Opinion New AFC HQ: We're on like Donkey Kong!

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https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news...s/news-story/2701c1484a9f8cac042a63cc0fd5ce69 says that we are partnering with Pelligra to "co-ordinate plans to commercial/residential development for the site".
This could mean AFC get their offices and provide the Ovals as green space that takes up say 2 thirds of the site and Pelligra build up some shops and townhouses to make $'s with the rest.
Though there probably are multiple ways to how this partnership works.

 

[Deaneus!]

that is the minimum, not the maximum.

Hey, I’d suggest it’d also the *maximum*

 

[flashcrow]

the total space is 5.81ha , there is plenty of space for a 2.2 h/a oval. (or bigger if they call it open space and we essentially pay for the privilege of having it)

Because of the heritage listed structures, (I've shown them in red) there won't be space for anything bigger than Adelaide Oval dimensions, if we keep the orientation the same.

 

[Pick4To6]

Latest email from RSA

REGISTRATIONS OF INTEREST
Renewal SA, on behalf of the Government of South Australia, has the pleasure of seeking Registrations of Interest for the former Gasworks site at Bowden. This city-defining opportunity is being presented to the market by way of an open procurement process to ensure the best possible outcome for the land, the local area and the State.
Renewal SA strives to improve the lives of all South Australians by leading, supporting, and driving investment and growth through property and projects. We are committed to unlocking new opportunities for our State through partnerships with the private development and investment sectors, community and all levels of government and industry.
Our 6 Star Green Star, mixed-use development at Bowden reflects this commitment.
Since its inception, we have partnered with 15 local and national developers to deliver more than 850 homes in a walkable, master-planned community that has created a new benchmark for inner-city mixed-use precincts. We are proud of its status as a model for urban renewal and inner-city living for South Australia and beyond.
As part of our vision for Bowden, Renewal SA has a long-term vision to remediate and transform the 5.81-hectare* site of the former Gasworks – also known as the Bowden Heritage Precinct. We are now pleased to offer this exceptional opportunity to the open market to realise the long-term vision for a transformed heritage precinct.
This Registration of Interest is the first in a two-stage process that aims to ensure the vision of the project are achieved and clear benefits are delivered to the local community and the State. This includes a strong desire for the reuse of structures of heritage and cultural significance and see them incorporated into a wider, activated precinct.
At Renewal SA, our entire team is committed to working with a visionary development partner that shares our desire for an active and vibrant mixed-use precinct that blends heritage, sustainability and community in a way that is complementary to the Bowden redevelopment project, and activates a long-held part of the city that has never before been made accessible to the public.
Thank you for your interest in this important opportunity to change the face of our city and the local Bowden community.
Chris Menz
Chief Executive
Renewal SA
THE OPPORTUNITY
A city-defining opportunity now exists in Adelaide’s re-imagined inner west with the release-to-market of the former Brompton Gasworks site within the greater Bowden redevelopment project.
An open market tender process is being undertaken in two stages—a Registration of Interest followed by a Request for Proposal—to best determine how to develop this significant historic site as a thriving, vibrant part of the Bowden neighbourhood.
Proponents who are shortlisted through this initial Registration of Interest stage will be further invited to participate in a formal Request for Proposal process, at which point they will be required to deliver a draft master plan for the site that addresses in detail their proposed approach to site remediation and redevelopment.
Specifically, potential development partners are invited to consider how future development might incorporate the following:

• a combination of housing, retail outlets, commercial premises and recreational spaces that complement and strengthen the surrounding community
• the adaptive and sensitive re-use of the retained historic structures including (but not limited to) the State heritage-listed Retort House, the Retort House chimney and the Chief Street wall
• a minimum of 15% Affordable Housing (where residential development is undertaken)
• a minimum 5-Star Green Star rating for each new building and a 6-Star Green Star communities rating for the development as a whole
• at least 1.26 hectares of public open space
• meaningful engagement with the local community and other stakeholders throughout the planning, design and delivery of the project
• training and employment opportunities through the Renewal SA Works Program
• the creation of an Industry Participation Plan.

The Registration of Interest stage is now open, with submissions invited from the development sector via the SA Tenders and Contracts website (tender code: URA049630) until 2:00pm (ACST) on 2 September 2021.

All enquiries regarding the initial Registration of Interest process for the former Gasworks site should be addressed in writing to:
Ben Parkinson, Managing Director - South Australia
Jones Lang LaSalle
M: 0407 710 389
E: ben.parkinson@jll.com.au

Does this news make it harder or easier for the club to gain access to this area?

 

[flashcrow]

Does this news make it harder or easier for the club to gain access to this area?

Yes

 

[Pick4To6]

Yes

 

[mistylake]

Developers would be looking to get a return on it because their plan is to buy it, develop it, and then sell it, it's why they exist.

We wouldn't be getting a return on it, nor should we be looking to - we'd be planning to buy this site as an owner occupier, not as a flipper or an investor.

I guess we’re hoping for an enormous hand out from governments etc to fund this.

 

[NTRabbit]

I guess we’re hoping for an enormous hand out from governments etc to fund this.

The buy out money for leaving West Lakes early, a couple of federal and state government grants, and most likely a fairly sizable commercial loan.

