Mike Sheahans - Top 50 players of 2012

[Plugger35]

The list no one rates yet can't stop talking about.

Yeah I don't know why people bother getting worked up over lists like these.

It's just one person's opinion and Sheahan's opinion isn't worth more than anyone else. Going by his Top 50s over the years he isn't any more knowledgeable than the average punter.

 

[Mateyman]

Note the A there, it was mentioned Franklin wasn't near the top how anyone would have him outside the top 3 is beyond me.

You could have him outside the top 3 due to the games he's missed

 

[Slattery_20]

According to the criteria and the judges, Denham was the best player at the bombers in 97.

He still wasn't the best player at the club, he was just the best player that got on the park.

 

[Mateyman]

Subjective comment. They're completely different players, in different positions and with equal importance to their team's structures. I'd suggest Franklin is probably more important to Hawthorn than Ablett is to GC, only because Ablett wills himself to contests that he doesn't need to go to and in some ways actually restricts the development of other players. If Ablett wasn't there the impact would be less than when Franklin is not in the Hawthorn forward line.

It's all opinion of course, but if you ask me which player I'd take of the 2, Franklin would be my answer.

Ablett could go forward as well. One of the reasons I rate him so highly. kicked 44 goals in 2010 playing most of his time as a mid but occasionally going forward.

 

[Maddhew]

He still wasn't the best player at the club, he was just the best player that got on the park.

???

Do you still not get it? Do you want Sheehan to name players that were injured all year? it is his top 50 of 2012 based on output for this year. You may be getting it confused with his pre-season list.

NUFFY

 

[8732watitdo]

We had at least 10 players with better seasons than Hurn- Cox, Gaff, Kerr, Shuey, S.Selwood, Priddis, Waters, Naitanui, Glass, Darling... so unless we have 1/3 of the remaining players in the list..

Yeah Hurn is good just not in the top 50 AFL players.

 

[benbanjo]

According to the criteria and the judges, Denham was the best player at the bombers in 97. I dont understand your argument.

At the beginning of the year Sheehan compiles a list of the top 50 players in the comp, based on where he thinks they will be rated at the end of the year based on output of that year.

At the end of the year Sheehan "corrects" this and list his top 50 based on that year's output.

FWIW i doubt R Shaw will make his list at the beginning of 2013. But for 2012 R Shaw was instrumental in setting up numerous goals from the defensive 50, which was the hallmark for our success.
It goes a little something like this:
Richards marks goal square, gives it to shaw, 3 running bounces, spots up Jetta in the centre square, Kennedy/Jack pushes forward, Jetta hits on him on the chest 35 out, Kennedy/Jack scores.

Richards was too busy getting his ass handed to him in the GF to be taking marks and handballing to Shaw

 

[Maddhew]

Rhyce had a great year and it was fantastic to see him do so well but for mine he still makes the same brain farts he did at Collingwood. He's borderline but I don't think he is composed enough to make the top 50.

at the risk of being hypocritical for using stats, his 78% disposal efficiency for the year would suggest otherwise

 

[Maddhew]

Richards was too busy getting his arse handed to him in the GF to be taking marks and handballing to Shaw

early on maybe, but not when the game counted, he was also playing on one leg against the best KPF in the comp.

And again, this is a list based on the whole of 2012, not just the GF

 

[Barnzy]

Joel Patful had a better year than Ivan Maric did he Mike?

Nice troll buddy.

 

[Slattery_20]

???

Do you still not get it? Do you want Sheehan to name players that were injured all year? it is his top 50 of 2012 based on output for this year. You may be getting it confused with his pre-season list.

NUFFY

No, I want him to name guys who are genuinely quality footballers, rather than the best side's role players.
We are talkign best 50 in the comp here - for every Shaw that gets in then it means a properly good player misses out.

Rhyce is more than handy, but he's not exactly top-notch, even on this season.

 

[benbanjo]

early on maybe, but not when the game counted, he was also playing on one leg against the best KPF in the comp.

And again, this is a list based on the whole of 2012, not just the GF

Dont worry i know Richards is Quality and was injured but he got his ass handed to him all day

 

[liam_13]

If you follow football by reading the Herald Sun and BigFooty then Cloke should be outside the 50
If you watch football then Cloke is inside the 50

The "Cloke is shit" campaign is about selling newspapers. He is one of the few gun power key forwards in the league. The Contested Mark stat does not get the credit it deserves. We dump the ball on his head, often being double teamed, and he marks it more than anyone else in the league. And he kicked 59 goals (Sheehan's list is not just regular season based).

Don't get me wrong, I know it is fun to dump shit on Collingwood, but if you are being honest and you think Cloke is not top 50, I think you really need to think about what you are basing that on

I'm basing it on the fact that while he played some very good games, he played some absolute shit ones, and I think there are 50 players who (probably) had the same number of very good games and less absolute shit ones.

