I read "played pretty well" as a synonym for good.

 

[ant555]

No I agree with you on that. I don’t think we have the personnel to sustain it. I think Martin, Durham, Duursma help. In fact it makes me reflect on 3 years ago how far off it were then and the improvements made. I think Rosa gets it.

My point of view is that he should have built the foundation of effort and professionalism required by year 3. That should be established and now we work on embedding a contemporary style of play.

I think effort and a professional base has been established. It is now they sort the players and they will expand the game plan. The fact that they say we need to be better covers all areas.

 

[FlyingV]

What are you basing that on? We’ve had a merry go round of coaches over the last decade and they’ve all identified the same problem but been unable to fix it. Now you’re saying after two years that Scott has had long enough to achieve something no other coach could manage?

We have a trash list but you’re still judging the coach by his ability to implement a modern game plan? A modern game plan that is based on defensive efforts, something the players have steadfastly refused to accept for over a decade?

I think I’ve made it pretty clear in my posts that I believe two years is long enough to ensure players are aware of what effort and standards are required to be an AFL footballer.

 

[FlyingV]

I think effort and a professional base has been established. It is now they sort the players and they will expand the game plan. The fact that they say we need to be better covers all areas.

I agree.

 

[Squeaky]

yeah some fair points there, maybe its Scott copping the brunt of my displeasure but its a Club wide issue over the last two years.

The one thing I can definitely point at Scott is the change in approach in 2nd half of year to more short term planning based on our ladder position at the mid point of the season.

I know it comes to personal belief of what is the best approach as Both you and Lore say "we were a chance to make finals so thats why the did X and Y" and thats a perfectly valid view, but for me a personally (and I believe a couple of other supporters) we were happy to hear him talk about patience/8 year plans etc at start of year and we were happy to see him give younger guys more responsibility pre bye so its disappointing he fell back on tried and failed strategies/positioning etc in back half of year just because he saw a finals berth as a possibility.
I hate Sam Mitchell as much as any Essendon supporter does but I cant help but look back at the last two years of us all laughing at them languishing at the bottom whilst he tried to instil his style. But he didnt blink, Scott blinked.

This bit is spot on.
The guys in charge cannot afford to get carried away like that.
If there is a plan it had to be adhered to - maybe there just wasn't a plan.

And the other thing that makes me worried is his selection policy. Perkins should have been dropped much earlier than he was. Roberts could have played earlier. Hayes?
And don't play 2 Rucks and 200cm Wingers in the rain!
Pretty ****ing basic.

 

[joey_jo_jo]

What has become pretty clear over the last few months is rebuilding the list couldn’t happen with Dodoro there, and so is only starting now.

So many wasted years, what a mess.

Yep it's very clear now.
The reason I'm jaded and a bit skeptical about the excuses made for Scott and Vozzo is the reasons offered by posters for the slow pace in the rebuild are starting to feel a bit like the excuses made for dodoro still being at the club.

"Nah he isn't in charge of drafting, now RFK is so all good he really shines at trade time"

"Now he is doing contract negotiations so not really involved in list build"

Now it's "we couldn't make progress whilst Adrian was at the club"

Maybe dodoro wasn't the problem after all, he was just a symptom of the big club malaise that has engulfed the club for 20 years.
I was sure scott/vozzo were change agents to finally pull us into the modern game but now I'm 50/50 whether this is the case or whether it's just same shit new faces.

 

[BrunoV]

yeah some fair points there, maybe its Scott copping the brunt of my displeasure but its a Club wide issue over the last two years.

The one thing I can definitely point at Scott is the change in approach in 2nd half of year to more short term planning based on our ladder position at the mid point of the season.

I know it comes to personal belief of what is the best approach as Both you and Lore say "we were a chance to make finals so thats why the did X and Y" and thats a perfectly valid view, but for me a personally (and I believe a couple of other supporters) we were happy to hear him talk about patience/8 year plans etc at start of year and we were happy to see him give younger guys more responsibility pre bye so its disappointing he fell back on tried and failed strategies/positioning etc in back half of year just because he saw a finals berth as a possibility.
I hate Sam Mitchell as much as any Essendon supporter does but I cant help but look back at the last two years of us all laughing at them languishing at the bottom whilst he tried to instil his style. But he didnt blink, Scott blinked.

I'd also add that the key difference with Mitchell is that he had a clear idea of how he wanted a team to play and prioritised selection for that purpose. Scott has done the opposite, which is the same thing that every other Essendon coach has done, which is why we have not advanced during his Scott's 2 years in charge, he's let the pieces determine the style. I don't think he has blinked so much as he has responded to being stuck between a style of play tailored for a deeply flawed team and squad and the realisation that it won't work.

It's the reason I've said all along that he has squandered the opportunity he had and why history says he will likely be a failure. As at least 1 premiership coach learned the hard way, you can't be the same voice asking the players to do things differently when you've been selling them on the need to do things in a certain way. You can build from the ground up and evolve, that is a different thing.