 

[CrowMike]

The buy out money for leaving West Lakes early, a couple of federal and state government grants, and most likely a fairly sizable commercial loan.

And members rallying.

 

[Geoffa32]

Thebarton will be no good, South Rd is taking part of the site based on the released plans, and will be a construction site for 5-10 years

One construction site to another....

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[Geoffa32]

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Developers interested in acquiring the former Brompton gasworks site have been asked to set aside close to a quarter of the land as public open space, nearly double the typical requirement for major housing projects.
Renewal SA formally opened a tender process on Thursday, revealing a set of guiding principles likely to shape the future of the 5.81ha site.

Its vision is for a combination of housing, retail outlets, commercial premises and recreational spaces that “complement and strengthen the surrounding community”.OD

At least 1.26ha, or 22 per cent, of the site expected to be set aside for public open space such as parks, playgrounds and public plazas. That compares with the 12.5 per cent requirement set out under the state’s current planning rules for large subdivisions.

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From past experience that ratio is not viable for a commercial developer.

RSA have set the bar high


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[Cap]

Because of the heritage listed structures, (I've shown them in red) there won't be space for anything bigger than Adelaide Oval dimensions, if we keep the orientation the same.

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Looks tight, but I'm sure the club will be doing their DD.

Hopefully there is the option that heritage buildings are retained......just not in the same spot

 

[GrommoT]

Looks tight, but I'm sure the club will be doing their DD.

Hopefully there is the option that heritage buildings are retained......just not in the same spot

Yeah, wonder if heritage listing allows the big building to be relocated - probably horrendously expensive, though, to take it apart brick by brick and rebuild it nearby.

 

[Deaneus!]

without knowing RSA’s requirements for the earlier stages, I would suggest it’s much higher than I ever recall seeing or working on. I worked on a large project you’d have all heard of that was 15%, and my last company has a brand new 12.5% one that’s prominent… basically there’s no incentive to go over the % for anyone. I can see competition screaming blue murder - it’s a big hurdle - but RSA can dress it up anyway they want. If we get to call our training ovals open space, we are laughing

but yes RSA requirements for earlier stages are the real giveaway

Now that i think about it maybe not - they may have always wanted this stage to be high

 

[BronCrow]

Yeah, wonder if heritage listing allows the big building to be relocated - probably horrendously expensive, though, to take it apart brick by brick and rebuild it nearby.

Sounds like it would be similar to what they are doing with the Urrbrae Gatehouse for the reconfiguration of the Cross Road Fullarton Intersection.

 

[GrommoT]

Sounds like it would be similar to what they are doing with the Urrbrae Gatehouse for the reconfiguration of the Cross Road Fullarton Intersection.

Brompton's a lot bigger than the Urrbrae building though, and the SA Gov would probably be paying for the Urrbrae shift if it happens.

 

[relapse]

Now that i think about it maybe not - they may have always wanted this stage to be high

Maybe it's a deliberate plan to make the site less attractive to other tenders.

If so, it wouldn't be the first time that Olsen has used his clout within the Liberal Party to call in a favour.

 

[1970crow]

The buy out money for leaving West Lakes early, a couple of federal and state government grants, and most likely a fairly sizable commercial loan.

Is the fabled buy out money a real thing though. SANFL own that site and lease to us, any early exit clause would benefit them. I doubt our agreement would include flowthrough of their benefit.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Is the fabled buy out money a real thing though. SANFL own that site and lease to us, any early exit clause would benefit them. I doubt our agreement would include flowthrough of their benefit.

We have the lease until 2048. The payment is buying us out of the lease. It’s our money.

 

[1970crow]

We have the lease until 2048. The payment is buying us out of the lease. It’s our money.

No, the SANFL have the lease, we are subletting from them. It will be their lease being bought out by the developers and given our lease is a peppercorn lease, I cannot see why the SANFL would assign any buyout benefits to us.

 

[Anzacpaul]

Maybe it's a deliberate plan to make the site less attractive to other tenders.

If so, it wouldn't be the first time that Olsen has used his clout within the Liberal Party to call in a favour.

This is 100% what it is.

 

[StonesThrow]

I think you can sort those issues with various glazing options now days.

Nah. Even triple glazing, which costs a fortune, has half the thermal resistance of a minimum standard wall that has R2 batts in it. They will still be hot boxes without external shading.

 

[BronCrow]

Brompton's a lot bigger than the Urrbrae building though, and the SA Gov would probably be paying for the Urrbrae shift if it happens.

I take your point, it is a lot of money to spend in both cases. Not being familiar with that area, is the building at Brompton that is a heritage building actually nice though. A lot of buildings around that are heritage listed that shouldn't be.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

No, the SANFL have the lease, we are subletting from them. It will be their lease being bought out by the developers and given our lease is a peppercorn lease, I cannot see why the SANFL would assign any buyout benefits to us.

Peppercorn lease means nothing. We have the right to use the grounds. If C&G want to develop it they need to compensate us. SANFL won’t get a cent out of it.

 

[1970crow]

Peppercorn lease means nothing. We have the right to use the grounds. If C&G want to develop it they need to compensate us. SANFL won’t get a cent out of it.

we have no relationship with C&G. We have a lease with the SANFL and they won't be paying us a cent for early exit. This is rudimentary stuff.