From memory, 2nd game vs Eagles, final vs Eagles, only game vs North, only game vs Adelaide were terrible. Looking back at stats (games I watched at the time, but had to rejig my memory) he wasn't flash in his 2nd game vs Hawthorn, and 1st game vs Carlton.

He was also average in about 4-5 games, serviceable/good in about 6-7 and very good/standout in 5 games-which included vs GWS, vs Essendon when they had gone to shit, but he also kicked a bag (5? 6?) in a final which lifts his standing a bit.

So I think being less than average performance in half the games does not get you into a top 50, and I reckon I watched 16-17 Collingwood games this year (2 of which I rated as standout - GWS and Port games)

 

[King Elvis]

God hes a moron, i don't know how the guy has a media job. Hes more one eyed then Eddie.
Rielly, Talia and Sloane all good player no doubt, but top 50 give me a bloody break.
Rielly is better then Boyd, Glass, Jack, Lewis, Deledio, Griffen, Judd, Mcveigh, Shaw......... lol yea right.
Talia apparently better then all of them as well excluding Boyd and Glass.
And Sloane the superior player to Griffin, Judd, Mcveigh, Shaw, Selwood.

Open the other eye you dimwit.
Oh and they're all better then Sandilands apparently.

Talia would be in the top 50.
Reilly I don't agree with, but he's had a good season.

Sloane - Judd has had a crap year, Selwood clearly better; the rest would be around the mark.

But it's Roo, what do you expect?

You've always hated him anyway Wiz.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Will be very upset of Joel Selwood makes the top 10. Have a feeling he will though.

 

[Josh Wineduck]

Joel Patful had a better year than Ivan Maric did he Mike?

Nice troll buddy.

How many Brisbane games did you watch this year?

 

[Last Line Hero]

Good on you for throwing out the old stat book. I'm guessing you didn't watch any of his games.

So you're going to try and argue that a player who puts up those figures didn't have a good year? What a genius.

 

[LongBomb]

Will be very upset of Joel Selwood makes the top 10. Have a feeling he will though.

Good.

 

[Wizard]

Talia would be in the top 50.
Reilly I don't agree with, but he's had a good season.

Sloane - Judd has had a crap year, Selwood clearly better; the rest would be around the mark.

But it's Roo, what do you expect?

You've always hated him anyway Wiz.

Only since he's been in the media mate, I did idolize the guy once upon a time.
He's the exact reason I think there is too many ex players & not enough football watchers in the media.
Got his job cos he was a gun not because he knows the players & teams.

 

[Johnny619]

So you're going to try and argue that a player who puts up those figures didn't have a good year? What a genius.

He was not a top 50 this year. A top 50 player doesn't bring their own supporters to jeer them week after week. A top 50 player does not play so terribly for so long.

 

[eaglespremiers]

I've started my count down over here for the year:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/top-50-2012.930241/page-39

But you can cheat by reading my week-by-week rankings.
Had Jetta at #47 as well and Riewoldt at #45.
Maric, Walker, Deledio and Swallow are all much lower on my top 50 (towards no. 1) as well.
It'll be interesting how this plays out compared to mine.

 

[Grockadoc]

I think Deledio should be at least in the 20's. However, I can understand Sheahan when he put Deledio where he is. At his running, carrying, line breaking best, Deledio would comfortably be in the top 15 players in the league. The fact is though, he doesn't do this enough, and just seems to cruise through games, and can go missing. However, if Deledio does what he does best and actually runs with the ball next season, and is played as a pure midfielder, I wouldn't be surprised if he breaks into Sheahan's EoS top 10, and might be a smoky for the Brownlow if he plays the game to his style.

 

[Hodge is God]

Kind of funny how Mitchell (who will most probably get a very high number here) can get in atleast the top 30 players and 2nd in the Brownlow but still can't get AA.

 

[TiggerMan22]

I think Deledio should be at least in the 20's. However, I can understand Sheahan when he put Deledio where he is. At his running, carrying, line breaking best, Deledio would comfortably be in the top 15 players in the league. The fact is though, he doesn't do this enough, and just seems to cruise through games, and can go missing. However, if Deledio does what he does best and actually runs with the ball next season, and is played as a pure midfielder, I wouldn't be surprised if he breaks into Sheahan's EoS top 10, and might be a smoky for the Brownlow if he plays the game to his style.

True. Deledio seems to be severely underrated my a lot of the football public. Maybe its because he has to play with the likes of Cotchin, Martin, Foley, Tuck. But his stats are elite. 1st for Inside 50's per game (an incredibly important stat), 11th for disposals, 10th for effective disposals, 11th for kicks, 1th for uncontested possessions, 11th for bounces but still he gets underrated. And those ranking are lower than they should because players that played finals would have jumped him.
Mike seriously can't think that Rioli had a better year than Deledio.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

If 4 possession ZERO goal Cyril can hit top 30 whilst Brett Deledio who averaged 28 touches a game this year can't, there's something already wrong with the list.

Is the list based on actual output, or who Mike loves most? Brad Sewell was a damn fine call though.